Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases two 2015 videos of Crispus Attacks High School (Indianapolis, Indiana) cheerleaders from 1955-1956 singing a rendition of that school's cheerleader song entitled "The Crazy Song". I believe the song's performance by cheerleaders and its lyrics are precursors to African American originated fraternity sorority stepping chants, foot stomping cheers, and stomp & shake cheers.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, historical, and cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the composer of this song and thanks to the women who are featured in this video. Thanks also to the publisher of this video on YouTube.

Hat tip to Dan Robinson, the publisher of this 2016 Crispus Attucks cheerleading video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SpqF9kj7-4 for alerting me to "The Crazy Song" video.

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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
Example #1: Crispus Attucks Crazy Song



19nine, Published on Feb 25, 2015

Butler University honored the 1955 and 1956 Crispus Attucks basketball teams at Hinkle Fieldhouse on February 25, 2015. Their cheerleaders celebrated by singing the Crazy Song once again.
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Another slightly shorter YouTube video of this same rendition of "The Crazy Song" can be found on YouTube.

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Example #2: Attucks Crazy Song



Anthony Beverly, Published on Jan 31, 2015
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This January 2015 video of Attucks High School (Indianapolis, Indiana) cheerleaders singing "The Crazy Song" shows some younger cheerleaders dressed in uniforms are shown singing this song at a program (and not an actual athletic game) in an auditorium/gym. The cheerleaders sing while standing in place, shaking their hips a little bit, moving from one foot to another, and waving their arms to the song's beat.

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SONG LYRICS: THE CRAZY SONG
One woman- Stop
All others- Stop
One woman- Look
All others- Look
All – and take it slow
They can beat everybody
But they can’t beat us.

Hi-de hi-de hi-de-hi
Hi-di hi-di hi-de ho-o
Boh skip bop beat-um
That’s the crazy song.

We’re gonna pull them boys
Right over the line
But they never did mind
They were so far behind
Hi-de hi-de hi-de-hi
Hi-di hi-di hi-de ho-o
Boh skip bop beat-um
That’s the crazy song.
That’s the crazy song!
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Transcription by Azizi Powell. (Please correct any mistakes that I made in this transcription. Thanks!)

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S COMMENTS
As indicated above, I learned about Crispus Attucks High School cheerleader's "The Crazy Song" from Dana Robinson, the publisher of a 2016 stomp & shake video of Attucks High School cheerleaders. Dana Robinson's comment that mentions the 1950s Attucks High School cheerleader song entitled "The Crazy Song" was written in response to a previous comment exchange that we had about the current Attucks High School cheerleaders performing in a stomp & shake cheerleading style. Here's one of my comments from that stomp & shake video's discussion thread:

Azizi Powell, July 6, 2016
"Dana, the Facebook comments* about the Attucks cheerleaders were very interesting. I'm assuming from those comments that this stomp & shake style of cheerleading isn't common in Indianapolis.

Some commenters mentioned that this style is common in the South (I'm assuming that those commenters meant among a number of African American cheerleading squads in parts of the south. -Note One person on that Facebook thread from Miami wrote that this is the way cheerleaders cheer in that city. But I've read comments from people in Texas who were unfamiliar with this cheerleading style.) ....

* https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155193197523914&id=347221378913

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Here's Dana Robinson's reply to that comment:
Dana Robinson, July 6, 2017
"Azizi Powell This style of cheerleading isn't very common in the USA. The Attucks cheerleaders from even the 1950's did some cheers like this. Look up "The Crazy Song" on YouTube. I think there is an interview of some of those cheerleaders singing it. The song was written by one of the students from Attucks back then.
As you mentioned, only the southeastern states mention cheering in this manner. It may stem from sorority /fraternity stepping but, it being that there is a history dating back to the 1950's of some form of this, I don't know. However, looking at some of the African styles of dance, I think it may have come out of those."
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I thanked Dana Robinson for sharing information about Attucks High School's "The Crazy Song" cheerleading song. I also wrote "With all due respect, I disagree that cheerleaders in the 1950s did cheers like what we now refer to as "stomp & shake cheerleading" unless you are referring to the self-bragging and opponent insulting elements of "The Crazy Song" and not to its performance style."

I mentioned to Dana Robinson that I had taken the liberty of transcribing "The Crazy Song" and I referred her to this pancocojams post for my additional thoughts about this song.

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THE POSSIBLE INFLUENCES OF GREEK LETTER ORGANIZATIONS' SINGING TRADITIONS ON THE COMPOSITION AND PERFORMANCE OF ATTUCKS HIGH SCHOOL'S 'THE CRAZY SONG"

The type of song:
Crispus Attucks High School's mid 1950s cheerleading song entitled "The Crazy Song" and the way that it is sung remind me more than anything of the singing traditions of historically White (University based) Greek letter fraternities and sororities*. Those singing traditions also influenced the past and present day singing customs of historically Black (university based) Greek letter fraternities and sororities.

Note: One widely known example of a PWI* (predominately White Institutions) fraternity song is "The Sweetheart Of Sigma Chi". Like BGLOs (Black Greek Letter Organizations), PWI have self-bragging and competitor organizations' insult chants. However, I'm not that familiar with the history of PWI songs/chants and therefore I don't know whether their songs also included/include competitor organization insults, and if so how long that content has been included in PWI songs.

*"PWI" (predominately White institutions) is an acronym that I've often seen online for historically White Greek letter fraternities and sororities, particularly in online discussions among members of historically BGLOs (Black Greek letter organizations)

The singing style
From the two different videos* that I watched of Attucks High School cheerleaders singing "The Crazy Song" it appears that the cheerleaders sung/sing that song while standing in place, clapping their own hands in accompaniment, and moving side to side or from one foot to another to the song's rhythm/beat. This singing style- and particularly the swaying back and forth while accompanying the singing with individual hand claps-is the same way that I recall seeing PWI fraternities and sororities sing their songs in the "quad" during their "Sing Outs" at the predominately White college that I attended in the mid 1960s. That said, one difference between the PWI fraternity and sorority "sings" that I recall and the second "The Crazy Song" video in which the cheerleaders sing at an actual game is that the cheerleaders appear to sometimes move their hips to the beat of that song, and moving one's hips wasn't something that PWI sororities (let alone fraternities) did. Also, moving one's hips was -and largely still is- considered anathema to many proponents of mainstream cheerleading.

It should also be noted that historically Black [university based] fraternity and sorority chanting and stepping evolved from those groups' singing while standing in place and also (perhaps later in the evolution of this performance art) while marching around the university campus.

*My guess is that the January 2015 video of the Attucks High School cheerleaders singing "The Crazy Song" during a program may have been done as a tribute to that school's 1950s cheerleaders and not a usual part of the contemporary cheer repertoire of that high school. The cheerleaders who were shown appeared to be standing relatively in place and (it seems mostly unsuccessfully) directing or encouraging people in attendance at the game to sing and/or clap along with them.

While an Attucks cheerleader in that second video at auditorium/gym program is shown moving from one foot to another to the beat of that "Crazy Song", that movement isn't the synchronized, metronome-like percussive, bass sounding stomps that characterized foot stomping cheers, not to mention that this movement activity isn't done in a group as is the case with foot stomping cheers.

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With regard to the subject of stomp & shake cheerleading, I agree with Dana Robinson that stomp & shake cheerleading movement performances were/are greatly influenced by BGLO stepping, and other African American/African/Caribbean dramatic elements such as pattin juba (rhythmically alternating hand clapping with knee or chest patting), and leaning forward in an aggressive stance toward your opponents. But I think the words of many stomp & shake cheers were/are more directly influenced by girls' self-bragging and opponent insulting foot stomping cheers. Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/05/an-overview-of-foot-stomping-cheers.html for a pancocojams post on foot stomping cheers.

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THOUGHTS ABOUT "THE CRAZY SONG"'S LYRICS
The Attucks High School (Indianapolis, Indiana) mid 1950s cheerleader song entitled "The Crazy Song" and most stomp & shake cheerleader cheers have different focuses. The cheerleaders singing "The Crazy Song" mildly* brag about their basketball sports team by mildly* putting down (insulting, dissing) the opponent's team. Also, unlike stomp & shake cheerleader cheers (and foot stomping cheers, and historically Black Greek letter organization stepping chants), even the title of "The Crazy Song" mildly self-deprecates the cheerleaders who are singing it (and/or their athletic team players).

In contrast, in many stomp & shake cheerleading cheers, the focus isn't on the athletic game being played or on the cheerleader's athletic team or their opponent's athletic team. Instead, in many stomp & shake cheers the focus is on the cheerleading squad and/or their opponent's cheerleading squad.

Furthermore, although the cheerleaders sing this song, they use the "voice" of the basketball (or football?) players: i.e. "We’re gonna pull them boys/Right over the line".

*These brags and insults are "mild" given in comparison with later self-bragging and insulting songs, chants, and cheers. Yet the very fact that this song includes self-brags and opponent insults distinguishes it from many mainstream cheerleader cheers of the 1950s, and aligns it closer to the African American originated chants and cheers that I've mentioned.

To clarify, I believe that stomp & shake cheerleading appears to have begun (in Virginia and North Carolina) in the early to mid 1970s or the early 1980s as the latest beginning date.

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Note also that the "hi di hi" chorus in this song is a form of scatting. The "hi di hi" vocalizations were popularized by Cab Calloway's 1934/1935 "Hi di Hi" song. Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-kJqM7he9o for a vintage film clip of that now classic Cab Calloway "hi Di Hi" song.

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THOUGHTS ABOUT 'THE CRAZY SONGS" STRUCTURE & TEMPO
I believe the video starts with one woman saying the word "Stop" and then everyone else saying the word "stop" and the same woman saying the word "look" and everyone else saying "look". If that's correct, then that brief call & response pattern may be significant in that a lot of contemporary cheers (including a lot of stomp & shake cheers) begin with a captain or lead caller starting the cheer and then the entire squad chanting and performing the cheers.

The song has a moderate tempo which isn't very percussive (using today's criteria). The women clap own hands to the beat and maintain that same beat throughout the entire song. This is similar to the metronome-like way that girls doing foot stomping cheers alternate (individual) hand claps with their own foot stomps. However, in this mid 1950s cheerleading song, the woman stay standing in place and sway back and forth while singing this song and there don’t appear to be any foot stomps.

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Any additional information and comments about this cheerleader song or cheerleader songs like it would be greatly appreciated.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases the 2017 Hip Hop dance video "Rolex" by Ayo & Teo and provides information about that song.

This post also documents the internet meme "This song makes me wanna ____" in the official YouTube discussion thread for that video.

This post also presents several explanations for "This song makes me wanna ___" comments, including my theories about the meanings of this meme with a focus on the "Rolex" song, if not other songs.

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The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to who are featured in this video and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publisher of this video on YouTube.

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE "ROLEX" SONG"
From http://djbooth.net/news/entry/2017-03-23-ayo-teo-rolex-the-next-viral-trend Introducing Ayo & Teo’s “Rolex,” the Latest Viral Trend Turned Hit Record, By Yoh, May 2017
..."There are currently over 30 million YouTube plays on Ayo & Teo’s “Rolex,” a single that first hit the web in mid-January and now sits at No. 34 on Billboard's Hot 100. I had no idea the song existed until yesterday, but after just one listen, my gut tells me this has the potential to be a huge smash this summer.

Rolex” benefits from familiarity, the single is cut from the same cloth as Rae Sremmurd’s most infectious trap anthems. It could easily fit on SremmLife 2 as a bonus song and listeners would be none the wiser...

With a similar sound and dynamic as Rae Sremmurd, “Rolex” is also filled with social media buzzwords―”dab of ranch,” “rollie,” “dat way”―taking some of Migos' most popular lingo and lyrics, a move reminiscent of Silentó using “Whip” and “Nae Nae” to make “Watch Me.” Taking elements from popular songs and crafting something equally as catchy and potent may be frowned upon in a creative sense, but kids are stitching together different characteristics and turning out hits....

Catchy, familiar and simplistic are reasons why “Rolex” has mass appeal, but the reason why it could truly explode is the #RolexChallenge. If you been paying attention to how social media works, challenges like this have the power to resurrect old hits and send bubbling singles to the top of charts....

What the challenges create are a sense of community for singles. Everyone wants to be a part of the discussion and a challenge brings the world into a moment―a catchy song attached to cute kids competing in dance can easily transcend into chart success. Imagine if Vine were still around, the duo would be dominating.”...

I won’t deem Ayo & Teo as artists of the future, but their single “Rolex” is slowly taking the internet and the charts by storm, and soon, could be worldwide. The summer is coming, and with the fire of “Bad And Boujee” slowly dying down, there’s room for a new anthem to take over its position.

Kanye said listen to the kids, and the kids are listening to Ayo & Teo."

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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Ayo & Teo - Rolex (Official Video)



AyoandTeoVEVO, Published on May 26, 2017
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Statistics as of 7/8/2017, 12:38 PM
Total # of views: 44,786,636 views
Likes: 650,328, dislikes: 37,123
Comments: 39,849

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INFORMATION ABOUT AND SUGGESTED MEANINGS FOR THE INTERNET MEME "THIS SONG MAKES ME WANNA_____"
I. Summary of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TotjpeBwtqw&t=181s'this song makes me wanna' comments explained [vlog] by Hosselaar9, published on YouTube on June 9, 2017

[Pancocojams Editor's Note: Given this pancocojams blog's policy regarding profanity & sexually explicit references, I've chosen to give this video's hyperlink and summarize this video, but not embed it in this post. My thanks to Hosselaar9 for his research and comments about this meme.]

In his YouTube video on this subject, Hosselaar9 noted that in 2004, before YouTube began, Google Trends documented a search for the sentence "This song makes me wanna something something". However, Hosselaar9 indicated that he couldn't find very very old examples of these comments, but that the internet meme that begins with that sentence didn't become popular until "very very recently". Hosselaar9 noted that most of the songs that he had whose discussion threads included this meme were rap songs, and specifically cited the song “Look at Me” by XXXTENTACION as one whose YouTube discussion thread contain examples of this meme.

Hosselaar9 also posted the text of a Reddit comment about the "This song makes me wanna ___" meme on the screen of his vlog. Here's that Reddit post [with profanity deleted as per the policy of this pancocojams blog]
(The Reddit commenter's name & date were given, but I couldn't decipher that text.)
“Just another little comment, meemee. Most of these comments are just to express how hype or good the song is. To the point that they’d do any dumbass thing because they’re so happy about the song or just hype in general. I usually see these comments on XXXTENTACION videos, where the music is loud and has a bunch of yelling. So people make jokes about getting as hyped and angry as the artist.

So hyped that they want to go to super salyan and [sexually explicit content deleted] or maybe the song is so good that it makes them want to beat their grandma or yell at their mom.

No real meaning or anything deeper than that, just a comment exaggerating how the song makes them feel or how it’s supposed to make them feel.”
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Hosselaar9 summarized that Reddit text by saying that the Reddit folks said that the commenters using that meme "liked the song so much that they would do anything for this song"....

However, Hosselaar9 shared the alternative explanation that "The comments could also mean that people are upset about the song and they want to do crazy sh&t* because they are so mad."...
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*This word was fully stated in this vlog.

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II.
From https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/6hdcv6/why_are_people_commenting_this_song_makes_me/
Why are people commenting ''this song makes me wanna.....'' on Mask Off?
submitted by zhivagoo June 15, 2017
"the comment section of Future's Mask Off is filled with people saying that the song makes them want to do some weird sh&t* like
this song makes me wanna drink pepsi in a coca-cola factory
This song makes me wanna open Google Chrome and download Internet Explorer.
this song makes me want to wake up my alarm clock"
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Pancocojams Editor's Note: This isn't the same Reddit discussion that was cited in Hasselaar9's vlog.

*This word is fully spelled out in that article.

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Twitter_Beef, June 15, 2017
"Its a meme based on what feeling a song evokes and what that song makes you want to do. A catchy fun song would make you want to dance. A hardcore and violent song might make you want to break sh&t*. Then is escalated into "This song makes me want to sell my car for gas money" or other absurd things."
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.

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anonymau5--June 17, 2017
"It might be a joke on how the hyped nature of the song may evoke you to feel badass and not want to follow the rules or expected conventional behavior. It's a joke on you feeling like a thug after hearing the song and wanting to be a rebel or assert your dominance."

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Dannyx3D, June 20, 2017
"there's also a LOT of them on songs by XXXTENTACION

Is there any particular reason as to why people are commeting [sic] this stuff?"

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III. My theories about the meanings of "This song makes me wanna ____" comments (with a focus on Hip Hop dance video "Rolex" by Ayo & Teo)

Note: I read most of the comments in the discussion thread for the official YouTube video of Ayo & Teo's "Rolex". My intention was to scan, if not read, all of the comments in that discussion thread, but was forced to stop when my computer wouldn't upload any more comment pages.

However, I didn't read the discussion threads of any other music videos in search of examples of this meme. But I did read this article about this meme: http://www.elevatormag.com/the-best-this-song-makes-me-wanna-youtube-comments-on-xxxtentacion-look-at-me-video/"THE BEST ‘THIS SONG MAKES ME WANNA’ YOUTUBE COMMENTS ON XXXTENTACION’S ‘LOOK AT ME’
‘This song makes me wanna’ comments have flooded xxxtentaction’s ‘look at me’ by Bryan Zawlocki, March 25, 2017

Some of these comments in the "Rolex" discussion thread were the same or similar to "This song makes me wanna ___" comments that were quoted in that article.

Here are my theories:
1. I believe that some "This song makes me wanna ____" comments in that "Rolex" discussion thread were posted as a witty way of expressing the commenters' disgust with and/or making fun of, and/or insulting" ("dissing", "throwing shade at") the singers/rappers or the dance song itself which the commenters considered to be a "joke", i.e. a "wacked", cringe worthy example of Rap music.

These comments use a pattern of blaming that song for making the person want to perform an action that is "crazy"- because they think that that song is crazy. That action could be socially unacceptable or taboo. Or that action could be the opposite of what people would normally expect. Or that action could be something that is impossible to do.

This theory about the "This song makes me wanna ___" meme somewhat fits the alternative meaning for that meme that was offered by Hosselaar9 - i.e. "The comments could also mean that people are upset about the song and they want to do crazy sh&t* because they are so mad."
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*Amended spelling is given for this word because of this blog's policy.

2. Once participants on that discussion thread were introduced to those comments, they took on a life of their own. A number of people posted examples of "This song makes me wanna ___" comments that were written in one of those patterns described above as part of that discussion thread's "running (ongoing) joke". As such, these witty jokes (or attempts as witty jokes) were/are largely removed from any real connection to the "Rolex" song. Instead, those "jokes" were posted as a form of word play with the hope that they would make other discussion participants laugh, and those commenters would receive "likes" from other discussion thread participants. And, in addition to those "likes", some discussion thread participants writing those "This song makes me wanna ___" comments may have hoped to receive compliments and approval from other commenters.

To some extent, some these "This song makes me wanna ___" comments remind me of the African American insult exchange known as "the dozens", "snapping" and other terms, although there's no actual exchange involved in these witty comments. And, to some extent these comments remind me of "throwing shade" competitions such as the ones that occur when "the library is open" in episodes of the television show RuPaul's Dray Race. These two cultural examples have a competitive element that I believe many of these online "This song makes me wanna ___" comments also have.

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SELECTED COMMENTS DISSING THE "ROLEX" SONG
From the official "Rolex" video discussion thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwk5OUII9Vc

July 2017
1.flamen skylar B
"what rap came to"

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2. Stringy Fingers
"PAC And BIGGIE is rollin' in their graves!"
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"Pac" (2Pac; Tupac Shakur), and Biggie (Biggie Smalls, The Notorious B.I.G.) are two very highly regarded Hip Hop stars. Both are now deceased.

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3. Eisha Kumar
"so catchy tho😍"

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4. Uros Kovac
"So this is what hip hop and rap came to be?

Someone connect 2Pac's body on some power generator.
'cus that man is spinning in his grave faster than a centrifuge.

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5. lukethedukegamin _
"was this english it was the worst rap in the world #ultimate"

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6. Logan Swenson
"it's a disgrace calling this trash rap"

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7. John Osterwoman
"I only got to know these guys verrrry recently and at first I couldn't understand the hype but now I f__k* with the wave. They speak to the kids. I saw a kid at church wearing the mask for God's sake. I looked at him and said "Ayo and Teo! :D" and he said "aweeeh". That was love, that was respect. They might not be for me but I get them, I get why they're loved. And I want to see them continue winning. I want them to sustain the success forever. Peace."
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment. I think that “f__ with the wave means = "to ride or to go along with the current wave".

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SELECTED EXAMPLES OF "THIS SONG MAKES ME WANNA ___" COMMENTS FROM A "ROLEX" VIDEO DISCUSSION THREAD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwk5OUII9Vc

This selected examples are given in chronological order with the oldest examples given first, except for responses. This compilation also includes selected comments about this meme and some responses to a few of these "This song makes me wanna ____" comments.

Numbers are assigned for referencing purposes only.

[Note: I didn't find any "This song makes me wanna ___" comments in this discussion thread that were dated May 2017.]

June 2017
1. Sexy Oompa Loompa
"This song makes me wanna eat water"

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2. Mikaail Khandhkar
"This song makes me wanna drink food"

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3. NJ forever
"Sexy Oompa Loompa U can't eat water but ok?"

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4. pla netsx
"wooow poor poor child smh"
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"smh" = "shake my head" (in exasperation, or disgust, or concern etc.)

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5. Sean Acheson
"Honey boo boo child your a 're 're that was the point"

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6. Void
"Honey boo boo child that joke just flew right over your head"

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7. The Potlex
"This song makes me want to watch the remote and use the tv to change the channel"

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8. Ella R
"This song makes me want to rob my own house."

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9. xÎNSÄNÈ -x
"That comment played out"
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"played out" = African American Vernacular English phrase meaning "something that has been used so much that it's been retired (it's no longer used)

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July 2017
10. win Eazy
"this song makes me wanna tell my mom to do chores"

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11. Jake Gerber
"this song makes me want to eat my chair and sit on the food"

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12. Mollie Chadbone
"Jake lol"

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13. Over_glowed10
"this song makes me want to blow out the cake and eat the candles"

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14. King Ryan
"This song makes me wanna play Xbox games on my PlayStation 4."

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15. Jay P
"King Ryan LMFAO 😂"

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16. Speaker Knockerzz
"this song makes me want to get suspended from home school"

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17. Tpin HCF
"Speaker Knockerzz nice comment, stealing it"

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18. fabian canavaro
"this song makes me want to breakup with my ex"

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19. Stewie 650
fabian canavaro ikr😂😂😂
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ikr= I know right. (In the context of that comment, "I know right" means something like "I totally agree with you.)

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20. fabian canavaro
"loool 😂😂"

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21. ET-DA-DESTROYER Lol
fabian canavaro same
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ET-DA-DESTROYER is saying that he and fabian canavaro share the same experience -broke up with their girlfriend

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22. fabian canavaro
"ET-DA-DESTROYER Lol i got you bro"
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This commenter is saying that can identify like a brother with and is supportive of ET-DA-DESTROYER since they both went through the same experience.

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23. Amauri Baggett
"fabian canavaro what do you not like the song"
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Neither fabian canavaro nor anyone else responded to this comment [as of this date].

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24. Angel Atkinson
"This song makes me wanna steal money from my own wallet"

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25. No Life Gaming
"This song makes me want to dry my hands with water"

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26. Angelplays ClashRoyale
"this song makes me wanna peel a banana and eat the peel"

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50
"why does this song make people want to do something ?"

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51. yummdiddy
"50 because the are unoriginal and are following a trend"

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52. MOTORAG 201
"This song makes me wanna study for a test after I take it"

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53. Lebasi Apodaca
"This song makes me want to go to Walmart and ask where Target is."

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54. Jacob The Panda1
"70% Of Comments Start With This Song Makes Me Want To"

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55. rowan_morse
"This song makes me want to eat my dogs homework"

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56. Deveckius Barclay
"This comment had me laughing"

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57. Joseph Bryce
"This song makes me wanna go to an Italian restaurant and ask for Chinese food"

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58. TheCuriousSloth
"This song makes me want to sit on the TV and watch the couch"

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59. chadg1313
"TheCuriousSloth Haha nice one"

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60. Muffy Pixel
"The comments made my day hahaha 😂 Thank you guys. Have a Great Day!"

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61. BecauseICan
"This song makes me want to go to a Wendy's and ask them for the directions to the nearest McDonald's."

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62. Γιάννης Μιχ
"99% of the comments
•This songs makes me...
•The tittle doesn't ever exist in video as a lyric
Well I am the 1% and I feel proud 😊😊😊"

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63. Harrison (edited)
"This song makes me want to tell my parents that they are adopted.


I didn't expect this comment to get so many likes. Lol"

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64. R!cky
"this song makes me wanna put on my teeth and brush my clothes"

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65. Minecraft Gamer
"R!cky Put on you're teeth and brush you're pants you mean"

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66. DuckyTheMemeLord1
"I don't get why everyone saying dumb things like the opposite uh mm why?"

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67. RileyWalker Vlogs
"This song makes me want to go to the Apple Store and ask for a Samsung"

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68. Lowryda Thraks
"This song makes me want to make a comment to fit in with the rest of these comments."

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69. Undyne
"There's no real way to "fit in with the rest of the comments." The comment section's just here so we all can express our opinions on YouTube.
It's just that (on this video) "reverse psychology" is a tactic to start a little running joke in this comment section. It's really your choice what you comment though."
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The bold font was used in original comment

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70. Lowryda Thraks
"It was a joke lol no need to write a paragraph."

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71. Zain Dan3 hours ago
"This song makes me want to name my cat
Dog"

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72. Geo80
"This song makes me want to order pizza from kfc"

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73. FREDRICK JOHNSON
"this song makes me wanna walk into class and ask my teacher to please sit down"

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74. Eros Ibrahimi
"This song make me study for the drug test"

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75. Natasha Green
"This song makes me wanna know why people keep saying this song makes me............"

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post provides definitions of and information about certain African American Vernacular English words from certain viral contemporary Hip Hop dance songs.

Most of the dances that are mentioned in this post have been used in video dance challenges. This post includes lyrics for the portions of these songs that are used for dance challenges, but doesn't include descriptions of or instructions for these dances.

The content of this post is presented for cultural, linguistic, and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and all those who are featured in these videos. Thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.

WARNING: Although these songs/dances are or were very popular with children and preteens, some of them contain profanity, the "n word", sexually explicit references, and other content that I believe is inappropriate for those populations.

Pancocojams posts on a number of the songs/dances that are mentioned in this post can be found by clicking on the "African American Hip Hop" tag or other tags that are given below in this post.

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(PARTIAL) ALPHABETICAL LISTING OF CONTEMPORARY AFRICAN AMERICAN HIP HOP DANCE VERNACULAR WORDS (with a video example)

BOUJEE
Entry #1:
From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bougie
"bougie
In urban pop culture, the word bourgeoisie is shortened to "bougie." The word is often used by working class African Americans who accuse more successful black people of selling out.

Uncle Phil from the Fresh Prince, is so bougie!
#bougie#money#american#power#class"
by KLCW December 06, 2008

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Entry #2
From http://www.refinery29.com/2017/01/135407/migos-bad-boujee-meaning What It Actually Means To Be "Bad & Boujee", SESALI BOWEN. JANUARY 9, 2017
...“Also stylized as bougie, the word ["bougee] is derived from “bourgeois,” an elite demographic defined by a need for luxury and material items. Bougie is true to that definition in a lot of ways. Black bougie folks often pride themselves on going to the best schools and only engaging in activities associated with affluence and elegance. In the most simplistic terms, bougie is the material opposite of “ghetto.”

What makes Migos' song so magical is its insistence on embracing a “bougie” that relies on the group's already assumed exclusion from the world of the bourgeoisie. With their Atlanta dialects and multi-color locs, Migos isn't exactly a fixture at the posh country club.

But the guys practice refinement in other ways.

In the music video, you’ll notice that the “Bad and Boujee” girls don’t smile or dance. They take selfies and drink champagne with their microwaveable ramen. This is the paradox that Migos has built its entire brand on. The lure of a girl that’s “Bad and Boujee” is exclusivity. When a woman is unavailable to the advances of men, unfriendly, and generally unapproachable, she can be labeled bougie. Her standards, unrealistic or not, signify that the members of Migos themselves are insiders in the world of luxury, even as they remain true to their humbler roots. Boujee is about both affluence and attitude. Even their alternate spelling is a demand to define luxe [sic] on their own terms. I will forever love them for that."...
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In the context of Migos'"Bad & Boujee" song, "bad" has the African American Vernacular English meaning of "very good".

WARNING: This song/video contains a great deal of profanity and also includes "the n word".

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DAB
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dab_(dance) [retrieved July 9, 2017]
Dabbing, or the dab, is a simple dance move or playful gesture, in which a person drops their head into the bent crook of a slanted arm, while raising the opposite arm in a parallel direction but out straight. The move looks similar to someone sneezing into the "inside" of the elbow.[1][2]....

Origins
The dab has its origins in the Atlanta hip-hop scene, but there was initially disagreement about who originated the dance.[4]....

Popularity
In 2015, the dab rose to national prominence in the United States. As XXL magazine reported in August 2015, "What started as a regional down South adlib is quickly becoming a masterful maneuver in clubs and on street corners. It’s called dabbin’."....

The dab gained popularity in U.S. sports following an eight-second celebratory dab by Cam Newton, football quarterback for the Carolina Panthers of the National Football League, during a game against the Tennessee Titans on November 15, 2015.[10][11] According to a Sports Illustrated account of the incident, "[w]hen two Titans players confronted [Newton] about the celebration, he continued to dance in their faces, even as he backed away."[1] ....
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WARNING: Migos'"Dab" song includes a lot of profanity.

Here are partial lyrics from iHeartMemphis' song "Lean And Dab".
From http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/iheartmemphis/leananddabb.html
"Lean and dab, lean and dab
Lean and dab, lean and dab
Lean and dab, lean and dab
Lean and dab, lean and dab
[2x]

Wake up in the morning then I dab
Had to pull up on the block 'cause today I get to whip
And you know my top drop and my car's name is nae-nae
Had to hit the Quan 'cause today is a good day"...
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These lyrics include references to some other viral Hip Hop dance songs that are discussed in this post.

"Lean" refers to do a leaning back movement.

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DAB OF RANCH
Pancocojams Editor:
"Dab of Ranch" is a referent in Migos' song "Rolex". With regard to that song, "dab of ranch" probably refers to However, the earliest meaning of that phrase as it was used by the Hip Hop group Migos was "a small amount of ranch dressing". The second meaning of "dab" is "diamonds on the face of a Rolex watch or another expensive watch". This meaning is a play on the vernacular meaning of "dab" that is given above. When they dance to "Rolex", people do the "dab" movement on the line "a dab of ranch".

Here's a portion of the lyrics for the "Dab Of Ranch" song:

"Get your rap snacks with a dab of ranch
With a dab of ranch
With a dab of ranch
We can make it happen
Get your rap snacks
We can make it snappin'"

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Here's some information about "dab of ranch"
Entry #1:
From http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/1186756-What-does-Dab-of-Ranch-mean
05-29-2017, 11:03 AM #1
ban1o,
"What does Dab of Ranch mean
MY 14 year old brother is obsessed with this song that goes "All I want is a rollie rollie rollie with a dab of ranch" Is he saying? that wrong What does that mean?
Last edited by ban1o; 05-29-2017 at 12:02 PM.

05-29-2017, 11:07 AM #2
cmc1974
Re: What does Dab of Ranch mean
A small amount of ranch dressing?

05-29-2017, 11:19 AM #6
BRUHWHOCARES
Re: What does Dab of Ranch mean
it was a jingle made on accident by Migos while they were promoting their rap snacks

06-01-2017, 08:51 PM #14
Kim Possible
Re: What does Dab of Ranch mean
A Rolex with diamonds in the face"

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Entry #2:
From http://www.complex.com/music/2016/11/watch-migos-rap-snacks-sour-cream-with-dab-of-ranch-jingle"This Migos Rap Jingle for Rap Snacks Is Amazing" by Jessie Morris, NOV 30, 2016
"Migos might have just created the greatest jingle for Rap Snacks.

The rap trio are the face of the potato chip brand's latest flavor, Sour Cream With a Dab of Ranch, and decided to pay tribute to their favorite snack by spitting bars about its deliciousness. The video opens up with Takeoff showing off the chips before Quavo pops into the frame and to rap about their chips' flavor on beat with the music playing in the background. "With a dab of ranch, with a dab of ranch we can make it happen/Ooh, ooh, get ya Rap Snacks, aye, they make it snappin."

Rap Snacks were created back in 1994 when they were dubbed "The Official Snack of Hip Hop." The snacks were sold in convenience stores and always featured both known and up and coming rappers with a cartoon version of the rapper on the front and a biography about the artist on the back of the package.

Migos' flavor is one of three new flavors the snack brand launched this year including Fetty Wap's Honey Jalapeno and Romeo Miller, who is also a part-owner of the company, Bar-B-Quin With My Honey flavor.

Chance the Rapper's Kit-Kat jingle may no longer be the best hip-hop snack song out there anymore. Watch Migos dab for some ranch above and pick up some Rap Snacks Sour Cream With a Dab of Ranch at a trap store near you. You can also read up on the history of Rap Snacks right here. http://rapsnacks.net/
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The word "trap" here refers to "Trap music". Click http://runthetrap.com/what-is-trap-music/ for information about the trap music genre.

This "jingle" was later made into its own song. Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtavNowBjHY for a video of this song. That song only contains one instance of the mild curse word "damn".

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"HIT THE [DANCE NAME]"
In the context of contemporary African American Hip Hop dance songs, "hit the" means "do the ___ (dance).

Another word that is used in contemporary African American Vernacular English in the same way as "Hit the [dance name] is "Drop the [dance name].

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HIT THE QUAN
[This entry is quoted from this earlier pancocojams post: https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/08/what-hit-quan-really-means.html
""Hit The Quan" is a Hip Hop dance/song. The song was written and performed by @iHeartMemphis as a tribute to the Flex ("Walk Thru") dance that Atlanta, Georgia Hip Hop artist Rich Homie Quan is known to perform during his shows.

The command to "hit the quan" means "Do the dance that was popularized by rapper Rich Homie Quan."

Rich Homie Quan's birth name is Dequantes Lamar. The word "Quan" in the song "Hit The Quan" refers to that rapper's dance. I don't know whether "Quan" is a nickname that that rapper had before he adopted "Rich Homie Quan" as his stagename. However, it seems likely that "Quan" could be a nickname for "Dequantes" and/or for other names that begin or end with the element "quan" such as "Daquan" and "Quantrell"."...
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Here's the portion of "Hit The Quan" that is usually used for dance challenges:
"Hit the Quan, hit the Quan, hit the Quan, hit the Quan
I said get down low and swing your arm
I said get down low and hit the Quan
I'm finna show you how to
Hit the Quan, hit the Quan, hit the Quan, hit the Quan
I said get down low and swing your arm
I said get down low and hit the Quan"
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"Finna" is a (usually Southern) African American term that means "getting ready to". "Finna" comes from the pronunciation "fixing to".

"Get down low" means to dance somewhat low to the floor.
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WARNING: The complete "Hit The Quan" song contains profanity and the four letter form of the n word. The shortened form of this song that is featured in dance challenges doesn't include that content.

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JUJU ON THE BEAT
In the context of this Hip Hop record, I believe that there are two possible definitions for the term "juju on the beat":

1. "Juju on the beat" means to do a certain Hip Hop dance move (or do certain Hip Hop dance moves) on the beat (to the record's beat)

I'm not sure whether there's any firm agreement on what dance move or moves are called "the juju" (or "juju on the beat").

Just as there's a specific dance that is done when the rapper says "Do the Running Man" - there may be a specific dance move or series of dance moves that dancers are supposed to do when the rapper says "juju on the beat".

2. Juju on the beat means to "be or act "turnt up" (i.e. to really give something all you’ve got, to go “all in”, to really go all out, to really get down, to "go wild" with just a few or with no inhibitions).

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Comments about Definition #1 & Definition #2:
[These comments were written by me for this earlier pancocojams post: https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/10/what-does-juju-on-that-beat-and-tm.html
"From watching a number of those videos and from reading many of the comments in those video's discussion threads, it seems to me that many of the dancers who post challenge dance videos for "Juju On The Beat (TZ Anthem) base their dance moves on those performed by the Fresh The Clown duo*. But those dancers and others still tend to substitute their own pantomime and dance moves for some of those that the Fresh The Clown duo perform. In the beginning of the routine for the command" (call to) "juju on the beat", the duo leaned forward and then leaned back while moving their shoulders up and down to the beat.

However, Zay Hilfiger's comment (given in Excerpt #3 below) indicates that he "started saying “JuJu” in 2014. Also read my transcription of Zay Hilfiger's response to television host Kelly Ripa's question "What does Juju On The Beat mean?". Zay said that ["juju on the beat" is] "my arch ego. It’s like I’m the height... turned up...I don’t care." That transcription is found after the video given as Example #5.

I believe those comments support the second definition that is given in this post for the term "juju on the beat". However, I think that this is an earlier meaning that Zay Hilfiger had for "juju" and not most often used definition for that word in the context of that Hip Hop record.
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If Fresh The Clown's video actually is the prototype for "juju on the beat" routines, the way that dance move appears to be performed isn't the say way that Zay Hilfiger, the primary creator of this record, performed it in a video that he published on YouTube on August 15, 2016. That video shows him and a female friend performing a dance routine to his record.
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My guess is that "TZ Anthem" means two Z's ("Zay Hilfiger and Zayion McCall)'s anthem. Or "t" might stand for "the" Z's (Zay and Zayion) anthem. **
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Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M42JK7WQRsM for a video of Fresh The Clowns dancing to "Juju On The Beat".
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Here's the portion of "Juju On The Beat" that is usually used for that record's dance challenges:
[Verse 1: Zay Hilfiger]
"Walked in this party
And these girls lookin' at me
Skinny jeans on and you know my hair nappy
Hey, hey, hey
Okay, okay
I want y'all do it, do this dance now

[Hook: Zay Hilfiger]
JuJu on the beat
JuJu on that beat
JuJu on that, JuJu on that, JuJu on that beat
Now slide, drop
Hit dem folks, don't stop, aye
Don't stop, aye
Don't stop, aye
Running man on that beat, aye
Running man on that beat, aye
Running man on that beat, aye
Running man on that beat
Now do your dance, do your dance, do your dance, aye"
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"Nappy" means hair that many Black people have that isn't straightened by heat or chemicals. Its use in this song documents the fact that more African Americans are wearing their hair in natural hairstyles.

"Running man" is a late 1980s old school Hip Hop dance that is sometimes still done now, usually for playful, nostalgic purposes. Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_man_(dance) for information about "The Running Man" dance.

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NAE NAE
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nae_Nae*
"The Nae Nae is a hip-hop dance...[that] typically follows another move called "The Whip."

The Atlanta hip hop group We Are Toonz is credited for inventing the phrase with their hit song "Drop That NaeNae" in 2013.[3][4][5] The dance was based on a character from the 1990s sitcom Martin.[3][4] In the series, Martin Lawrence cross-dressed to play Sheneneh Jenkins, an exaggerated, sassy “ghetto girl”.[6] The group member CalLamar stated in an interview with Billboard, “It’s really just based on a ratchet girl in the club dancing kind of funny and the best girl to describe it is Sheneneh from Martin.”[3][4][5] In one interview, Martin Lawrence stated he was “flattered” by the dance.[7]

Throughout 2014, the song achieved widespread popularity on social media such as Vine, Twitter, Instagram and YouTube.[3][5] It has also been performed as a celebratory dance at collegiate and professional sporting events.[3][8]"...

In 2015, American rapper Silentó released his debut single "Watch Me (Whip/Nae Nae)" which also included the Nae Nae along with other dance moves, appearing in viral videos and mainstream media.[6][9]...
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This article includes descriptions of these dances that may not be accurate.
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Here's an often quoted portion of Silento's "Watch Me" song:
From http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/silento/watchmewhipnaenae.html
..."Now watch me whip (Kill it!)
Watch me nae nae (Okay!)
Now watch me whip whip
Watch me nae nae (Can you do it?)

Now watch me"....
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That song also mentions three more African American originated dance moves the "stanky legs", the bop", and break your legs"
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Read the entry about the dance called "the Whip" below.

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ROLLIE
From https://genius.com/Migos-dab-of-ranch-lyrics
Asked by Fʀıeᴅ Chıcκeɴ, May 2017
"What does "Rollie" mean?

Rollie is slang for a Rolex, a watch brand from Switzerland associated with wealth due to its steep price point and status"
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The portion of the "Rolex" song that is used for dance challenges is
[Chorus: Teo]
"I just want a Rollie, Rollie, Rollie with a dab of ranch
I already got some designer to hold up my pants
I just want some ice on my wrist so I look better when I dance
Have you lookin' at it, put you in a trance"
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The line "I got some designer" probably means a designer brand belt.

"ice on my wrist" means diamonds on the face of the Rolex watch. This is the second meaning that was given to the phrase "with a dab of ranch".

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WHIP
[These quotes are included in this previous pancocojams post:https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/07/silentos-watch-me-whip-nae-nae-other.html]

SLANG MEANING FOR THE WORD "WHIP" (in the dance "Watch me (Whip/Nae Nae)
From http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Whip
"Whip
When the steering wheel was first put into use in automobiles, it was called the "whip". The whip is what you used to control the horses on a stagecoach, hence the analogy. Many years later, various hip hop artists noticed that the Mercedes-Benz logo resembled a steering wheel. They then proceeded to use the old term "whip" to describe any Mercedes-Benz vehicle. The term has now been generalized to classify any expensive automobile.
The new show "Unique Whips" on SpikeTV is obviously going to suck."
by dieselaj February 04, 2005

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"whip
A whip has simply come to represent a car. It has been said that it was used a long time ago when a whip would be used to steer the horse-drawn carriages. It is used in hip-hop fashion, and it has come represent any car not neccesarily a really nice car.
"Yo, you want scoop me to scoop you up, I gotta whip"
#whip #whips #car #wip #wipe"
by kyle ramba October 20, 2006

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From http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the%20whip
"The Whip
the term "whip" is referred to as a dance. The motion consists of lifting the knee opposite which ever arm you are using, then dropping it and moving you arm straight like you are driving a car. this dance move is associated closely with the nae nae and the song "Watch Me (Whip/Nae Nae)
Can you do the whip

Yes! Watch me Whip *Ayyyee* Now watch me nae nae.
#dance #car #popular #nae nae #whipping""
by haysmith March 18, 2015"

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Revised July 13, 2017 5:04 PM

This pancocojams post presents definitions, comments, and examples of the use of the American English originated words "ayee" ("ayy") and similarly spelled words, with a focus on the possible African American origin of or expanded usages of these words.

In this post I largely separate the word "ayye" (also given as "ayy" and other similarly spelled words) from the phrase/meme "ayy lmao". For example, the word "ayee" appears to be pronounced differently than the word "ayy" in "ayy lmao": "ayye" is pronounced like an elongated letter "a" and "ayy" (in ayy lmao" is pronounced like the English letter "i" (and the English word "eye"). However, the Addendum of this post provides some information and comments about the viral internet meme "ayy lmao", with particular focus on the "tyrone ayy lmao" meme.

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/07/similarities-differences-between-yoruba.html for the
Pancocojams post: Similarities & Differences Between The Yoruba Word "Aiye" ("Aye") And The American Word "Ayee"

A pancocojams post on the Yoruba (Brazil) term "aiye" will be published ASAP and their links added to this post.

Although the Yoruba word "Aiye" ("Aye") are spelled similarly to the English word "ayee" (ayy") etc., its pronunciation is different and it has different meanings than that English word.

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PARTIAL SUMMARY OF A BEHIND THE MEME YOUTUBE VIDEO ABOUT "AYEE" ("AYY" AND SIMILARLY SPELLED WORDS)
Behind The Meme published this YouTube video about the internet meme "ayy lmao" which provides a summary of the internet use of the word "ayy" (without the added acronym "lmao": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLIRmXS8JNA&t=108s What does ayy lmao mean? The meaning and origin of the ayyy lmao alien memes (published October 2016).

1:15 - Behind The Meme directs viewers to urbandictionary.com for meanings for "ayy!". He cited two meanings for that word stating that it could be "a friendly type of greeting or used to express anger. – it all depends on the type of tone that you use."

Here are two time stamped quotes from that video:
1:29 - "Ayy! is heavily used in urban culture and is believed to have evolved from the word “Hey” (The on screen spelling of this word is “Heyyy!”)

1:34 - "This type of informal, laid back greeting is also associated with marijuana culture. Because of this the aliens have been depicted smoking joints."

1:47 - The remainder of the video focuses on why ayy lmao is associated with depictions of aliens.

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SELECTED URBAN DICTIONARY.COM ENTRIES ABOUT "AYEE"
Here are two urbandictionary.com entries for the word "ayee":
(given chronological order)

From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ayeee
1. "ayeee
word meaning hey or whats up.
ayeee brahh whats with u!
#a#aye#ay#ayee#brahh#bra#bit
by Kara a.k.a Karebear January 07, 2009

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From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ayy
2. "Ayy
"Ayy" is an expression of greeting, most likely coming from the word "hey". It is mostly used in ghetto culture, or by people high on marijuana, and can also be used as an insult or mockery.
Ayy, Tyrone, grab me the remote will 'ya?

Ayy, Irvin, haven't seen you in a while!"...
by TheChudeDude June 06, 2016
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This entry undoubtedly was the definition that Behind The Meme referred to in his video.

The adjective form of the word "ghetto" is usually considered very negative. I therefore take exception to its use as a synonym for Black (African American) culture. Furthermore, that definition doesn't specify which populations of Black people use "ayee" although the gif that was shown on Behind the Meme's screen while he gave this statement was that of a young adult (probably) African American man and woman dancing in a Hip Hop style. To that end, I believe that it's likely that "ayee" is mostly used on the internet and elsewhere by African Americans teens and young adults who are interested in Hip Hop cultures.

As to Behind The Meme's statement that the word "ayee" is also associated with marijuana culture, I don't think that there's enough informal research or any formal research to support that statement.

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Here are two urbandictionary entries for "ayee" that give another meaning for that word besides the "friendly greeting" and "an expresion of anger" that Behind The Meme mentions in his video:
From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ayee
1. "ayee
When someone who is very popular walks into a room at school or at a party ayee means Heyyy look justins here.
*Walks in the room*
(bunch of people) Ayeeeee Ayeeeeeee *claps*
#ayee#xthar#party#hey#clapps"
by Xtharr December 12, 2006

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2. "ayee
is another word for yeaaa.but in a happyer cooler way...mostly used when something sexuall was said
tim: omg i went to the club and i got me 2 sexys
mike: ayeee
#yay#day#lay#say#slay"
by rubencito March 09, 2008
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I believe that these two examples convey the same "express excitement and/or approval" meaning for "ayee" as the examples that are given below from African American centered YouTube discussion threads.

It's possible that African Americans also use that word as a greeting or to express anger as Behind The Meme indicated. However, I've not found any examples of those meanings on African American centered YouTube discussion threads.

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Here's one urbandictionary.com entry for "ayy lmao":
From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ayy+lmao&page=2
"ayy lmao
A phrase that began on Tumblr as a caption for any picture of an extraterrestrial, ostensibly because that is the only thing an extraterrestrial ever says. Since its Tumblr beginnings it has come to be used when referencing any unattractive female, particularly one so hideous as to resemble an extraterrestrial herself.
Rupert: Did you see the girl I was with last night?
Dave: Ayy lmao!
Rupert: Dude, she wasn't that ugly."
#ayy lmao #ugly #alien #extraterrestrial #tumblr
by Levontaun February 11, 2015
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The word "that" in the example given above was given in italics.

In the phrase "ayy lmao" the word "ayy" appears to usually be pronounced like the English word “eye” and not the English letter “a” elongated (stretched out). The "lmao" ("laughing my ass off") internet acronym has more than one pronunciation.

Read the Addendum below for more information about and an example of "ayy lmao".

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MY THEORIES ABOUT THE SOURCES FOR THE WORD "AYEE" ("AYY")
I have three theories about the source for and the meanings of "ayee" ("ayy") and similarly spelled words.

These theories are presented according to which one I think is the most likely, with the first theory being the most likely. However, I also believe that theory #1 and theory #2 could both be true and it's also possible that all three of these theories are true.

All of these theories presupposes that the word "Ayee" ("ayy") and "ayy lmao") originated in the United States.

1. "Ayee" ("aay") has its source in "A", one of the contemporary nicknames for Atlanta, Georgia that is used by some residents of Atlanta, including by some African American residents of that city.

Here's information about Atlanta's nickname from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicknames_of_Atlanta">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicknames_of_Atlanta
"Since [the first nicknames for Atlanta, Georgia were documented in 1859] , the city has known numerous nicknames. Today, The ATL, and The A are the most prevalent.

Contemporary nicknames of Atlanta include, in alphabetical order:

The A/da A: It is used in local media such as Only in the A, a video channel shown on MARTA rapid transit trains in Atlanta[2] and Straight from the A, a popular[3] Atlanta-based blog targeted at African Americans.[4] "The A" or "da A" is also used in hip hop and rap songs such as Ludacris and Lloyd's "How We Do It (in da A)", Lil Scrappy's "The A", and T.I.'s "In da A". Atlanta newspaper Creative Loafing listed as one of its "reasons to love Atlanta" that it's "the only city easily identified by just one letter".[5]

The Atlanta nickname "A" is sometimes written in an elongated form. Since that nickname and the social media word "aay" are pronounced the same, it's sometimes difficult to determine if those elongated examples are Atlanta's "A" nickname or the contemporary use of the word "ayee" ("ayy"). For instance, read #3 and #7 in the "Examples of Atlanta's "A" Nickname" section below.

A-Town[6]

The ATL,[7] for its airport code”...
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I'm not sure when "A" was first used as a nickname for Atlanta, Georgia. However, a YouTube commenter indicates that he remembers T. I.'s In Da A” "back in 2002"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMk-SvdA0VA posted by Jamie Green, 2013

Examples of the use of the nickname "A" for Atlanta are given below.

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2. "Ayee" ("ayy") is an adapted spelling and pronunciation of the word "Hey" ("Heyy"). However, "Hey!" doesn't always mean an informal greeting. Instead, that word can be used to convey excitement.

From http://www.dictionary.com/browse/hey
"interjection
1.
(used as an exclamation to call attention or to express pleasure, surprise, bewilderment, etc.)

2.
Informal. hello: used as a greeting."
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I'm particularly interested in the portion of definition #1 that refers to expressing pleasure.

Read the section below entitled "What "Ayee" means in African American Centered Discussion Threads" etc.

[Update: Added July 13, 2017 8:48 PM]
It just occurs to me that if "ayee" came from the word "Hey!", there would be examples of "Hey!" (or elongated forms of "Hey!" such as "Heyyyy" in online social media threads, as well as examples of the word "Hey!" being use outside the internet the same way that "Aaaaaa" is being documented. However, I don't believe those kind of examples or enough of those examples exist.

The more I think about it, I'm inclined to think that the word "hey" as a source for the word "ayee" is an example of fake etymology. Just because "hey" (or "heyyyy" sounds like "ayee" doesn't mean that "ayee" came from the word "hey".
-end of update-

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3. "Ayee" ("aay") is an adaptation of the "aaaaay" word that became the signature of the fictional character Fonz in the 1974-1984 American television show Happy Days. According to a 2011 Daily News article the Fonz's use of "aaaaay" could mean anything. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2048553/Unhappy-days-Fonz-star-reveals-created-catchphrase-cover-battle-undiagnosed-dyslexia.html"Unhappy days: Fonz star reveals he created 'aaaaay' catchphrase to cover up misery of undiagnosed dyslexia" By Lucy Buckland, 13 October 2011

Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB464cs8m0g for a television clip of Fonz saying "aay".

Note that there's no documentation that the thumbs up gesture or any other gesture necessarily accompanies the contemporary use of the word "aay".

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WHAT "AYEE" ('AYY") MEANS IN AFRICAN AMERICAN CENTERED DISCUSSION THREADS (and probably elsewhere)
Given the theory that I gave as #2 above, I believe that the social media word "ayee" ("ayy") is often an expression of excitement and approval.

Given that definition, depending on the context, synonyms for "ayee" are "Yeah!", "Yah!", "Whoopee!", and "That's great!" or, to use African American Vernacular English terms, depending on its context, some synonyms for "ayee" ("Aaaaa!") are "Get it!, "Work it!", "Do it!" (i.e. compliments and encouragement for something that was said or done, or someone who did/is doing something). Read comment #2 in this post's discussion thread for more on these meanings.

In addition, examples of "ayee" on African American centered discussion threads (and probably elsewhere) may also be expressions of hilarity. For instance, read comment #6 in the Examples From African American Centered Discussion Threads below.

There may be examples of "ayee" ("aay") that are used as greetings or that express anger as Behind the meme indicated in his video on "aay lmao". However, notice how the word "ayye" ("aay") in the examples that are given below appear to express excitement and/or approval rather than being used as greetings or expressing anger.

I've refrained from using the term "exclamation" to refer to what I've found appears to be African American uses of the word "ayee" ("ayy") because I'm not sure that that word is always used as an exclamation.

Behind the meme wrote this viral social word as "aay!". However, most of the examples of that word which are given in this post, the word "aay" (or similarly spelled words) aren't followed by an exclamation point. That doesn't mean that those words don't convey excitement. The reason for the lack of an exclamation point may be because punctuation points are seldom used by young people in social media. Notice how many of the comments below are "run on" sentences that don't include capitol letters at the beginning of a sentence and don't include periods at the end.

Notice how most of the examples of these words are elongated by spelling the word with additional vowels and/or additional letters toward the end of the word.

That internet custom is discussed in this quote from https://www.quora.com/What-does-someone-mean-when-they-say-heyyy-instead-of-hey-on-IM
Akiko Kasagawa, Mar 1, 2012
"In my experience, adding multiples of a final letter is either a) a sign someone is drunk or high or b) excited!! Example:
Intoxicated: heyyyy whats upp :)
Excited (a crush texts you "hi"): heyyy!!

In my circle of friends, its just a phonetic way of extending the last sound of a word ((could also be hiii heeeey or whats uuuup)) for emphasis."
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In internet social media, if a word is elongated and/or if it is written with capitol letters, the feeling that word conveys is increased. Therefore, to social media writers, that style of writing may take the place of exclamation points.

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EXAMPLES OF ATLANTA'S NICKNAME "A"
The examples in this section are given in no particular order and are numbered regardless of their source for referencing purposes only

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMk-SvdA0VA
T.I.- In Da A; Uploaded on Dec 18, 2007

1. Jay Dee, 2010
"Whatchaknowbout that!!! Southwest...East Point to be exact!!!
Remind me of spring/summer in the "A"...everybody out on the weekend living it up. Damn I miss GA..."

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2. D.J. Williams, 2010
"some of these places ain't da A. They're in the metro area."

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3. Money Dollars, 2010
"ay homes i need to get dis song from u i been lookin fo dis bit forever"
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"ay" may be a shortened form of "ayy" (or "ayee") or "ay" could be the "A" nickname for Atlanta.

"Homes" here is probably a shortened form of the referent "homie" (a person from your neighborhood or city")
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4. Jay Dab, 2013
"this was a str8 classic... i miss this... Tha real A fa show"

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5. Opal Wilson, 2016
"In Da AAAAAAA"

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From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi0eupHOp2g
Lloyd ft. Ludacris - How We Do It In The A - Lyrics *HD* , Published on Aug 27, 2010
''How We Do It (In the A)'... released on August 5th, 2008.

6.mike jones, 2010
"When u in da A... da king rep da city hard, since day 1 !! ... n still does to this day
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When you're in the A, the king represents this city hard, (and has) since day one... and still does to this day."

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7. Shanxta, 2016
“aaaaaaaaa”
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This may refer to Atlanta or may be the vocalization “aYy”.

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EXAMPLES OF "AYEE" ("AYY" OR OTHER SPELLINGS OF THAT WORD) FROM AFRICAN AMERICAN CENTERED YOUTUBE VIDEOS
Disclaimer: This title isn't meant to convey or imply that every person who comments on a YouTube African American culture discussion thread is African American. However, it's likely that the majority of commenters on those discussion threads are Black, as indicated by their comments and often by their accompanying photographs.

The examples in this section are given in no particular order and are numbered regardless of their source for referencing purposes only. Brief explanatory comments are given for some of these examples.

From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMk-SvdA0VA T.I.- In Da A; Uploaded on Dec 18, 2007

1. We Were Once Kings, 2015
"Reppin Zone 4/ Campbellton Rd, Oakland City to Ben Hill hooee" aaayyee memories"

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From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_IdEjJIbn4
Sh*t Atlanta People Say Published on Jan 24, 2012
Howard University GA Club
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This is the way this title is given on YouTube. The video was published by Howard University's (located in Washington, D.C.) Georgia club (whose members are Howard students from the state of Georgia).

Howard University is a Historically Black College & University (HBCU).

Warning: This video's discussion thread contains language that I believe is inappropriate for children.

2. Cira Whitehead, 2016
"ayyyyeeeee he got the wolfpack pants. #woodland high"
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"wolfpack" is the mascot for Woodland High School. an Atlanta, Georgia area high school.

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3. Keitra Robinson, 2013
"Ayeeee! I see y'all taped this at FAMU doe that's what's up!"
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...I see you video taped this at the Florida Historically Black College & University that is known as FAMU. though. That's what's up. (That's great!).

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From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IskSOSc0Wg Atlanta Lingo Challenge (Compilation) | @HoodEdition
Hood Edition 2, Published on Mar 20, 2016
4. Brittany Humphrey, 2017
"Ayeeee mannnn 🤘🏾😂 I love my city"

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From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfZ1z36fYfs
Sh*t Atlanta People Say Part 2, Published on Jan 31, 2012

Warning: This video's discussion thread contains language that I believe is inappropriate for children.
5. RK4LTV, 2014
"Ayyyyyy Bend Over #RK4L Ain't know Trading"
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"Bend Over" is the title of one of the songs that is featured as background music in this video. I don't know what the rest of that comment means.

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6. cheleski68, 2013
"AAAAAAAAA team natural!!
crazy!"
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"AAAAAAA" in this comment is an expression of hilarity.

“Team natural” is what one young man wearing a messed up, obvious wig in this purposely comedic video. The man was wearing a recognizable wig. Note: Men don't usually wear wigs. "Team natural" means a hypothetical club whose members are all Black people who wear their hair in natural styles. After the man in the video said "Team natural", he paused and said "Wait, is a lace front natural?". "Lace front" wigs are certain type of wigs. A number of people commented about how funny these comments were (using African American Vernacular English such as [writing the comments and then using the hashtag "dead" after it- meaning the comment made them "die laughing"]. Those comments are funny in part because of how the man looked, but also because no lace front wig, or any wig for that matter are naturals [hairstyles].

*KeAysha Triplett, 2011
"Wait, is a lacefront natural?
#DEAD"

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From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mbArIgGYrA
HOUSTON SLANG VS. MEMPHIS SLANG | COLLAB, Published on Apr 9, 2017
7.kallme paris, 2017
"ayyy live asf"
Reply 1
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This example is given to document the widely found letter phrase "af" as f--k" to refer to a superlative (something that is very very good) or something that is essential. I wonder if this is the same as saying that the thing being referred to is "the nitty gritty" or the pure essence of something.
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"Live" here is also a high compliment, and means something which is "alive" and full of energy.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=live
"live
Jumping, full of people, exciting. Something was very enjoyable
That rave was live
The place was live
by bL@Z3N 0m3G@ April 30, 2003

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ADDENDUM - INFORMATION ABOUT THE MEME "AYY LMAO"
The viral meme "ayy lmao" is a later extension of the "ayye" word. Here's information about that meme from
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ayy-lmao
"About
“Ayy LMAO” is an expression and Tumblr hashtag which is almost always associated with pictures of aliens.

Origin
The image of the alien has circulated the web since as early as November 2012, appearing on a number of Portuguese and Spanish-language paranormal sites including Tempo Espaço[1], El Gurú[2] and El Rincon Paranormal.[3] Though it is unclear where the photo was first posted, it was referenced on Twitter on March 31st, 2013 in a conversation between two users."...
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The "ayy" in "ayy lmao" is usually pronounced like the English word "eye" while "ayye" or "aay" appears to always be pronounced like an elongated English letter "a". And although it's not pertinent to this post, the familiar internet acronym "Lmao" (laughing my ass off" has different pronunciation - each letter may be pronounced separately or "lmao" may be pronounced as a complete word (which is usually given its Portuguese meaning of "lemon".)

Tyrone (or Big Man Tyrone) is one form of the "ayy lmao" meme. Although "Tyrone" has been labeled as an "African American" personal name, the Black man wearing a suit in these "ayy lmao" videos has a non-English (Portuguese?) accent. Here's a 2015 example of a Tyrone ayy lmao video:

tyrone ayy lmao.wmv



Atom032 Published on Oct 19, 2015

big man tyrone attempts alien contact with over-used meme

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This pancocojams post provides definitions of the traditional Yoruba word "Aiye".

This post also showcases the official video of Nigerian Afrobeat singer Davido's 2014 record entitled "Aye" which is an adapted form of the traditional Yoruba word "Aiye".

The chorus of that song which includes the word "Aye" is given in this post along with selected comments from that video's discussion thread.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/10/davido-aye-nigerian-afro-beat-video.html for a 2014 pancocojams post on Davido's song Aye that includes this same video, the complete lyrics for that song, explanations of some of Nigerian pidgin English or Yoruba words and phrases that are found in that song, and other comments from this video's discussion thread.

I've found the YouTube discussion thread of Davido's video "Aye" tp be rich in information and interesting comments. I plan to publish additional posts on comments from that discussion threads and will add the links to those posts in other Davido "Aye" posts.

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The content of this post is presented for cultural, folkloric, linguistics, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

I'm particularly interested in documenting the similarities and differences between that word and the contemporary American originated English word "ayee" (also spelled "ayy" and other similar spellings.)

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Davido for his musical legacy. Thanks also to al those associated with this featured video and all those who are quoted in this post. In addition, thanks to the YouTube publisher of this video.
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A pancocojams post on the use of the Yoruba term "Aiye" in Brazil will be published ASAP and that video link will be included here.

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INFORMATION ABOUT DAVIDO AND THE SONG "AYE"
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davido
"David Adedeji Adeleke (born November 21, 1992),[1][2] better known by his stage name Davido, is an American-born Nigerian recording artist, performer and record producer...

Born in Atlanta, Georgia, Davido relocated to Lagos at a young age. His debut album Omo Baba Olowo, released in 2012....

On February 2, 2014, Davido released "Aye" as the fourth single from the upcoming album. The song was produced by T Spice.[46] The music video for "Aye" was released on February 7, 2014, and was directed by Clarence Peters. According to the music video's synopsis, "Davido plays a poor farmer who falls in love with the prince’s love interest.”...

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DIFFERENCES IN MEANINGS AND PRONUNCIATION FOR SIMILARLY SPELLED YORUBA WORD "AYE" ("AIYE") AND THE AMERICAN ENGLISH ORIGINATED WORDS "AYEE" ("AYY" AND SIMILARLY SPELLED WORDS)
Given my theory* that the American originated word "ayee" ("ayy") that is currently relatively widely used on social media may have its source in an adapted form of the nickname "A" for Atlanta, Georgia, it's remarkable that Nigerian Afrobeat star Davido who had a hit song entitled "Aye" was born in Atlanta and lived there for a short time. However, I think that is a coincidence.

Both the American English term "ayee" and the word "ayy" in "ayy lmao" (an extension of the social media use of "ayee") have different meanings than the Yoruba word "Aiye" (also given as "Aye"). Furthermore, both of those American originated words are pronounced differently than the traditional Yoruba word "Aiye" and its contemporary adaptation "Aye". (Read below.)

That said, I wonder if any of the comments which included the word "Aye" in the discussion thread for Davido's song "Aye" were influenced by the way that the American English word "Aye" is used in online social media and elsewhere.
For example, both of those words are often elongated (for instance "Ayeeeee!"), but, unlike American discussion centered threads, that word is sometimes found at the end of sentences in Davido's video's discussion thread.

*Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/07/theories-about-african-american-uses-if.html for a pancocojams post about the English words "Ayee" ("Ayy" and similarly spelled words).

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PRONUNCIATIONS:
The Yoruba word "Aiye" and its contemporary form "Aye" appear to be pronounced ah-yeh (with the "yeh" pronounced like the English word "yeah".

In contrast, the contemporary American English originated word "ayye" (also given as "ayy", "aaaaa", and other similarly spelled words) is pronounced like an elongated English letter "a". But the word "ayy" in the contemporary phrase/meme "ayy lmao" appears to usually be pronounced like the English letter "i" (and the English word "eye") and the letters for the internet acronym "lmao" ("laughing my ass off") may be pronounced separately or "lmao" may be pronounced like the Portuguese word that translates to the word "lemon" in English.

The Yoruba word "Aiye" (and its contemporary form "Aye") and the American English words "ayee" ("ayy" and similar spellings) demonstrates the fact that words from different languages that are spelled the same or similarly may have completely different pronunciations and completely different meanings. That said, there's no way to know how each commenter in online discussion threads actually pronounced these words. For that reason, people familiar with the American English originated word "ayee" might pronounce the Yoruba word "Aye" the same way that they pronounce the American English word "ayee".

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THE MEANINGS OF THE YORUBA WORD "AIYE" ("AYE")
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ-_HIoEBE8
Jewel Love, 2016
"What does Aye mean?"

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Reply
Tayo Awoniyi, 2016
"It means Mother earth in Yoruba. Though he has misspelled it. It should be spelt Aiye."

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From https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.brazil/shYXj3B59mw

Pancocojams Editor:
These comments are from a page for a 1996- 2015 Google group discussion on the meaning of "ile aye". I'm quoting in its entirety for folkloric purposes (except for some quotes of preceding comments and some commenters names that include email addresses).

I've numbered these comments for referencing purposes only.

1. tobod, 9/4/96
"The Yoruba invocation "ile aye" is often used in Brazilian songs I have heard. Can anyone out there offer me an insight on exactly what it means? Why is it so significant?"

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2. Ayodele Ayetigbo , 9/5/96
"Ile Aye, by its Yoruba literary translation, means the house of the world. Yoruba people of Nigeria, Benin, Sierra-Leone and other countries along the coast of West Africa believe that Aye (world) is one kind of a giant market hall where each human visits to hawk or practise what he believes. At the end of this market activities, Yoruba religion says all humans then return to our original home - heaven (orun) to give account. It is thus said in Yoruba:"

Aye loja, orun ni'le

This means in English: The world is a market while heaven is home. We are all visitors to the world and must at the end return home.

Ile in Yoruba = house
Aye = the world

Ayetigbo - my last name, for a quintessence, means the world has heard. Yoruba believe there is literary and spiritual meanings to names and words. That Ayetigbo, as a character, practises a profession such as communication is therefore not surprising to a Yoruba scholar. The Yoruba carry no social security numbers or cards as practised here in the US. Your name tells all about you.

Ile Aye is significant to us cos that's the only playhouse we can grasp as living beings. The other world, that is, heaven - the real home - is way beyond our physical comprehension This can only be felt or imagined in dreams and other ritualistic engagements. The intrigues, lies, dysinformation, misinformation, thievery, slavery, racism, ethnocentrism and all other bad stuffs humans engage in while on earth, as in a market place, makes "Ile aye" all the more so significant to the followers of Yoruba religion. Yoruba as a religion is being practised in Brazil, Cuba, the US and other parts of the world where people trace their ancestry to the Yoruba of West Africa.
Enough and I hope I have been helpful."

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3. Adey™ , 9/6/96
“Hello,
"Ile Aye" simply means--This World!!"

Peace bro,
Adey”

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4. Steve Enzer, 9/12/96
Ayodele Ayetigbo wrote:
"Ile Aye, by its Yoruba literary translation, means the > house of the world. Yoruba people of Nigeria, Benin,
Sierra-Leone and other countries along the coast of West (lots of good info. deleted)

"Not to try to contradict someone who obviously has much more information on the topic than this gringo does, I would just pass on that I do have a CD with a Clara Nunes recording of a song called Ilu Aye, which may or
may not be the same Yoruba phrase, translated (as the title of the song) as "Terra da Vida" - or "Land of Life."

I don't know how that fits in with the rest of the discussion, but I wanted to pass it on.

The recording, by the way, is the MPB disk from the series "Brasil: A Century Of Song" on Blue Jackel (sic) records, which is a great compilation if you happen to see it around. Picked it up last night and I've already played it 3 times... que saudades do Brasil!!!

Steve Enzer
Cambridge

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5. Akua Ofeibea Abotare
9/24/96

[regarding Steve Enzer's comment]

"makes perfect sense that the brazilian singer would use a phrase like "ile aye" in her record. Many of the captives brought here the African continent were Yoruba. (some say the Yorubas are the most represented African culture in the New World, and that most African descended peoples here in the West are of Yoruba origin or have Yoruba roots. I'm not an expert, I just pass it on). Mostly in Cuban, but there were some Yorubas in Brazil as well. Many of the African influenced religions of the "New world" are of Yoruba origin or have
very complimentary components to the Yoruba cosmogony. These included Santaria of Cuba, and Condomble of Brazil. Brazil seeoms [sic] to have a very large Congo population as well. hope it helps.

Akua"

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6. ruben.l...[email address deleted], 10/10/13
“I am of Spanish origin living in the US but have lived in Brazil for many years and attended carnivals in Rio, Salvador, Canoa Quebrada, Recife, Aracati, Paracuru, Fortaleza, etc... I am a big fan of Axe Bahia and understand perfectly your question.

All explanations here are correct, however they are too technical and don't answer your question: "why in music". Today in Brazilian pop culture "Ile Aye" means "big party (festa) where everyone (the world if you like) participates and everybody is welcome". Like a carnival of life.

So, when, for example, you hear "ile aye", "foi for amor ao ile" or "estava atras do ile" in songs from Daniela Mercury, the meaning is something like "big party", "it was becaused I loved to party" and "i was looking for a big party", in same sense as we use "fiesta" in Spanish or like a big "spring break party" in US culture.

Hope I answered your question."

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7. thesmal...[email address deleted
3/19/15
"I am surprised to see that no one has mentioned that Ile Aiye is a samba afro/samba reggae group based out of Bahia. they go way back, and many if not most of their songs use the term in the lyrics. Check it; http://www.ileaiyeoficial.com/

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8. ipenko...[email address deleted] 8/1/15
"Ile aye means; The World"

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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Aye - Davido (Official Music Video)



DMW HQ, Published on Feb 7, 2014

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PARTIAL LYRICS FOR DAVIDO'S SONG "AYE" (CHORUS)
[Chorus:]
Aa yeee
(Alelelele)
Aaa yeee
Cause you want my love o
Aa yee
(Oya shekele mama)
Aaa yee
Cause you want my love o
She no want designer
She no want Ferarri
She say na my love o
You belong to meee
And I belong to her o
babyyy
You go killie somebody
They say love is blind
but I dey see am for your eyes o
Aa for your eyes o
They say love is blind
but I dey see am for your eyes o o o o
for your eyes o

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM DAVIDO'S AYE (OFFICIAL VIDEO) THAT INCLUDE THE WORD "AYE" OR SIMILARLY SPELLED WORDS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ-_HIoEBE8

These comments are given in chronological order, with the exception of responses, with the oldest comments given first. I've assigned numbers for referencing purposes only.

These are all of the comments with the word "Aye" that I was able to read in that video's discussion thread*. Some of these comments clearly refer to the title of Davido's song. However, the meaning of the elongated form of the word "Aye" and especially those words that are followed by are exclamation points are less clear. Are those comments praising that song (or the earth orisa)?

*After multiple page uploads, my computer stopped loading comment pages. Consequently, I wasn't able to read all of the comments on this discussion thread.

The word "Aiye" wasn't included in any comment that I was able to read.

2016


1. Siham Somali
"nobody listens to this song like I do aye 😂👏"

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2. Abel First-Quao
"'Nobody can love you, Lakadu!
Nobody can touch you, Lakadu!'

And so, Lakadu was forever alone. Aye!
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This comment is part of a running (ongoing) joke that was first posted in 2015 and includes a number of commenters. The joke is that in the song Davido sings "No one can love you like I do". However, he speaks English with a very thick Yoruba accent, and English speakers might think that the words "like I do" were a (made up, non-existent) African name "Lakadu".

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3. kstarBAM
"Dancing to this in my room alone in USA! It's spectacular! Ayyyyyyeeeeeee!!!"

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4. Joy Osas
"wow still in love with this track aye eeeeee"

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5. Christian Byiringiro
"good aye"

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6. Adeiza Ozigi
"Aye!!! So African. So Nigerian! 2016!"

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2017
7. Belinda Antoine
"lovelygirl2u I am from Haiti too. I do love that song. there's something in it that makes me dance like crazy. ayeeeee ayeeeee"

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8. Vincypearl
"Ayeeeeee, Ayeeeeee 💃"

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Aye by David... a masterpiece🐩

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post provides information about Brazil's Axé music and Bahia, Brazil's renown Ilê Aiyê Band.

Information about the meaning of the phrase "ilê aiyê is also included in this post.

In addition, this post showcases three YouTube examples of Ilê Aiyê along with selected comments from those videos.

The content of this post is presented for cultural, folkloric, linguistic, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to for their musical legacy and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these examples on YouTube.

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INFORMATION ABOUT AXE MUSIC
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ax%C3%A9_(music)
"Axé.... is a popular music genre originated in Salvador, Bahia, Brazil in the 1980s, fusing different Afro-Caribbean genres, such as marcha, reggae, and calypso. It also includes influences of Brazilian music such as frevo, forró and carixada. The word Axé comes from the Yoruba term às̩e̩, meaning “soul, light, spirit or good vibrations”.[1][2] Axé is also present in the Candomblé religion, as “the imagined spiritual power and energy bestowed upon practitioners by the pantheon of orixás”.[1]

Roots and History of Axé
Numerous different African cultures were brought to Brazil due to slavery, which lead to the creation of the vibrancy and complexity of Brazil and its culture. Therefore, several of Brazil’s popular music styles have derived from African cultures and African diasporic influences, including samba, lambada, funk and axé. There is a tendency by Brazilian musicians to draw inspiration and utilize themes, imagery and symbolic symbols from the Candomblé religion and its African roots.[1] Artists such as Gilberto Gil, Vinicius de Moraes, Caetano Veloso, Sergio Mendes, Daniela Mercury, Carlinhos Brown, among others, have all used African culture, religion and symbols as inspirations and lyrics of their songs.[1]

Axé was a fusion of African and Caribbean styles such as merengue, salsa and reggae, as well as being influenced by other Afro-Brazilian musical styles such as frevo and forró. Axé music was labeled in 1980s, but it was already noticeable in the 50s with the incorporation of the “guitarra baiana” (guitar from Bahia).[3] This genre was purely instrumental, and remained so until the 1970s, when Moraes Moreira (of the band Novos Baianos) went solo.

In 1974, carnival in Salvador, Bahia began taking shape. A group of Afro-Brazilians civil rights activists formed Ilê Aiyê, a music ensemble that derived their heavy rhythm from Candomblé’s religious ceremonies. Quickly, Ilê Aiyê gained a huge following, allowing them to influence other artists to incorporate the samba-reggae style and the heavy beats to their music.[3] Groups such as Timbalada, Olodum and Filhos de Gandhi also shared the heavy beats and rhythms with Ilê Aiyê, as well as utilizing African symbols such as typical outfits and instruments that all these bands use to perform. Olodum's rehearsals soon became a starting point for up and coming artists, composers, and music. In these rehearsals, artists presented and experimented with their music, in search for legitimacy from the population.[4]"...

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INFORMATION ABOUT BRAZIL'S ILE AIYE BAND
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il%C3%AA_Aiy%C3%AA
The Afro-Brazilian group Ilê Aiyê was founded in 1974 by Antônio Carlos “Vovô” and Apolônio de Jesus in the neighborhood of Liberdade, the largest black population area of Salvador, Bahia, Brazil. The expression stems from Yoruba language (ilê - home; aiyê - life) from may also be interpreted as 'eternal heaven'.
Ilê Aiyê works to raise the consciousness of the Bahian black community. Persecuted by the police and the media during its first years, and still controversial for only allowing blacks to parade with the group, Ilê Aiyê is a renowned element of Bahia’s carnival. The group pioneered the type of carnival group known as the bloco afro, featuring themes from global black cultures and history, and celebrating the aesthetic beauty of black people. All other blocos afros borrow elements originally created by Ilê Aiyê, including such groups founded shortly afterwards, such as Olodum and Malê Debalê.[1]

During Bahian carnival, the group includes hundreds of musicians, dozens of dancers, and thousands of members. They traditionally begin their procession on the Saturday night of Carnaval at the home of the Dos Santos family, where for many years Mãe Hilda de Jitolu, the mother of co-founder Vovô presided as spiritual mother to the group and formal leader of a candomblé. As Ilê Aiyê passes, carnival crowds sing along by the thousands to songs about the importance of African and Afro-Brazilian culture and religion."...

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WHAT ILE AIYE MEANS
From https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.brazil/shYXj3B59mw
Ayodele Ayetigbo , 9/5/96
"Ile Aye, by its Yoruba literary translation, means the house of the world. Yoruba people of Nigeria, Benin, Sierra-Leone and other countries along the coast of West Africa believe that Aye (world) is one kind of a giant market hall where each human visits to hawk or practise what he believes. At the end of this market activities, Yoruba religion says all humans then return to our original home - heaven (orun) to give account. It is thus said in Yoruba:"

Aye loja, orun ni'le

This means in English: The world is a market while heaven is home. We are all visitors to the world and must at the end return home.

Ile in Yoruba = house
Aye = the world

Ayetigbo - my last name, for a quintessence, means the world has heard. Yoruba believe there is literary and spiritual meanings to names and words. That Ayetigbo, as a character, practises a profession such as communication is therefore not surprising to a Yoruba scholar. The Yoruba carry no social security numbers or cards as practised here in the US. Your name tells all about you.

Ile Aye is significant to us cos that's the only playhouse we can grasp as living beings. The other world, that is, heaven - the real home - is way beyond our physical comprehension This can only be felt or imagined in dreams and other ritualistic engagements. The intrigues, lies, dysinformation, misinformation, thievery, slavery, racism, ethnocentrism and all other bad stuffs humans engage in while on earth, as in a market place, makes "Ile aye" all the more so significant to the followers of Yoruba religion. Yoruba as a religion is being practised in Brazil, Cuba, the US and other parts of the world where people trace their ancestry to the Yoruba of West Africa.
Enough and I hope I have been helpful."

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Steve Enzer, 9/12/96
..."Not to try to contradict someone who obviously has much more information on the topic than this gringo does, I would just pass on that I do have a CD with a Clara Nunes recording of a song called Ilu Aye, which may or
may not be the same Yoruba phrase, translated (as the title of the song) as "Terra da Vida" - or "Land of Life."

I don't know how that fits in with the rest of the discussion, but I wanted to pass it on.

The recording, by the way, is the MPB disk from the series "Brasil: A Century Of Song" on Blue Jackel (sic) records, which is a great compilation if you happen to see it around. Picked it up last night and I've already played it 3 times... que saudades do Brasil!!!

Steve Enzer
Cambridge
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More comments about the meaning of "Ile aye" can be found in this pancocojams post: https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/07/similarities-differences-between-yoruba.html Similarities & Differences Between The Yoruba Word "Aiye" ("Aye") And The American Word "Ayee". That post also features comments from the discussion thread of Nigerian Afrobeat artist Davido's 2014 YouTube video "Aye".

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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
Example #1: Ilê Aiyê | Que Bloco É Esse?



Petrobras Published on Feb 8, 2012

http://www.petrobras.com.br/queblocoe

Religião, fé, tradição e muito ritmo: o Ilê Aiyê é a cara da Bahia.

A Petrobras apresenta o primeiro mini-documentário do projeto ´Que Bloco É Esse?´, que conta um pouco da história do ´mais belo dos belos´.
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Google translate from Portuguese to English

Religion, faith, tradition and a lot of rhythm: Ilê Aiyê is the face of Bahia.
Petrobras presents the first mini-documentary of the project 'Que Bloco É Esse?', Which tells a bit about the history of 'the most beautiful of the beautiful'.
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Here are four comments from this video's discussion thread:
1. ticiadiasbrasil, 2012
"Antes eu queria ser invisível..., mas tudo mudou,... Foi tremendamente emocionante."

Muito lindo o que ela disse.
Hoje sou uma mulher negra, mas já fui uma menina. Uma menina negra que olhava para suas bonecas loiras e então desejava ser invisível. Eu sei como é se sentir assim. E fico muito feliz que existam iniciativas como estas do Ilê Aiyê que valorizam não só a beleza como também a história do povo negro.
Porque povo que não tem respeito pelo seu passado , não preza pelo seu futuro."
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Google translate from Portuguese to English
"Before I wanted to be invisible ... but everything changed, ... It was tremendously exciting."

Very beautiful what she said.
Today I am a black woman, but I was a girl. A black girl who looked at her blond dolls and then wanted to be invisible. I know what it feels like to be like this. And I am very happy that there are initiatives like these of Ilê Aiyê that value not only the beauty but also the history of the black people.
Because people who have no respect for their past, do not cherish their future."

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2. Kiki da Bahia, 2012
"Meus Deus qua saudade da Minha Grande Mãe Banda Aiyê cinto muita falta dela Hoje eu eu moro en Nova York mais cinto fala da minha familia Ile Aiye
Axe Atomico!!! familia Ile Aiye"
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Google translate from Portuguese to English
'My God misses my Great Mother Banda Aiyê I miss her a lot Today I live in New York more belt speaks of my family Ile Aiye
Powerful Axé!!! Family Ile Aiye"

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3. Gabriela Jonas Macedo Moreira, 2012
"VIDA LONGA PARA O ILÊ!!!"
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Google translate from Portuguese to English:
"LONG LIFE FOR THE ILÊ !!!"

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4. jantyla, 2013
"Gostei do depoimento do Crioulo. Legal o nível de consciência de autoestima que alcançou! Reparem no centramento de alguém que se reconhece, se aceita e se gosta por todo um contexto cultural que muita gente ainda não assimilou, nem compreendeu!"
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Google translate from Portuguese to English:
"I liked the testimony of the Crioulo. Cool the level of self-esteem consciousness you've achieved! Look at the focus of someone who recognizes, accepts and enjoys a cultural context that many people have not yet assimilated or understood!"

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Example #2: Ilê Aiyê - Alienação | Desfile | Que Bloco É Esse?


Petrobras Published on Feb 28, 2012

http://www.petrobras.com.br/queblocoe...
O Ilê Aiyê desfila pelas ruas de Salvador cantando a consciência negra desde 1975. Confira o clipe da música "Alienação", produzido pela Petrobras durante o desfile do 'mais belo dos belos' no Carnaval de 2012.

Vem descobrir junto com a gente que bloco é esse!

Quer conhecer mais sobre a história do Ilê Aiyê? Assista o mini-documentário: http://youtu.be/w6yayr0WHA4

Confira também o clipe do Ilê com o rapper Criolo: http://youtu.be/at0dpAA6dm
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Google translate from Portuguese to English:
"Ilê Aiyê parades through the streets of Salvador singing black consciousness since 1975. Check out the music video "Alienação", produced by Petrobras during the parade of the most beautiful of the beautiful in Carnival 2012.

Come find out with us what block this is!

Want to know more about Ilê Aiyê's history? Watch the mini-documentary: http://youtu.be/w6yayr0WHA4
Check out also Ilê's clip with rapolo Criolo: http://youtu.be/at0dpAA6dm"

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Example #3: Ilê Aiyê 'Depois Que O Ilê Passar''A Força do Ilê' Brasil 500 Anos



olbp Pinheiro Published on Apr 9, 2013
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Selected comments from this video's discussion thread:
1. Silvia Cristina Serrao, 2014
"Amor ao ilê."
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Google translate from Portuguese to English:
"Love to the ilê."

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2. Wagner Wagner, 2016o
"Estou toda arrepiada, salve minha Bahia, salve u ilê, salve os orixas."
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Google translate from Portuguese to English:
"I'm all shivering, save my Bahia, save my soul, save the orixas."
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Here's some information about Brazilian orixas:
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candombl%C3%A9#Deities
"Candomblé ...is an Afro-American religious tradition, practiced mainly in Brazil[2] by the "povo do santo" (people of the saint). Candomblé officially originated in Salvador, Bahia at the beginning of the 19th century, when the first temple was founded. Although Candomblé is practiced primarily in Brazil, it is also practiced in other Latin American countries, including Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Venezuela, having as many as two million followers.[2][3]
Candomblé developed in a creolization of traditional Yoruba, Fon, and Bantu beliefs brought from West Africa by enslaved captives in the Portuguese Empire.[2] Between 1549 and 1888, the religion developed in Brazil, influenced by the knowledge of enslaved African priests who continued to teach their mythology, their culture, and language. In addition, Candomblé absorbed elements of Roman Catholicism and includes indigenous American traditions.[2]

As an oral tradition, it does not have holy scriptures.[2] Practitioners of Candomblé believe in a Supreme Creator called Oludumaré, who is served by lesser deities, which are called Orishas.[2][a] Every practitioner is believed to have their own tutelary orisha, which controls his or her destiny and acts as a protector.[2] Music and dance are important parts of Candomblé ceremonies, since the dances enable worshippers to become possessed by the orishas.[2] In the rituals, participants make offerings from the mineral, vegetable, and animal kingdoms....

Candomblé is a polytheistic religion and worships a number of gods:[6]
the orishas of the Yoruba (Ketu nation), spelled Orixás in Portuguese;
the voduns of the Fon and Ewe (Jeje nation); and
the nkisis (minkisi) of the Kongo (Bantu nation).

These deities are believed to have been created by a supreme God, Olodumare[7] (called Zambi by the Kongo people; and Nana Buluku by the Fon people).[7] The orishas and similar figures form a link between the spiritual world and the world of humans.[7]"...

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Thanks for visiting pancocojams.

Visitor comments are welcome.

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post documents the pan-African and global reach of YouTube contemporary African music videos as demonstrated by commenters indicating their nation and/or ethnicity in the YouTube discussion thread for Nigerian Afrobeat star Davido's official video for his 2014 Afrobeat hit song "Aye".

The content of this post is presented for cultural and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Davido for his musical legacy and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/10/davido-aye-nigerian-afro-beat-video.html for information about Davido and for song lyrics for "Aye" as well as some explanations about those lyrics.

Also, click the Davido Aye video tag that is found below for more information and comments about this Afrobeat song and about other subjects that relate to this song and video.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Aye - Davido (Official Music Video)


DMW HQ, Published on Feb 7, 2014

...HKN Music presents the official music video of Aye, Davido's fourth single off his forthcoming sophomore album. Directed by Clarence Peters, the video is shot in a rural setting and tells a tale of love between different classes.

Davido plays a poor farmer who falls in love with the prince's love interest. Aye shows Davido at his best, showing raw talent in a different direction, cultural, and entirely refreshing.....
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Statistics [as of 7/14/ 2017 5:40 PM]
total views: 40,573,802

likes: 97,054; dislikes: 5,768

total # of comments: 5,437

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
A regular feature of almost every discussion thread of YouTube contemporary African music videos includes viewer comments listing their nation of origin. Many of the comments from Africans include the statement "Proud to be African".

This featured sub-thread and other selected comments from the official YouTube video of Nigerian Afrobeat star Davido's 2014 hit song "Aye" demonstrates how fans of Nigerian Afrobeat star Davido include people from numerous African nations and from many other nations throughout the world.

Among other points, these comments from this YouTube discussion thread documents that a number of people of recent African ancestry (apart from the African Diaspora) live in nations outside of Africa.

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD
This is the complete sub-thread* from the discussion thread of Davido's official YouTube video of the song "Aye".

The post indicates that there were a total of 118 responses to the initial comment. However, only 109 of those comments can be read in that sub-thread (as of July 14, 2017 5:40 PM). I've quoted all of those comments in this pancocojams post except for three cases of accidental [?] repeat posting of the same comment

I've added brief editorial comments after a few of these comments.

Numbers are assigned for referencing purposes only.

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1. thScopps94
"Which Countries are you all from ?"

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2. JASMIN OMER
"I'm ethiopia. proud to be African."

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3. Sibel Filiz
"Turkey"

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4. Persona Non Grata
"+Sibel Filiz cameroon"

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5. bulut yağmur
"+Scopps94 Turkey:)"

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6. Martha Dung
"Canada"

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7. TIJWAN HD
"nigeria/English"

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8. Scopps94
"ethnically*"

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9. Martha Dung
"*ethnically Nigerian."

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10. Abel First-Quao
"+Scopps94 Both Ethiopian and Ghanaian."

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11. Ruby M
"Tanzania"

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12. Hannan Omar
"Kenya/Tanzania"

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13. Rahma A
"Somalia"

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14. Scopps94
"+Abel First-Quao awesome mix 😊"

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15. Abel First-Quao
"+Scopps94 Why thank you! Much appreciated haha"

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16. Hamza yazz
"+Scopps94 morroco ♥♥"

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17. Carbon Queen
"Nigerian - English."

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18. Carbon Queen
"+Tijani Gaming
I'm black British, too! 😄"

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19. Rackk City
"Turkey :D"

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20. Chylsie Dominique
"Guyana"

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21. Youss Hassan
"Djibouti ;)"

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22. ukia Stardoll
"Irish"

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23. chris maloney
"Naija flowing everywhere....."

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24. Scopps94
"I'm loving the diversity in listeners, it's soo inspiring for us naijas , more"

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25. Stanley Dougé
"Haïti Quisqueya bohio land of high mountains pearl of the Antilles 💪"

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26. Yacine
"algerian french 😉😉"

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27. Cynthia Gyimah
"Ghana 🇬🇭"

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28. KILL'N'STEAL [MINECRAFT]
"+Scopps94 Ukraine=)"

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29. Naomi Oke
"+Scopps94 Nigeria"

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30. Gunjee
"English born Cameroonian"

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31. RachedTV
"+Scopps94 I'm Tunisian but i leave in France"

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33. James Earnest
"I'm a Nigerian 😁 but in D.C. people think I'm from Ethiopian. so I was always dating Ethiopian girl 😁"

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34. Jitta Kombey
"Born in England Sierra Leonean"

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35. Shadira Obi Adeleke
"Nigeria🇳🇬❤️"

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36. Empress Shae Tadesse
"Ithiopia living in Jamaica"

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37. mandy marume
"+Scopps94 Zimbabwe"

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38. solo ell dineroo.
"holland"

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39. Matheus Ugoagwu
"Brazil"

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40. Tempestt Brown
"United States"

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41. ahmed noor
"I born in Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷 but my parents from Somalia"

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42. Diana Betton
"United States, but my family is from Jamaica, and South Africa. My boyfriend is Yoruba."

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43. Jubin Pun
"Singapore"

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44. An0th3rSumm3r
"Angola"

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45. TheMimaps
"Benin, anyone? :("

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46. forever young
"Nigerian living in England"

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47. forever young
"+Naomi Oke same here Yoruba"

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48. Joshua Muwanguzi
"Denmark :)"

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49. Joshua Muwanguzi
"+Joshua Muwanguzi My boyfriend and mom (from Uganda) in the picture."

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50. Amedeo Ferrigno
"Italian-Nigerian but live in England tho💯💯"

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51. S Maine
"Nigeria ans Senegal"

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52. Aksum አክሱም ፣ ንግሥት
"+Scopps94 Ethiopia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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53. P Charminggg
"Nigerian and black american living in the United States"

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54. Noella M
"Congo/Ivory Coast, living in France"

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55. BlackMambaForReal
"+Scopps94 Guadeloupe"

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56. Leïla G
"Côte d'Ivoire/ France"

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57. Ellis Walraven
"+Scopps94 the signal just hit Jupiter last week, currently #1 in the charts on the planet and all moons!!"
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I've no idea what this comment means.

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58. H. Rashid
"+Scopps94 SUDAN ~"

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59. Dieyi
"+Scopps94 Senegal!"

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60. Anthonia Orji
"Nigeria but I was born and raised in the US"

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61. lydia daniel
"+halefom meki born in Uganda but raised in Australia"

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62. chris maloney
"+Anthonia Orji hi there, how you doing today?"

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63. 100yearsofsolitudful
"+Scopps94 Congo kinshasa"

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64. RRSYS.info - Roulette Prediction
"+Scopps94 how come the always say or talk about ronaldo the football player ha, i love the tunes there so fresh, im from liverpool in the uk"
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This comment refers to a mention of the football (soccer) star Ronaldo in Davido's "Aye" song.

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65. LanaDelNeigh
"Ghana :p"

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66. Dalila Santos
"+Scopps94 Brazil"

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67. RRSYS.info - Roulette Prediction
"Liverpool UK. England."

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68. shesBlessed83
"🇿🇦🇳🇬"

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69. Myth the sage
"+shesBlessed83 wtf is zang?"

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70. Dneyaa Ross
"+Scopps94 Portugal"

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71. Denise McKinley
"+Scopps94 United States :)"

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72. Mbessang Amandine
"Cameroon"

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73. Sadde 111
"+Manresans lleig KeviAmandine lleig Kevin"

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74. nondumiso kheswa
"south africa"

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75. Brenda Kabanda
"Uganda"

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76. Melina Melunsche
"+Scopps94 Germany"

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77. Maka Velli
"+Scopps94 Zamunda"
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"Zamuda" is the name of the fictional African nation in Eddie Murphy's American movie Coming To America.

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78. Scopps94
"+Maka Velli -___-"

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79. Bhagyashree Thakore
"+Scopps94 From the UK but I'm Indian :)"

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80. bruce hillary
"Malaysia anyone?????????"

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81. L K
"Ireland 🇮🇪🍀"

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82. Bolanle Adisa
"+Aksum አክሱም ፣ ንግሥት you're actually everywhere!"

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83. Sakina Dremeau
"+Scopps94 FRANCE ! <3"

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84. Esther Tongo
"+Scopps94 Gabon"

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85. arryyam
"Eritrean but live in Sweden"

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86. Negro SD
"+injera your name 😂"

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87. socachai
"+Scopps94 Trinidad"

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88. Seren Dialllo
"The netherland but mine parents are from Guinea conakry"

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89. AmihsorihSayan YT
"+Scopps94 ALGERIA !!"

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90. Koyenyi Divine Okimela
"Canada, but my mother is from DRC✊"
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DRC = Democratic Republic Of The Congo (also known as Congo Kinshasa)

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91. shanneyp1
"Panama(Central America), but my roots are from France, Jamaica and Barbados."

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92. THE VICTOR
"Man you've created so much love here. You deserve an award. By the way, I'm Nigerian. #Igbo extract. I love everyone here."

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93. Koyenyi Divine Okimela
"+PIANO MAN We are all brothers and sisters! I doesnt even matter in which contry we come from, we're a family <3"

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94. Scopps94
"+PIANO MAN oh I was just interested, but it seems I've shed light to the diverse listeners we have 👍"
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95. Hani Hasabo
"Sudan"

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96. Jumai Hariran
"+Scopps94 Nigeria!!"

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97. Joel Kotto
"+Scopps94 Cameroon"

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98. Lwando G
"South Africa"

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99. Tebogo Bakgakgodi
"Botswana."

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100. mr forty tower
"Africa"

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101. THE VICTOR
"+mr forty tower we know you are AFRICAN, WHAT COUNTRY IN AFRICA? The 54?"

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102. Jessica Malach
"Canada!"

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103. Andrew Mutambara
"Zimbabwe"

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104. Amal Ali
"Somalia"

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105. Tracy Afriyie
"US but I'm Ghanaian🇬🇭🇬🇭"

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106. Sarah F K
"Belle cote d Ivoire"

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ADDENDUM- SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD
Here are some additional comments from this video's discussion thread that include nations that aren't listed in the 2016 sub-thread started by thScopps94 which asked commenters about their nation/ethnicity.

Please accept my apologies if I missed any nations/ethnicities. Also, my apologies if I repeated nations that are already listed in that featured sub-thread.

(Numbers have been assigned for referencing purposes only.)

1. Oscar Augou, 2014
"You make proud to be part of this humble but powerfull culture of Western Africa.... Lagos Rocks Naija people, a brother from Ivory coast"

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2. Rossy Pico, 2014
"I appreciate your two cheeks .. from Ecuador"

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3. sadeck alnadif, 2014
"From Central African Republic, your music makes us forget the war we are livin. Thank you very much, keep it goin..."

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4. Gerald Mwangi, 2015
"This is why Nigerian music stays winning. Love from Nairobi, Kenya people."

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5. Amna269, 2015
"Nice African Video.I like it s tradtional and Modern. Beautiful Natural Queen ! Amna From Comores Islands."

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6. Sambou Sissoko, 2016
"Africaine fier de être Mon Afriqe trad Mali davido welcom"

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7. Adri A, 2016
"ONE LOVE FROM JAMAICA!!!!!"

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8. BlessedByHim, 2016
"Much love from the country Honduras!!!"

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9. Daniela Aguilar, 2016
"I'm from Colombia, Latin America, but I like this music, haha is so cool, pd: sorry for my bad English, I speak Spanish :)"

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10. Freddy Mejia1, 2016
"Boricua obsessed with Davido 👌🏽"
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"Boricua" = Puerto Rico 

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11. doc riak, 2016
"i am south sudanese i love this song can anyone translate it for please"

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12. Mar Angely :v, 2017
"The guy that I like has dedicated me, I'm from the Dominican Republic."

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13. Safyah Khater, 2017
"Ayoub Wsafi me too . From Egypt , mother of the world , umm al dunia!"
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This was posted in response to a comment from Ayoub Wsafi who identified himself as from Morocco and then wrote "Proud to be Africain"

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14. jestey cooper, 2017
"my all time favourite.. lots of love from Botswana"

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15. Marta Tchemane, 2017
"Hi im from Moçambique! Can someone who understand translate it for me please! Ple"

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16. Barbara Gomes, 2017
"Amaya Kongaku i'm from Cape Verde"

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17. Davis Kayumba, 2017
"Amaya Kongaku Rwanda"

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18. Margaret Hamutenya, 2017
"Namibia"

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19. Laurish, 2017
"I absolutly love this song. much love from angola"

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20. Tamera Tarwoe, 2017
"proud Liberian-Ivorian American"

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21. Abeme Elá, 2017
"Canary islands stolen islands from motherland"

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22. Emily bn, 2017
"Nancy Moraa equatorial Guinea"

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23. Vincypearl, 2017
"I'm proud to be Afro-Caribbean 😊"

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24. Pedro Luis asumu Obama nchama, 2017
"it doesn't matter witch country, am just African."

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25. Tiffany Rixton, 2017
"DR Congo, Malawi and Mozambique"

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I also believe that I read a comment in Davido's official YouTube "Aye" video's discussion thread from someone from South Korea, from someone from China, and from someone from Russia. But I can't find those comments now.

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Visitor comments are welcome.

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post documents several of the "Lakadu" play on words jokes that are found in the YouTube discussion thread for Nigerian Afrobeat star Davido's official video of his 2014 hit song "Aye".

The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Davido for his musical legacy and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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Click the Davido Aye video tag that is found below for more information and comments about this Afrobeat song and about other subjects that relate to this song and video.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Aye - Davido (Official Music Video)


DMW HQ, Published on Feb 7, 2014

...HKN Music presents the official music video of Aye, Davido's fourth single off his forthcoming sophomore album. Directed by Clarence Peters, the video is shot in a rural setting and tells a tale of love between different classes.

Davido plays a poor farmer who falls in love with the prince's love interest. Aye shows Davido at his best, showing raw talent in a different direction, cultural, and entirely refreshing.....
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Statistics [as of 7/14/ 2017 5:40 PM]
total views: 40,573,802

likes: 97,054; dislikes: 5,768

total # of comments: 5,437

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PARTIAL LYRICS FOR DAVIDO'S SONG "AYE"
[Verse 1:]
She fine pass Darego
She dey do like Ronaldo
My sweetie poraro (potato)
Ha! Eminado
She like e my song
She like e my song
Her favorite artiste na Davido
Davido
And I like what I see
I like what I see
Baby girl just come come balance for me [alternate transcription: "come dobale for me")
Come balance for me [alternate transcription: "come dobale for me"]
Aaa
Cause nobody can love you like I do
Nobody can touch e you like I do
Nobody can love you like I do
Nobody can touch you like I do


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Here's some explanations of these lyrics:
fine = African American Vernacular English word meaning "very good looking"

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Darego = reference to Nigerian model and beauty queen
From Lolade Adewuyi, June 2017 [in the official "Aye" discussion thread]
(written in response to a comment by Muusa Maxamed) - "Muusa Maxamed "She look like Darego" (Agbani Darego was Miss World 2001)"

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agbani_Darego
"Agbani Darego, MFR (born Agbani Asenite Darego, 22 December 1982) is a Nigerian model and beauty queen, best known as the first native African to win Miss World."

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"Ronaldo" refers to the famous footballer (soccer) player "Ronaldo" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiano_Ronaldo The line "She dey do like Ronaldo" may mean something like "To me she would be a big star like Ronaldo or "She is exciting like Ronaldo".

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http://www.nairaland.com/1361399/whats-meaning-emi-nado-which What's The Meaning Of ''Emi Nado''& From Which Language?
Summarized:
"Emi Nado" is the title of a 2013 Nigerian "R&B" song by Tiwa savage ft Don Jazzy.

"Emi Nado" also has two Yoruba meanings, one of which has a sexually explicit reference.

"Eminado" [Emi nado] in igbo is a good luck charm made of cowries that wrestlers traditionally wear tied to their waist.

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Instead of "come balance for me", Rachel Bello, 2014, a commenter in this video's discussion thread wrote that Davido sang "come dobale" for me."
"Dobale (my pronunciation guess: doh-bah-lay)

From http://www.nairaland.com/261964/nairaland-official-igbo-hausa-yoruba/4
biina: Dec 28, 2009"dobale in yoruba means to prostrate, which is an act of respect when a male is greeting one who much older than him (or a king). Females are expected to kneel down."
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/10/davido-aye-nigerian-afro-beat-video.html for information about Davido, for song lyrics and more explanations about Nigerian language and Nigerian Pidgin English words in this song.

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SELECTED "LAKADU" COMMENTS IN THE YOUTUBE DISCUSSION THREAD FOR DAVIDO'S "AYE" OFFICIAL "AYE" VIDEO
For referencing purposes only these selected comments are assigned numbers in each sub-thread

First Sub-Thread
1. Ayo E, 2015
"Knock knock
Who's there
Lakadu
Lakadu who
Nobody can love like Lakadu
Nobody can touch Lakadu"

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2. odinese nwad, 2015
"Mad person"

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3. Lewa Uzo, 2015
"lmaooo"

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4. dammy hotness, 2015
"😅😅😂😂"

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5. Yothame Mensan, 2015
"+aj kriss Lool i got the joke xD"

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6. beth wanja, 2015
"Hahaha thats funny"

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7. chuckyoo, 2015
"+aj kriss Hilarious! I get the joke and do not know why some are so uptight. Live a little and take a joke. LOL!"

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8. MajorrBison, 2015
"+aj kriss ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, I NO FIT SHOUTZZZZ!"

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9. Conrad Mbaziira, 2015
"+aj kriss hahahahahaha. This funnyyy man"

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10. odinese nwad, 2015
"Go read one of his comment on tekno-dance."

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20. BDD EDDE, 2015
"+aj kriss lmaoooo :') i can never listen to this song the same way again"

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21. Kbaf4, 2015
"+aj kriss AAAAAAAHHHHHJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!!!!!"

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Second Sub-Thread

1. Abel First-Quao, 2016
"'Nobody can love you, Lakadu!
Nobody can touch you, Lakadu!'

And so, Lakadu was forever alone. Aye!"

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2. Armelle Tulunda, 2016
"Omg i laughed so hard"

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3. Bashiru Mumuni, 2016
"lol"

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4. SimplyAnne, 2016
"+Abel First-Quao Clever lol!"

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5. AmaraFyne Du, 2016
"+Abel First-Quao lmboooooooooooooooooo real tears !!"

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6. kansascityrocky, 2016
"Hey guys, I believe that the lyrics are nobody can "toju" you like I do! In yoruba language toju means to take care of you! It sound like he's saying touch you but he's not!!"

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7. Abel First-Quao, 2016
"+kansascityrocky Really?

That's very interesting."

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8. MyGrande Videos, 2016
"Darlings it's like I do"

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9. Abel First-Quao
"+Pump White Oh come on, it's just a bit of fun. Join the party haha"
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This comment directly follows the comment given as #8 in this post. "Pump White" may have been the former screen name for MyGrande Videos.

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10. Mary Jane, 2016
"I'm dying Hahaha"

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11. TeeCeeZA, 2016
"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂"

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12. shivan justine G, 2016
"+Mary Jane same to me here hahaaaah

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13. gazelle20111
"Nobody can love you like I do* that's what he is saying but with a strong accent"

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14. MetropoliBoy, 2016
"+gazelle20111 everyone has an accent, it depends on who is talking and who is listening. If you are an American visiting Africa, when you talk, an African say that you have an accent and vice versa. So, in essence, you have an accent if you don't talk like the local people of a place. In America, you might not have an accent but when you come down to Africa, you have an accent because your pronunciation will be different from the local people."

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15. Ellis Walraven, 2016
"+Abel First-Quao #dead, also...smh"

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16. lola lee, 2016
"+Abel First-Quao Now that's all I hear. smh"

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17. RRSYS.info - Roulette Prediction, 2016
"+Abel First-Quao what does lakadu mean exactly, excuse me, im from liverpool merseyside in britain"

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18. Ellis Walraven, 2016
"+RRSYS.info - Roulette Prediction Its a joke, a play on the words "Like I Do", except the comment by Abel personified the phrase and created "Lakadu" - genius!"

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19. Mohammed Shiine, 2016
"you sir, own this songs comment section. how do feel about this achievement."

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20. How to be a youtuber For Life, 2016
"+Abel First-Quao rofl"

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21. Sam Ambe, 2017
"Nonstop niaja"

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22. Grenadaspice1, 2017
"I had to read the comment a few times but I get it now...lol...I love the Nigerian accent"

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Visitor comments are welcome.

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post documents comments from two sub-threads that are found in the YouTube discussion thread for Nigerian Afrobeat star Davido's official video of his 2014 hit song "Aye". The first sub-thread is about Africans' attitudes about other Africans living abroad. The second sub-thread is about Yorubas in Benin & in other nations besides Nigeria.

The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Davido for his musical legacy and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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Click the Davido Aye video tag that is found below for more information and comments about this Afrobeat song and about other subjects that relate to this song and video.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Aye - Davido (Official Music Video)


DMW HQ, Published on Feb 7, 2014

...HKN Music presents the official music video of Aye, Davido's fourth single off his forthcoming sophomore album. Directed by Clarence Peters, the video is shot in a rural setting and tells a tale of love between different classes.

Davido plays a poor farmer who falls in love with the prince's love interest. Aye shows Davido at his best, showing raw talent in a different direction, cultural, and entirely refreshing.....
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Statistics [as of 7/14/ 2017 5:40 PM]
total views: 40,573,802

likes: 97,054; dislikes: 5,768

total # of comments: 5,437

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM TWO "AYE" VIDEO SUB-THREADS
Sub-Thread #1: Comments From Africans About Other Africans Living Abroad

This excerpt consist of all but one of the comments that were posted to this sub-thread as of July 15, 2017 (7:10 PM)

Numbers are assigned for referencing purposes only.
1. Coogie246, 2015
"Its a shame young Nigerian women in the U.S don't dance like the women in this video any more. A lot (Not all) come to the U.S and try to act too posh, they try and rid themselves of the things that make them unique to the rest of the world....shame. Nigerian women are some of the most gorgeous women on the planet."

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2. Kitty Purry, 2015
"Lol, true. I used to kind of act like that when I was younger, but traditional songs like this make me embrace my roots even more. I love our culture and tradition, it's so rich and fascinating.
And you're right that it's what makes us unique to the rest of the world, which is why it's imperative to keep our tradition aflame and pass it on to the next generation, otherwise it fades into obscurity. So, I'm going to ensure that I teach my kids about their culture, even if they are raised in the western world.
I think it's more about finding the right balance between the western culture and our traditional beliefs, especially if you reside in the western world and work in the corporate world. All in all, I'm very proud to be a Yoruba girl."

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3. oriolori89, 2015
"+Miss Bukky very well said as far too many Africans try to rid themselves of their very africanness as soon as they hit the states, being an older women I am having none of that nonsense .. when in America I braid my hair and an eat my foods,( amala, eba, fufu , ogbono soup, efo rifo , ewa, , ) I eat all of our foods African foods in America .. and why not ? am looking for where to get ISE EWU ... yum.."

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4. Kitty Purry, 2015
"+oriolori89 Really? Is that how it is in the states? I actually live in the UK it's quite different here and it's actually funny because a lot of African teenagers and young adults who were born here to immigrant parents actually really love the culture and they truly embrace it. It's only those who migrated here that try to act indifferent. And here in the UK, especially in London, Nigerian food is so easily accessible, along with other African household items. You can literally live like you do in Nigeria, just in a different continent.
My problem was that I had no Nigerian friends when I first moved here, due to the school I attended, so I had no one to share the culture with, but all that changed when I met other Nigerians

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5. oriolori89, 2015
"+Miss Bukky I live both in the uk and Nigeria as I have homes in both places and yes of course we have our foods our culture all around us in the big cities not the countryside London,Manchester are big Nigerian hubs but Nigerians are so bold they will set up shop anywhere they are not afraid to go places . This is the thing about us is that we tend to be the first ones to step outside "safe " zones as black areas America is different its too big for a start so the African communities are really scattered and tend to concentrate in big cities like new York Houston and Atlanta ..I remember on one trip about a decade ago to los angeles I was in the valleys where you don't get many blacks let alone Africans , I bumped into another Yoruba man who heard me speaking in Yoruba to the people I was with he was so happy! lol you get that from time to time .

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6. Kingsley Odogwu, 2015
"+oriolori89 Hello, how are you doing?"

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7. Nona Yabuisness, 2015
"It's the truth. It's the same for the ones in the UK. Most of them used to pretend to be be Jamaican when I livd in London back in the day. That's why I will never date one of them. They're are Europeanized/Americanized to the max. No sense of African in them at all. Fake Africans"

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8. Nona Yabuisness, 2015
"+Miss Bukky Thats not what I saw. When I used to visit London first generation Nigerians and Africans in general used to pretend to be Jamaicans. They used to call Africans like me "FOB" aka "Fresh Off The boat". They had no African pride whatsoever"

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9. oriolori89, 2015
"+Olayinka Kazeem some of the youth are lost because their parents are too busy chasing naira"
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"naira"= monetary unit in Nigeria

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10. Nona Yabuisness, 2015
"+oriolori89 Some? Most so called Africans overseas are lost. My experiences with you people will always be here and bad. Sorry if I can't get with the pro African vibe that u ppl have embraced within the last year or two. I remember you ppl before. Alot of you were ashamed to be African"

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11. oriolori89, 2015
"+Olayinka Kazeem I presume you took your user name then not all of us are ashamed to be Africans I live part of the year on African soil and its my home now so no our cultures are very strong but this wont be apparent to you unless you are exposed to it and most blacks simply are not"

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12. Briste Belle, 2015
"I am igbo Nigerian in the US. So proud of my culture that even my coworkers wish they are Nigerians. They like when i speak Igbo on the phone and my natural hair styles (Usually Mohawk, with braided sided and combed-up middle), I smile always too... Some of them wish they could marry a Nigerian but the thing is marrying a Nigerian won't make them Nigerian, they'll only be foreigners married to a Nigerian... Anyways, I appreciate my culture and people, Naija for liife!"

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13. Wizkyy Edem, 2015
"+Briste Belle HI BRISTE HOW ARE YOU, IT A GOOD THING TO KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE OVER THERE WANT TO MARRY NAIJA PPL BUT CAN YOU PUT ME ON CONTACTING THEM COS I REALLY WANT TO KNOW THEN FIRST THEN MAYBE WE TAKE IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL.BUT THEY MUST BE VERY BEAUTIFUL LIKE YOU."

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14. Classiqueremyhair, 2015
"+Olayinka Kazeem hmmm. I don't think so at all. I live in Chicago and 95% of Nigerians born here do not play American music hardly. They are more into it than even those in Naija. I cannot remember the last time I heard American songs in Naija parties here. Hardly. Most Nigerians here are more into our culture, it's those at home trying to get Americanized"

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15. oriolori89, 2015
"+Classiqueremyhair yes the youngsters back home have a convoluted idea of life stateside."

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16. Akou Kouassi, 2015
"+Classiqueremyhair I agree to it"

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17. Monafa Gill, 2015
"preachh 😩 most of the dancing today is derived from africa, they should be proud"

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18. NickHill668, 2015
"have you explored the whole U.S? no you haven't it's bigger than you think [two profanity words deleted]

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19. mary mpi, 2015
"I mean I'm an Nigerian in u.s and I can dance"

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20. NickHill668, 2015
"you people are [profanity deleted] stupid, point [profanity] proven

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21. pureknightxs, 2015
"+Olayinka Kazeem That's how it was, key word is was. Its most definitely not like that anymore many nigerians embrace their culture now which is how it should be. I personally am saving up to study yoruba at soas university."
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SOAS University, London England "SOAS University of London is the only Higher Education institution in Europe specialising in the study of Asia, Africa and the Near and Middle East."https://www.soas.ac.uk/about/

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22. rara alsina, 2015
".... u kinda is right and i think everyone should embrace their culture. i wore sum thing like what she wore in the video to school and everyone actually liked it"

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23. NickHill668, 2015
"^ hahahah my god this is hilarious"

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25. Funmilade Akinleye, 2015
+Coogie246 thank you, we know!! #proudlynigerian

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26. priscilla wanosowo, 2015
"+Funmilade Akinleye"
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Writing only a reply indicated by a plus sign followed by a commenter's name, means that you are "cosigning" (agreeing with) what that commenter wrote and/you are giving that commenter "props" (respect/recognition) for writing that.

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Sub-Thread #2: Comments About Yorubas In Benin & Other Nations Besides Nigeria
This is the complete sub-thread (as of July 15, 2017 (7:15 PM)

Numbers are assigned for referencing purposes only.

1. ete ike, 2016
"This is totally the Yoruba traditional video. Yoruba tribe is NIGERIAN."

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2. Malika Sillam, 2016
"There are also Yoruba in Benin."

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3. Debbie, 2016
"+Malika Silla lol every Yorùbá person u see in this world has NIGERIAN ROOTS/ANCESTORS. Yorubas travelled to them neighbouring countries in the olden days. they still do now and intermarry. there are afrocubans and Brazilians that practise Yorùbá religion and bear our names."

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4. I Am Many Things, 2016
"nope, research things friend. Yoruba are from benin,same as nigeria. yoruba in benin did not migrate at all, its just colonial border that separate them from Nigeria yoruba. just saying....yoruba are native to benin and nigeria."

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5. Debbie A, 2016
"+DreamOfTheEndless Sir eerrrm I am Yorùbá myself. Oduduwa(the father of thé yorubas) , ile-ife(thé cradle of thé yorubas), ooni of ife,alake of egba,olubadan of ibadan,oba of benin city(edo state), alaafin of oyo,moremi ajasoro, bashorun ogunmola even thé gods and goddesses are ALL INDEGENOUS TO NIGERIA. Many yorubas married from bénin.

I know many people from bénin republic That even told me this. They bear Yorùbá names Because theyve mingled. Doesnt mean they are Yorùbá. They may have Married a Yorùbá person or have yorubas as grandparents. They speak fon and french. Though their Yorùbá is a little différent Because of their accent. And many nigérians back in thé days used To bring house helps from bénin republic To Nigeria. Some arent Yorùbá at aaaalll but Because theyve stayed with yorubas they know thé language and bear thé name.I dont know or think they still do it. (i mean being househelps over)

The Yoruba share borders with the Borgu in Benin; the Nupe and Ebira in central Nigeria; and the Edo, the Esan, and the Afemai in mid-western Nigeria. The Igala and other related groups are found in the northeast, and the Egun, Fon,Ewe and others in the southeast Benin. The Itsekiri who live in the north-west Niger-Delta are related to the Yoruba but maintain a distinct cultural identity. Significant Yoruba populations in other West African countries can be found in Ghana,Togo, Ivory Coast, Libéria and Sierra Leone Of course Theyll speak thé language intermarry and Take It To their country.

As of 2016 heres thé population of thé yorubas. Nigeria 40 million, Bénin 2.2 million Ghana 460,000 Togo 300,000, Ivory Coast100,000, Europe-200,000 North America-200,000 . Theres a reason Why Nigeria has thé most numbers. BECAUSE ITS THE HOMELAND OF EVERY YORUBA PERSON. (Regardless of migration and marriage) Because you find a set of people in a country doesnt mean they or their languages are indegenous To That country or land. E.g: Australia is for thé aboriginals but their main language is English and Its predominantly white people. "
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6. Malika Silla, 2015
"+Debbie A
He is right. Yorubas are native to Benin and Nigeria.
But you're right with some points.
Significant population does not mean that they are native to that place. It just means that there is a great amount of them living there. If you Google Somalis, a significant population place would be Germany. It just means that they are many Somalis living in Germany.
Also the Yoruba found in Ivory Coast are not Ivorians but Nigerians born in Nigeria that migrated to Ivory Coast.
The same goes for Ghana and Togo. Those Yorubas living there are Nigerians.


Again the reason why Benin and Nigeria exist is because of colonial borders. If it wasn't for white people you wouldn't have Nigeria or Benin.
The reason why Nigeria has the higher population is because white people wanted it. If they would made the borders different what would you say?"

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7. I Am Many Things, 2015
"+Malika Silla right!!!!"

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases the African American Spiritual "I've Been 'Buked And I Been Scorned" sung by Mahalia Jackson. This post also showcases a portion of Alvin Ailey Dance Theater's now classic "revelations" that features "I've Been 'Buked And I've Been Scorned".

Standard lyrics for this Spiritual are also included in this post along with definitions of "'buked " and "scorned" and along with comments about both of these two showcased renditions.

The content of this post is presented for cultural, religious, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composer/s of this song and thanks to all those who are featured in the videos that are showcased in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.

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LYRICS: I BEEN 'BUKED AND I BEEN SCORNED
(African American Spiritual, composer unknown)

I've been 'buked and I've been scorned
(Yes)
I've been 'buked and I've
been scorned
(Children)
I've been 'buked and I've been scorned,
I've been talked about
Sure's you're born

There is trouble all over this world
(Yes)
There is trouble all over this
world
(Children)
There is trouble all over this world
There is trouble all over this world

Ain't gonna lay my religion down
(No)
Ain't gonna lay my religion down,
(Children)
Ain't gonna lay my religion down
Ain't gonna lay my religion
down

I've been 'buked and I've been scorned
(Yes)
I've been 'buked and I've been
scorned,
(Children)
I've been 'buked and I've been scorned,
I've been talked about,
Sure as you're born.

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These lyrics were found on various internet sites. The words in parenthesis are optional.

I learned this song in the 1950s and always sung "Ain't gonna let my religion down". I was surprised to find the word "lay" instead of "let". Now I'm not sure which word is "right".

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DEFINITIONS FOR "'BUKED" AND "SCORNED"
"Buked" = rebuked

From https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/rebuke
"If you receive a rebuke, it means that you have been reprimanded, or scolded. You're sure to get a rebuke if you forget to do your math homework four days in a row.
The word rebuke can be a verb, meaning to sternly reprimand or scold, but it can also be a noun, because a rebuke is the result of being scolded. The root comes from the Old French rebuchier and means "to hack down," or "beat back." A rebuke, then, is meant to be critical and to chide — in today's terms, a rebuke is verbal smack-down!"

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Definition of "scorn"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scorn
"1
: open dislike and disrespect or derision often mixed with indignation
2
: an expression of contempt or derision
3
: an object of extreme disdain, contempt, or derision : something contemptible"

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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
Example #1: Alvin Ailey's Revelations



Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater Published on Feb 17, 2012
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From https://www.alvinailey.org/performances/repertory/revelations
"Revelations
Using African-American spirituals, song-sermons, gospel songs and holy blues, Alvin Ailey’s Revelations fervently explores the places of deepest grief and holiest joy in the soul.

More than just a popular dance work, it has become a cultural treasure, beloved by generations of fans. Seeing Revelations for the first time or the hundredth can be a transcendent experience, with audiences cheering, singing along and dancing in their seats from the opening notes of the plaintive “I Been ’Buked” to the rousing “Wade in the Water” and the triumphant finale, “Rocka My Soul in the Bosom of Abraham.”

Ailey said that one of America’s richest treasures was the African-American cultural heritage —“sometimes sorrowful, sometimes jubilant, but always hopeful.” This enduring classic is a tribute to that tradition, born out of the choreographer’s “blood memories” of his childhood in rural Texas and the Baptist Church. But since its premiere in 1960, the ballet has been performed continuously around the globe, transcending barriers of faith and nationality, and appealing to universal emotions, making it the most widely-seen modern dance work in the world.

[...]

All performances of Revelations are permanently endowed by a generous gift from Donald L. Jonas in celebration of the birthday of his wife Barbara and her deep commitment to Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater.

Music
PILGRIM OF SORROW
I Been 'Buked - Music arranged by Hall Johnson
Didn't My Lord Deliver Daniel - Music arranged by James Miller
Fix Me, Jesus - Music arranged by Hall Johnson

[...] "
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-alvin-ailey-american-dance-theatre.html for several videos of portions of Alvin Ailey Dance Theater's "Revelations" as well as an interview with Judith Jamison a previous pancocojams post about Alvin Ailey Dance Theater's "Revelations".

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/11/alvin-ailey-american-dance-theater.html for Alvin Ailey Dance Theater performing the complete "Revelations" dance.

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Example #2: I've Been Buked and I've Been Scorned- Mahalia Jackson



KJ McRae, Published on Apr 26, 2015

Mahalia Jackson, March on Washington, August 28, 1963.
ALL RIGHTS TO CBS.
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Washington_for_Jobs_and_Freedom
"The March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, the March on Washington, or The Great March on Washington,[1][2] was held in Washington, D.C. on Wednesday, August 28, 1963. The purpose of the march was to stand up for civil and economic rights for African Americans during a time when racism was more prevalent throughout society. At the march, Martin Luther King Jr., standing in front of the Lincoln Memorial, delivered his historic "I Have a Dream" speech in which he called for an end to racism.[3]
The march was organized by A. Philip Randolph and Bayard Rustin, who built an alliance of civil rights, labor, and religious organizations[4] that came together under the banner of "jobs and freedom."[5]

Estimates of the number of participants varied from 200,000 to 300,000;[6] the most widely cited estimate is 250,000 people.[7] Observers estimated that 75–80% of the marchers were black.[8] The march was one of the largest political rallies for human rights in United States history.[5]

The march is credited with helping to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964[9][10] and preceded the Selma Voting Rights Movement which led to the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.[11]"

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This pancocojams post documents how a brief portion of the African American Gospel Quartet "The Harmonizing Four"'s 1957 song "I Love To Call His Name" uses the same note for note phrasing as R&B singer Clarence "Frogman" Henry sung in his 1956 song "Ain't Got No Home".

The Addendum to this post provides information about Clarence "Frogman" Henry and information about The Harmonizing Four.

The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

My thanks to the featured singers and the composers of these songs. Special thanks to David Whiteis for pointing this song pattern out to me via three emails (July 6th-9th, 2017).

Here are excerpts from David Whiteis' emails to me:

July 6, 2017
David Whiteis:
..."I've thought of another spiritual/gospel lyric image that has filtered into the blues vernacular -- I'm sure you've heard the many blues songs/routines in which the singer signifies at various people in the audience --"See that man all dressed in red, woman gonna go upside his head" . . . "See that woman dressed in green, biggest booty I ever seen," etc. (The late Chick Willis used that idiom in his well-known ""Stoop Down Baby," and he elaborated on it quite a bit in live performance.) That, of course, derives from the old "Who's that yonder, dressed in red / Looks like the children Moses led . . . Who's that yonder, dressed in black / looks like the mourner just got back . . . Who's that yonder, dressed in blue / Looks like His children just came through . . ." song cycle.*

There's also a song by the Harmonizing Four -- and now I can't remember which one it is, but if you'd like I can try to find it -- in which at one point they sing a wordless phrase that Clarence "Frogman" Henry reprised note-for-note in his trademark "Ain't Got No Home" in 1956. Coincidence? Maybe -- but if you hear the two songs side-by-side it's difficult to imagine that Henry wasn't aware of where that riff came from."...

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July 7, 2017
David Whiteis:
..."Here's the Harmonizing Four song -- listen to the pattern that the lead singer (not their famous bass vocalist Jimmy Jones, but a later member) sings at about 0:33 seconds into the song . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ee-lD5HULM**
[I Love To Call His Name]

. . . and then compare it to what the Frogman does at 0:45, and then again at 1:18 (in falsetto!) and at 2:09.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsHyMwpIjo [Ain't Got No Home]**

Coincidence? Probably . . . but I think about it every time I hear either one of these songs.

HOWVER: I just realized something. "Ain't Got No Home" was recorded in 1956; the Harmonizing Four didn't sign on with Vee-Jay (the label on which this song was recorded) until 1957. So if anything, this time maybe the gospel singers borrowed the riff from the R&B singer!


David W."
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Pancocojams Editor's Notes
*The lyrics "Who's that yonder, dressed in red / Looks like the children Moses led" are found in versions of the African American Spirituals "Go Tell It On The Mountain"&"Wade In The Water" and probably other Spirituals.

**The links given in the July 7, 2017 email led to YouTube home page. These links were corrected in David Whiteis' July 9, 2017 email to me.

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SHOWCASE YOUTUBE SOUND FILES

Pancocojams Editor's Note:
Since the showcased Rhythm & Blues song was recorded before the showcased Gospel Quartet song, I've presented its sound file first.

Example #1: Clarence Henry - Ain't got no home - 1956 (Frogman)



MicMacDeJay, Published on Mar 26, 2010

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Example #2: I Love To Call His Name - The Harmonizing Four And God Will Take Care Of You



Pannellctp Traditional Gospel Music, Published on Jul 31, 2012

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ADDENDUM
Information about Clarence "Frogman" Henry
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_%22Frogman%22_Henry
"Clarence Henry II (born March 19, 1937), known as Clarence "Frogman" Henry, is an American rhythm and blues singer and pianist, best known for his hits "Ain't Got No Home" (1956) and "But I Do"" (1961).[1]

Career
Clarence Henry was born in New Orleans in 1937, moving to the Algiers neighborhood in 1948. He started learning piano as a child, with Fats Domino and Professor Longhair being his main influences. When Henry played in talent shows, he dressed like Longhair and wore a wig with braids on both sides. He joined Bobby Mitchell & the Toppers in 1952, playing piano and trombone, before leaving when he graduated in 1955 to join saxophonist Eddie Smith's band.[1][2]

He used his trademark croak to improvise the song "Ain't Got No Home" one night in 1955. Chess Records' A&R man Paul Gayten heard the song, and had Henry record it in Cosimo Matassa's studio in September 1956. Initially promoted by local DJ Poppa Stoppa, the song eventually rose to number 3 on the national R&B chart and number 20 on the US pop chart.[3] The gimmick earned Henry his nickname of 'Frogman' and jump-started a career that endures to this day.[1]

He toured nationally with a six-piece band until 1958, and continued to record.[2] A cover of Bobby Charles' hit "(I Don't Know Why) But I Do", and "You Always Hurt the One You Love", both from 1961, were his other big hits.[4]

Henry opened eighteen concerts for the Beatles across the US and Canada in 1964, but his main source of income came from the Bourbon Street strip in New Orleans, where he played for nineteen years.[1] His name could still draw hordes of tourists long after his hit-making days had ended. He still plays at various conventions, including the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival."...

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Information about The Harmonizing Four
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Harmonizing_Four
"The Harmonizing Four was an American black gospel quartet organized in 1927 and reaching peak popularity during the decades immediately following World War II.[1]

Sources disagree as to the original membership when the group was established in 1927 to sing for school functions at Richmond, Virginia's Dunbar Elementary School. Some sources include Thomas Johnson and Levi Hansly as founding members,[1][2] with others indicating they joined the group in the early 1930s after the departure of original first tenor Joe Curby and original bass Willie Peyton;[3] likewise, eventual leader Joseph Williams is identified as a founding member in some sources,[2] and others claiming he joined as much as six years later.[1][3] In 1937 the group added Lonnie Smith, who later became father to keyboardist Lonnie Liston Smith.

The group recorded for Decca Records in 1943 and toured in the postwar years, performing at such high-profile events as the 1944 National Baptist Convention, to an audience of 40,000;[3] the funeral ceremony for President Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1945;[3] and the wedding ceremony of gospel star Sister Rosetta Tharpe and Russell Morrison, an event recorded for a live album to which the group contributed four songs.[3] During this period the group recorded for different labels, including Chicago company Religious Recording, Coleman, and MGM. As of the early 1950s, they signed with Philadelphia's Gotham Records, where they recorded some 40 songs before moving on in 1957 to Chicago's Vee-Jay Records, where they experienced their greatest popularity.[3] Smith retired in 1962, and following a period in the late 1960s of recording for various labels in various membership configurations, the group was essentially semi-retired for the ensuing decades.[3]

Radio
The Harmonizing Four began singing on WRNL, in Richmond, in 1943, soon after recording eight songs for Decca in New York City.[4] Described as "the area's top quartet," the group "would have Sunday breakfast with Richmond for nearly two decades, sponsored by People's Furniture."[5]"

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This pancocojams post provides information about Southern Soul Blues singer Denise LaSalle and showcases a YouTube sound file of Ms. LaSalle's singing her composition "Now Run Tell That". Lyrics for Denise LaSalle's "Now Run Tell That" are also included in this post.

The Addendum to this post presents information that Denise LaSalle shared with journalist/writer David Whitesis about how she came up with the title for that song. David Whitesis shared that information with me via email and gave me permission to post it in this blog.

The Addendum also provides information about writer David Whiteis and his one of his books on African American music Southern Soul Blues.

The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

My thanks to Denise LaSalle for her musical legacy. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.

Special thanks to David Whiteis for his research and his writing and for sharing information with me about the saying "Run Go Tell That".
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This post is part of an ongoing pancocojams series on the phrase "Go tell it" as it pertains to African American music.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/12/early-lyrics-for-christmas-song-go-tell.html for Part I of a four part series on "Go Tell It On The Mountain". That posts features information and text only examples of the "Christmas" version of that Spiritual. Links to the three other posts in that series are included in that post. Other posts in that series showcase examples of this song as sung by Mahalia Jackson, civil rights versions of that song as sung by Peter Paul and Mary and by civil rights activist Fannie Lou Hamer, and an adaptation of this song as sung by the Wailers.

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INFORMATION ABOUT DENISE LASALLE
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denise_LaSalle
"Ora Denise Allen (born July 16, 1939),… known by the stage name Denise LaSalle, is an American blues and R&B/soul singer, songwriter, and record producer who, since the death of Koko Taylor, has been recognized as the "Queen of the Blues".[3]

Career
Born near Sidon, Mississippi[4] and raised in Belzoni, she sang in church choirs before moving to Chicago in the early 1960s. She sat in with R&B musicians and wrote songs, influenced by country music as well as the blues, before winning a recording contract with Chess Records in 1967. Her first single, "A Love Reputation" was a modest regional hit.[5]

She established an independent production company, Crajon, with her then husband Bill Jones.[5] Her song "Trapped By A Thing Called Love" (1971) was released on Detroit-based Westbound Records. This reached #1 on the national R&B chart and #13 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. The song ranked at #85 on the 1971 year-end chart. The RIAA gold disc award was made on November 30, 1971 for a million sales.[6]

She also wrote successful follow-ups, "Now Run And Tell That" and "Man Sized Job" which made #3 and #4 in the R&B Top Ten and also charted in the Hot 100. Her early hits were recorded at the Hi recording studios in Memphis, operated by Willie Mitchell, using the cream of southern session players. She continued to have hits on Westbound and then on ABC Records through the mid-1970s, including "Love Me Right" (#10 R&B, #80 pop) She continued to produce and perform live. Her co-penned song, "Married, But Not to Each Other" (#16 R&B) was included in the 1979 The Best of Barbara Mandrell, compilation album.

In the early 1980s, she signed as a singer and songwriter with Malaco Records, for whom she released a string of critically acclaimed albums over more than 20 years, starting with Lady in the Street (1983) and Right Place, Right Time (1984). Both albums became major successes among soul blues, R&B and soul fans and on urban radio stations. In 1985, she enjoyed her only recognition in the UK Singles Chart, when her cover version of Rockin' Sidney's, "My Toot Toot", reached #6.[7]

LaSalle appeared at the 1984 and 1993 versions of the Long Beach Blues Festival, and also in 1993, she performed at the San Francisco Blues Festival. Her album Smokin' In Bed (1997) sold well.[5] After more than a decade away, when she recorded three albums with small Memphis-based soul-blues label, Ecko, she returned to Malaco for her 2010 outing called "24 Hour Woman". She continues to work as a live performer, particularly at festivals, and more recently has branched out into the gospel genre. In 2011, she was inducted into the Blues Hall of Fame.[8]

[...]

In 2013 and 2014, LaSalle was nominated for a Blues Music Award in the 'Soul Blues Female Artist' category.[12][13] On June 6, 2015, LaSalle was inducted into the Rhythm and Blues Music Hall of Fame."...

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LYRICS- NOW RUN AND TELL THAT
(Denise LaSalle)

Every big city man,
Run around town, just...
Even tellin' how he loves,
A man'll put him down, yes...

How he gets what he wants,
Then he'll blow your mind,
Aww, but baby, you met your match this time, yeah yeah.

Hey hey, Mr. Playboy,
Hey Romeo,
It broke your heart,
If I let you go.

You been tellin' everybody where it's at.
Now run and tell that.
(Run on)
That's what you're gonna do.
(Run and tell that)

You say you never met a girl,
That you couldn't win,
That's what you said.

And if you been there once,
You can go back again,
Oh yes you did.

But ain't no two-timin',
Bone-crushin', sweet-talkin' John,
No, baby,
Gonna get my love and then,
Turn it wrong.

Hey hey, Mr. Playboy,
Hey Romeo,
It hurt you bad,
If I let you go.

You been tellin' everybody where it's at.
Now run and tell that.
(Run on)
That's what you better do now.
(Run and tell that)

You said you were the greatest man alive, yeah.
But I made up my mind to put you down in size, oh yeah.
I'll put somethin' on your mind,
You'll never forget, no baby.

I've got you walking in a daze,
You ain't recovered yet, no.

Hey hey, Mr. Big Stuff,
Hey Romeo,
You can tell the world,
That I told you so,
That I was gonna show you where it's at.

You been tellin' everybody where it's at.
Now run and tell that.
(Run on)
Now run on...
(Run and tell that)

[Fade]

Source: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/denise+lasalle/now+run+and+tell+that_20798012.html
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In Denise LaSalle's song "Now Run And Tell That" the command “Now Run and tell that” is said tauntingly. Another way of saying that is "I just told you off.* Now go tell others what I said- if you dare (since it will make you look bad).
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From https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/tell-sb-off
*"to tell somebody off= to speak angrily to someone because they have done something wrong":

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SHOWCASE EXAMPLE- Legends of Vinyl™LLC Presents Denise Lasalle - Now Run And Tell That 1972



legendsofvinylTM Published on May 17, 2014
Legends of Vinyl, Strictly Vinyl Events & Luis Mario's DJ Entertainment - New York & South Florida's Choice for DJ entertainment proudly present.
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Here's a comment from this sound file's discussion thread:
Lancashire AGoGo, 2016
"thisi is part of that isnt it, so4t of Southern style big sounds with a hint of gospel in vogue around 72,73."

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ADDENDUM
Excerpt of David Whiteis' email to Azizi Powell [July 6, 2017]
..."Remember our discussion about Denise LaSalle's song, "Run and Tell That"? Well, I'm currently working with Ms. LaSalle on her autobiography, and as it turns out, she didn't quite get that title from where we thought she did. Here's her story about it:

“It was a phrase from a newsman in Chicago. During that time, you know, it was a lot of Civil Rights movement going on, a lot of Black folk runnin’, tellin’ white folk what Black folk said they gonna do, a lot of meetings where everybody’s trying to figure a way how to get out from under the oppression. Black people had finally come to grips, to 'I ain't taking this sh&t* no more.' And they had meetings, they’d call a meeting to talk about what they were going to do to get – what they call him, we had a name for white folk – Mister Charlie – they had Black folk, Uncle Toms when they run to the white folk, and the white folk was Mister Charlie. And they was just trying to keep – they wanted to have their little say among themselves, try to use that on Mister Charlie. But you got some Black people would come to the meetings, and hear what they were talking about, and go back and tell Mister Charlie, okay?

So they got this thing going, where this guy would get on the radio, and say, 'We as a people are going to do this, and we’re going to do that,' and he didn’t mind saying what they gon’ do; he wasn’t trying to be in no private meeting to tell – he said, 'We are going to do this. We are going to stick together, and we are going to do this and that.' He said, 'Now run and tell that!' That’s where it came from. He would always end every commentary he would do, on WVON in Chicago, with 'Now, run and tell that!' He was a crippled old, crippled Black man – his name was Roy Wood. He would use that "Run and tell that," and I kept liking to hear it. I liked what it meant, and I just said I would start working on a song with that. That’s where that came from."

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Until now, every time I've heard that song I've thought about our earlier conversation about its spiritual/gospel roots. I'm sure that's where Roy Wood got the phrase from, but Denise got it from him!
Thought you'd find this interesting . . ."
-end of email excerpt
*This word was fully spelled out in that comment.

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Here's some information about David Whiteis and one of his books Southern Soul Blues:
From https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/southern-soul-blues-david-whiteis/1113417453#productInfoTabs
"Attracting passionate fans primarily among African American listeners in the South, Southern Soul draws on such diverse influences as the blues, 1960s-era Deep Soul, contemporary R & B, neosoul, rap, hip-hop, and gospel. Aggressively danceable, lyrically evocative, and fervidly emotional, Southern Soul songs often portray unabashedly carnal themes, and audiences delight in the performer-audience interaction and communal solidarity at live performances.

Examining the history and development of Southern Soul from its modern roots in the 1960s and 1970s, David Whiteis highlights some of Southern Soul's most popular and important entertainers and provides first-hand accounts from the clubs, show lounges, festivals, and other local venues where these performers work. Profiles of veteran artists such as Denise LaSalle, the late J. Blackfoot, Latimore, and Bobby Rush—as well as other contemporary artists T. K. Soul, Ms. Jody, Sweet Angel, Willie Clayton, and Sir Charles Jones—touch on issues of faith and sensuality, artistic identity and stereotyping, trickster antics, and future directions of the genre. These revealing discussions, drawing on extensive new interviews, also acknowledge the challenges of striving for mainstream popularity while still retaining the cultural and regional identity of the music and of maintaining artistic ownership and control in the age of digital dissemination."...

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From http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/77kfd2bp9780252034794.html Southern Soul-Blues
"AWARDS AND RECOGNITION:
• Best History for Best Research in Recorded Blues, Hip-Hop, Rhythm & Blues, Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC), 2014
• Blues Book of the Year, Critics' Poll, Living Blues magazine, 2014

[...]

David Whiteis is an author, freelance writer, and educator living in Chicago. He is the author of Chicago Blues: Portraits and Stories, and his articles and reviews have appeared in Living Blues, The Chicago Reader, Down Beat, Juke Blues, Jazz Times, and elsewhere. Southern Soul Blues won the Best Blues Book of 2013 in Living Blues magazine's critics poll."

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This pancocojams post provides information about Mozambique and showcases two videos of Mozambican singer Marllen (also known as "Preta Negra")- "Mutxado" (2014) and "Salane" (2017).

Information about Marlene Preta Negra is included in this post along with selected comments from this YouTube video's discussion thread.

The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

My thanks to Marllen Preta Negra for her musical legacy. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.

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INFORMATION ABOUT MOZAMBIQUE
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique
"Mozambique …. officially the Republic of Mozambique (Portuguese: Moçambique or República de Moçambique, pronounced [ʁɛˈpuβlikɐ ðɨ musɐ̃ˈbikɨ]) is a country in Southeast Africa bordered by the Indian Ocean to the east, Tanzania to the north, Malawi and Zambia to the northwest, Zimbabwe to the west, and Swaziland and South Africa to the southwest. It is separated from Madagascar by the Mozambique Channel to the east. The capital and largest city is Maputo (known as "Lourenço Marques" before independence)."

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INFORMATION ABOUT MARLLEN PRETA NEGRA
From https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://moznerd.blogspot.com/2016/01/biografia-de-marllen-preta-negra.html&prev=search
Marllen Preta Negra (Biography) by Paulo Amosse Cuambe [translated froom Portuguese to English], retrieved July 17, 2017
"Marllen Julieta Nguenha or simply Marllen or even if she prefers " Preta Negra*", is a Mozambican artist born in the city of Maputo on August 23, 1983.

Her artistic career began when she was only 15 years old when she was part of big theater companies like Mbeu, Mutumbela Gogo and Mahamba, where she started her career as a singer, dancer and guitar player during her stage performances.

Three years later she formed her own group " Kina-fusion " and participated in a reality television show called " Fantastic " which made her more popular.

Already with established fame, some time later she releases her first original song titled " Ximate ".

In 2007 she was part of the agency " Bang Entertainment " where she recorded her first album entitled " African Black " and performed in countries like Angola and Southern Africa.

In 2008 she started working with the agency " Celebrity Productions " with whom she recorded the album " Preta Negrak " which was a very big step for her artistic career.

After the release of this album, Marllen happened to be like "Preta Negra".
In 2009 she won the reality show " Dance of the artists ".

Still in 2009 she toured Washington, New York and Philadelphia where she participated in the " Acana " festival and it was this year that Marlene became one of the most popular artists in Mozambique.

In 2010 she was in Kampala, Uganda, where she was scheduled to attend an African Union Summit.

In this event, she performed on stage in a duet with the renowned South African singer Ivone Tchaka-Tchaka and was named Ambassador for the fight against Childhood mortality , for which she recorded the song " Mwana " with Rafiya, a Congolese singer, based in USA.

In 2011 she performed in Berlin in Germany and in the same year launched the first black doll in Mozambique, called " Preta Negra Doll ", having sold more than 5000 pairs inside and outside the country (only in 2011).

In 2012 she performed in Nigeria in " Miss University Africa " and completed the course of Cultural Management.

In 2013 he had his first child and distanced himself for some time by dedicating himself to studio work.

Having later released the song and the respective video entitled " mutxado ".

In 2014 she married and once again left the stage, returning only in August where she participated in Coke Studio Africa, where she recorded four songs with the participation of Rabbit and Owuor Arunga."
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This English language translation gave the name "Marllen Preta Negra" as Marlene Black Black". I retained the Portuguese form of her name for this translation. I also retained the "Preta Negra" form for the reference to her album title and the name of the doll that is mentioned in this article, even though the translation gave those references as "black black".

The translation notes that Ms. Preta Negra was named an Ambassador for the fight against "childhood immortality". I changed the word "immortality" to "mortality".

This translation gave the pronoun "he" instead of she. I changed "he" to the correct pronoun for Ms. Preta Negra.

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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
Example #1: Marllen - Mutxado (Afro Dance) - African Divas – Mozambique



afro vizions, Published on Feb 11, 2014

We have Obtained permission from Artists in Madagascar, Mozambique, Angola, Kenya, Ivory Coast, Cameroon, Sweden to bring these contents here. Royalties are geared towards helping respective artists in the career.
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Unfortunately, this video has no comments to date.

What is this song about and what language is this?

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Example #2: Marllen - Salane (official subtitled video)



Marllen Preta Negra oficial Published on Jan 15, 2017

O Vídeo Marllen - Salane (official subtitled video) foi gravado em Moçambique e lançado em 2017
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Translation of the last line from Portuguese to English:
"The Video Marllen - Salane (official subtitled video) was recorded in Mozambique and released in 2017"

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM MARLLEN - "SALANE"
Pancocojams Editor's Note:
It's no surprise that almost all of the comments in this video's discussion thread are in Portuguese since that is the official language of Mozambique and it's the language that Marllen is singing [Is it the language that she is singing ?]*. From my use of Google translate), almost all of these comments appear to be congratulating Marllen on her song and this video. The subtitles in this video are also in Portuguese.

*From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Mozambique
"Mozambique is a multilingual country. A number of Bantu languages are indigenous to Mozambique. Portuguese, inherited from the colonial period (see: Portuguese Mozambique), is the official language, and Mozambique is a full member of the Community of Portuguese Language Countries.[1] Ethnologue lists 43 languages spoken in the country. According to INE, the National Institute of Statistics of Mozambique, Portuguese is the most widely spoken language in Mozambique: According to the 2007 national population and housing census, 50.4% of the national population aged 5 and older (80.8% of people living in urban areas and 36.3% in rural areas) are fluent in the language. Other widely spoken languages include Swahili, Makhuwa, Sena, Ndau, and Shangaan (Tsonga). Other indigenous languages of Mozambique include Lomwe, Makonde, Chopi, Chuwabu, Ronga, Kimwani, Zulu, and Tswa.[2] The language of the deaf community is Mozambican Sign Language.[2]

Small communities of Arabs, Chinese, and Indians (primarily the Gujarati language) speak their own languages (Indians from Portuguese India speak any of the Portuguese Creoles of their origin) aside from Portuguese as their second language.[2]"
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Unfortunately, I don't understand any language but English. It would be great if someone would add an English translation or even a English summary of this song in the discussion thread. Or if someone would add the Portuguese lyrics (or a summary of those lyrics in the discussion thread, then a search engine such as Google search could be used to translate the lyrics to English or to another language.

Here are a few of those comments, with the Google translate words given below each comment.
These translation are given "as is". For instance, I've kept the "black black" translation instead of "Preta Negra" to show how Google translate gave it. Also notice that sometimes Google
translate doesn't translate all the Portuguese words to English for some reason or gives different meanings for the same word. An example of this is the word "forca". My guess is that in the context of these comments that word means something like "Power", but I'm not sure of that.

All of these comments are from 2017.
These comments are given in no particular order.

Numbers have been assigned for referencing purposes only.

1. Célia Muchanga
"lindo vídeo, linda música , como a dona bjs linda , força."
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Beautiful video, beautiful music, like the beautiful mistress, strength.

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2. Izil Mutane
"1000 PARABENS BONECA AFRICANA, PELO VIDEO SALANE GOSTEI MUITO... BOM TRABALHO"
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"1000 PARABENS AFRICAN DO"
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The word "parabens" is usually translated as "congratulations" by Google translate. I don't know why this time it was different.

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3. Filipe Mapilele
"Completamente espectacular e muito linda a música. Revela o poder artístico dos moçambicanos. Parabéns à Marllen pela criatividade e sabedoria.

Igualmente saúdo a todos teus admiradores e colegas artistas moçambicanos das mais diversificadas especialidades!
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"Completely spectacular and very beautiful music. It reveals the artistic power of Mozambicans. Congratulations to Marllen for creativity and wisdom.

I also greet all your admirers and fellow Mozambican artists from the most diverse specialties!"

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4. Crisalda Macamo
"isso sim eh musica, faz dancar e com mensagem, e melhor ainda nao precisou ficar nua para chamar atencao...
sempre me surpreendendo........"
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"This is music, dance and message, and better still did not have to be naked to draw attention ...
Always surprising me"

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5. Suraia Agostinho Hale Bunga
"já está confirmado q és uma grande e brilhant estrela,granda video parabns preta negra"
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"Already confirmed that you are a great and brilliant star, granda video parabns black black"

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6. Mahomed Jamal Saieti
"É de artistas sérios que Moçambique precisa, parabéns Marlene continue a te Superar a cada trabalho. Parabéns"
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"It's from serious artists that Mozambique needs, congratulations Marlene continue to overcome you with every job. Congratulations"

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7. Joao Reis Dombole
"Musica de qualidade é Moz.... Sim senhora!!! Obrigado #Marllen por este trabalho digno de toda ovacionação...
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"Quality music is Moz .... Yes lady !!! Thank you #Marllen for this work worthy of any ovation ...."

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8. Baltazar Daniel
"essa musica esta tope a minha irma mas velha esta para casar ja esta a fazer curiografia dessa para cantar para o noivo. parabens Marlene"
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"This song is the one that my older sister is to marry. She is already doing her quest to sing for the groom. Congratulations Marlene"

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9. Ivania Sara
"força aí Marlene , linda música"
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Marlene, there's beautiful music."
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Note that Google translate didn't give any meaning for the word "forca". In other translations it gave the meaning "Hang" and "gallows". In the context of these comments, I wonder if it means something like "powerful".

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10. mateus67551
"Love on Top de Moçambique ... ela deve ter se inspirado em Beyoncé para gravar o video. Beijosss do Brasil.
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"Love on Top from Mozambique ... she must have been inspired by Beyoncé to record the video. Kisses from Brazil."

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11. Joaquim Miambo
"viva a musica mocambicana, esta de parabens preta negra"
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"Long live Mozambican music. Congratulations! Its black black"

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12. Gonçalo Ferrao Junior
"wauuu, wauu, ıı wauu!!!! Logo que escutei foi Amor a primeira vista.... Tia Marllen como sempre Parabens."
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"Wauuu, wauu, ıı wauu !!!! As soon as I heard it, it was love at first sight .... Aunt Marllen as always, Congratulations."

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13. Izabel Izabel Izza
"linda música Marlene forca"
"Beautiful music, Marlene forca"

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14. Ligorio Munhaule
"parabéns preta negra grande som"
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"Black big black congratulations."
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I think that a better translation for that comment is "Lots of congratulations, Preta Negra! congratulations black black

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15. biute canama
"Forča Marlen linda musica.
Amei"
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"Forča. Beautiful music Marlen
I love it."

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16. leonel janeiro
"kkkkkkk grande som
Lol great sound
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From https://eyesonbrazil.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/brazilian-portuguese-internet-slang/
"rs, rsrsrs, kkk, huhauhauha, = risos (lol)"
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"risos" = laugh

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17. Hermen Denis Muhave
"obrigado Marlene... forca!"
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"Thank you Marlene ... hang!"

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18. Leonor Célia Inguane
"Parabéns Preta negra, muita força e sucesso na sua carreira."
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"Congratulations Black Black, lots of strength and success in your career."

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19. Orestes Setsero
"What a beautiful Voice you have Princess Marllen."

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20. MaMen Txoboy
"video muito bonita adorei a coreografica nota 10 pra MARLLEN 💙"
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"Very beautiful video I loved the coreografica note 10 to MARLLEN"

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Thanks for visiting pancocojams.

Visitor comments are welcome.

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post documents a sub-thread of the discussion thread for the YouTube video "Bomba Puertorriqueña". That video is also embedded in this post.

This sub-thread begins with a discussion about the African roots of Bomba drumming and dancing and continues with comments about race and racism in the Caribbean and in the United States.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, socio-cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

I'm interested in documenting excerpts of YouTube video discussion threads because I believe that these excerpts (among many others) should be considered folkloric artifacts that should be read, preserved, and studied for the information that they contain and for other socio-cultural reasons, including the perceptions and attitudes of commenters and the ways that communication occurs on these online social media discussion threads.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are featured in this video, and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publisher of this video on YouTube.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Bomba Puertorriqueña



dan vazquez Published on Sep 14, 2013

Delegación de Loiza en el 5to encuentro del tambor en Juncos. Debo hacer la aclaración este video lo tomo mi esposa Tita!
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Google translate from Spanish to English: Delegation of Loiza in the 5th encounter of the drum in Juncos. I must clarify this video I take my wife Tita!

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Statistics [as of 7/18/2017 2:10 PM]
total views: 637,146 views

likes: 4,117 dislikes: 174

total # of comments: 450

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM A SUB-THREAD OF THE YOUTUBE VIDEO "Bomba Puertorriqueña"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZummXOaoXuo&list=RDQMpRXHg7WufZY

This YouTube discussion thread excerpt consists of all of the comments that were posted in this sub-thread from the first comment in 2015 to the last comments (as of the date of this post's publication) that were posted on July 17, 2017. The comments are given in chronological order as they were found in that YouTube discussion thread- from the oldest comment to the most recent comments.

As per the policies of this blog, I use amended spelling for profanity and for the referent that is often referred to as "the n word". That amended spelling is indicated by an asterisk after that word (* means that that word is fully spelled out in that comment.) However, I've retained the letter abbreviations for profanity in these comments.

I used Google translate to translate words from Spanish to English. Those translations are given "as is" below the comment, except for the words "bomba" and "plena" which are sometimes given in that translation tool as "bomb" and "full". When that occurred, I added the correct terms in italics.

I'd let to direct special attention to the comment by Herminio Román Morales that is given as #34 below. That comment provides some detailed information about bomba music.

Numbers are assigned for referencing purposes only.

2015
1. Cubapanablacc
"So proud to see the African culture survived through out the Caribbean. Blacks from the U.S. especially the south don't seem to understand that black people exist in Spanish countries especially. Respect pa' mi gente bella, mi gente negra, viva los afro-Latinos"
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"Pa 'my beautiful people, my black people, live the Afro-Latinos"

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2. Jerome Theseus
"+Cubapanablacc Yes it sure did!!! Alive and well!!! The US blacks have lost all of their African Roots. It also shows you that people who were slaves under Spain, had more freedom than in American. American slavery was the worst in history sick shit... I read in a article that Slaves under spain were allowed to get married as well."

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3. Cubapanablacc
"+Jerome Theseus yea it's sad and very true. What's even worse is they make fun of us afro Latinos even though we share the same ancestry"

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3. Jerome Theseus
"Yes, they are quick to say we don't like being black. Yet, our culture is heavily influenced by Africans. +Cubapanablacc

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2016
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4. Michael Perez
"We are proud people, it stems from the Taino side more than anything, the other two thirds of our culture simply influenced this style of music."

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5. Jerome Theseus
"+Michael Perez Stop spreading lies, and taking away from the African influence. BOMBA has nothing to do with Taino."

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6. Cubapanablacc
"Pura musica africana y la cultura tambien. Lo siento Pero los taino Indians no tienen na' que ver en esto, and that's real
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"Pure African music and culture too. Sorry But the Taino Indians do not have na 'to see in this"...

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7. Jerome Theseus
"+Cubapanablacc exactamente!! tu eres Cubano? yo igual!"
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"Cubapanablacc exactly !! You are cuban me too!"

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8. Cubapanablacc
"+Jerome Theseus si soy afro Americano y Cubano y humildemente representando con mucho orgullo
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"Yes, I am African American and Cuban and humbly representing with much pride"

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9. Michael Perez
"+Jerome Theseus This music started in Mayaguez from the African and Taino slaves. The music itself has spanish origins like all Carribean music. Trying to tell a f___king* Puerto Rican how his own culture started, good one kid.

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10. Cubapanablacc
"+Michael Perez bro your wrong. Puerto Rico isn't the only Caribbean country with this type of music. this music is conga and if you didn't know the Africans were the ones who taught the Spaniards music. if you know anything about the slave trials in the southern region of the U.S. the slaves used to come together and sing and dance and it was the same minus the Spanish language, but even in bomba dance and songs there's still African language used"

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11. Michael Perez
"+Cubapanablacc Incorrect, this style of music, Bomba, is influenced by African music, but originated in Mayaguez. It was used by BOTH Taino and African and later the Spanish decima or seis.

As for Africans teaching Spaniards music, that is also false. Their music began on the Iberian peninsula, long before the use of African slaves in Spain.

Your counter arguments are falling flat. You're not just arguing with a history major, but someone who has had the opportunity to study at UPRM and learn more about my own culture. Trying to deny the integration of three unique cultures into one dance is pathetic."

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12. Cubapanablacc
"+Michael Perez tu eres Bien payaso primo. Africans used to control the Iberian peninsula centuries before the slave trade started where they taught the Spaniards music math, logic, and much more. Aprende compa de la historia del moors. Spaniards now are tryna erase that part of history because it has to do with Africa. all of this is already documented bro
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“tu eres Bien payaso primo+ = You are good clown cousin

"Aprende compa de la historia del moors" = Learn about moors history

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13. Michael Perez
"+Cubapanablacc I mean, most Spanish music is influenced by Greek and Italian styles, but I'd guess you know more, right? You're like the Mexicans who still think California is their territory lol."

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14. Cubapanablacc
"+Michael Perez and who you think taught the Greeks and the latins. Africans did, bro I promise if you research it youd be surprised what youd learn"

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15. Michael Perez
"+Cubapanablacc Research isn't foreign to me , once again, I am a four year history major. Greeks have no African influence in their music. The styles are far too different to even be relevant to each other.
You need to drop Wikipedia. I'm done arguing with somebody trying to teach me a culture that has been passed down in my family for generations since the first Perez landed in PR."

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16. Cubapanablacc
"+Michael Perez apparently it is, and no I don't f---k* with Wikipedia at all, Pero si tu lo dices compa
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"Pero si tu lo dices compa = But if you say so"

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17. hrivera007
"+Michael Perez la Bomba no es de Mayagüez, es de Loíza, traída por los esclavos que llegaron a Loíza. Ahora si estas hablando de Plena eso es otra cosa. Unos dicen que es de Ponce y otros de Mayagüez.
Pero Bomba es puro África. Ni los Taínos o españoles bailaban o tocaban tambores así. Yo también soy puertorriqueno."
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"The Bomba is not from Mayagüez, it is from Loíza, brought by the slaves who arrived at Loíza. Now if you are talking about Plena that is something else. Some say it is from Ponce and others from Mayaguez.
But Bomba is pure Africa. Neither the Taínos nor Spaniards danced or played drums like that. I'm a Puerto Rican too."

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18. Cubapanablacc
"+hrivera007 exactamente hermano pero ese man piensa que sabe to'. en vida real fren, no vine aqui para discutir nada con nadie. vine aqui porque la calidad de la musica y cultura esta bien fuerte and is something all us afro-Latinos and Latinos in general need to cherish"
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"Exactly brother but that man thinks he knows to '. In real life fren, I did not come here to discuss anything with anyone. I came here because the quality of music and culture is very strong"

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19. hrivera007
"+Cubapanablacc así es. Tienes razón."
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"so is. You're right."

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20. Sean rodriguez
"+Michael Perez papa bomba is all African, it's from Loiza and other parts on the eastern side of the island where most of us (black Puerto Ricans) are concentrated. This has nothing to do with tainos at all. African dancing and music is present in many Latin American countries mostly the Caribbean. This is coming from a Puerto Rican with just a bachelors degree and no research done.... We should already know who we are, I'm not attacking you... We just gotta dish out the right info. I'm from barranquitas btw an island town if you know where that's at, everyone around me is mostly European descent. Soo if I got all this info on lock, you should also."
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"papa bomba" = "Father bomba:

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21. Espanol Guerra
"+Cubapanablacc Their is only one Spanish country and it is called Spain. Is Cuba a Spanish country or a country that speaks Spanish. Their is a big difference."

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22. Cubapanablacc
"Your absolutely right but what's your point there?"

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23. Espanol Guerra
"+Cubapanablacc That their is only one Spanish country and that the rest of the countries are Spanish speaking not Spanish. They have their own identity that makes them unique and many and fought and died to become free and independent countries.

No one can question their is Hispanic and Latin influence in these countries but they are not longer under Spanish rule and by calling them Spanish countries it implies that they are.

I just don't think that is fair with all the lives lost fighting for freedom and Independence. It would mean that all the people who fought for their countries to be independent died in vain."

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23. Karen Rodriguez
"+Michael Perez are you getting this info from Wikipedia bru?"

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24. Grimm Reaper
"+Jerome Theseus Caribbean slavery was worse than American."

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25. Jerome Theseus
"+Grimm Reaper How? When every caribbean island still have their African roots and culture still around. Such as this video here. Pay attention"

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26. Grimm Reaper
"+Jerome Theseus
I am not sure what you're trying to say. When you see an African American twerking that ass for the 'gram isn't that part of African culture? Or cornrowing their hair? Or eating yams? Because that's about all WE have."

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27. Jerome Theseus
"+Grimm Reaper Shut up... just stop"

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28. Grimm Reaper
"+Jerome Theseus
Lol, why? Why do you think we have our culture in tact because these dances are around? Do you know the symbolism behind them? Why they were practiced?"

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29. hector rivera
"+Dulce Agua Del Pozo Toda música del caribe o afrocaribena tiene origen de África. El Guaguanco de Cuba, el merengue de República Dominicana, la bomba, todos tienen raíces africanas, pero cuando cada país le pone su toque propio y la mezcla con el ambiente en que está, entonces ese ritmo se define propio y ahí es cuando ese ritmo se hace oriundo de ese país. Si no todo el caribe tocaría la misma música. Lo de "mezcla con árabe" esta es la primera vez que escucho eso."
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"Dulce Agua Del Pozo All music from the Caribbean or Afro-Caribbean originates from Africa. The Guaguanco of Cuba, the merengue of the Dominican Republic, the bomba, all have African roots, but when each country puts its own touch and mix with the environment in which it is, then that rhythm defines itself and that's when that rhythm He is a native of that country. If not all the caribe would play the same music. The "mix with Arabic" is the first time I hear that. "

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30. I chew the bone to the merum 123
"Cuban Pana sorry that was my brother he likes to fight with people"

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31. Cubapanablacc
+James Castro lol It's all good bro
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"James Castro" appears to be a former user name for "I chew the bone to the merum 123"

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32. I chew the bone to the merum 123
"+Cubapanablacc true cuba has bomba too"

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2017
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33. Rio Cappuccino
"yes thats very true a lot of them are blind to their own roots,,Latinos are respected to some small degree more for the practice and memory of the mother land"

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34. Herminio Román Morales
"La bomba es un genero musical que se crea en Puerto Rico, principalmente en zonas costeras con mayor concentración de esclavos. Los pueblos de Mayaguez, Cangrejos (Santurce), Loiza , Ponce ,Guayama, Santa Isabel y Juana Diaz entre otros, fueron la cuna de los varios estilos que conforman la bomba puertorriqueña. Usualmente cuando se explican estos diversos estilos se agrupan por estas regiones geográficas. No obstante en todo Puerto Rico pueden encontrarse unas características generales en la bomba. La misma se toca con dos o mas tambores llamados barriles. Tambien se utiliza una maraca que la toca un cantaor y unos palitos que se tocan contra el costado de uno de los barriles o contra una bambua, y se les llama cuá. La bomba se define como un duelo entre el bailador y el tocador del tambor que se denomina como subidor o primo y que va marcando los golpes que el bailador hace.

En la región de Santurce, se desarrollan los estilos conocidos como:

Sicá – Ritmo de bomba mas conocido y que fuera comercializado por Cortijo y su combo en las décadas del ’50 y ’60.
Yubá –Ritmo en compás de 6/8 de mucho sentimiento.
Cuembé – Ritmo parecido al Sicá pero con un golpe adicional.
Holandé – Ritmo rápido parecido en algunos golpes a la plena.
Adicional a estos, hay otros estilos que utilizan estos patrones rítmicos pero se diferencian ya sea por su forma de cantarse o bailarse. Ejemplo de estos son el Paulé, Gracimá, Cocobalé, Danué y Calindá entre otros.

En el area sur (Ponce, Guayama, Santa Isabel, Juana Diaz, entre otros) se desarrollaron los siguientes estilos:

Guembé – Basicamente igual que el Cuembé de santurce pero un poco mas lento.
Lero – Parecido al Yubá pero con un golpe adicional.
Belén – Ritmo lento usualmente usado para temas melancólicos
Cunyá – Ritmo donde predominan los golpes graves del tambor
Al igual que en la región de Santurce, en el sur hay vertientes dentro de esos patrones basicos y hay algunos patrones que han desaparecido ya que no se sabe como sonaban.

En el area de Loiza se conocen dos estilos principales:

Seis Corrido – Ritmo rápido y fuerte. Es el mas conocido del area.
Corvé – Ritmo rápido pero a 6/8 como el Leró y el Yubá.
Tambien existe un estilo del area de Canovanas y Carolina conocido como Hoyo Mula parecido al Seis Corrido pero mas lento."
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The bomba is a musical genre created in Puerto Rico, mainly in coastal areas with a higher concentration of slaves. The towns of Mayaguez, Cangrejos (Santurce), Loiza, Ponce, Guayama, Santa Isabel and Juana Diaz among others, were the cradle of the various styles that make up the Puerto Rican bomba. Usually when explaining these diverse styles are grouped by these geographical regions. However throughout Puerto Rico can be found some general characteristics in the pump. It is played with two or more drums called barrels. Also used is a maraca that is played by a singer and some sticks that are played against the side of one of the barrels or against a bamboo, and are called cuá. The bomb is defined as a duel between the dancer and the drum player that is called as a subidor or cousin and that is marking the blows that the dancer makes.

In the Santurce region, the styles known as:

Sicá - The best known pump rhythm ever marketed by Cortijo and his combo in the 50s and 60s.
Yubá - Rhythm in compass of 6/8 of much feeling.
Cuembé - Rhythm similar to Sicá but with an additional blow.
Dutch - Fast rhythm similar in some hits to full.
In addition to these, there are other styles that use these rhythmic patterns but they differ either by their way of singing or dancing. Examples of these are Paulé, Gracima, Cocobalé, Danué and Calindá among others.

In the southern area (Ponce, Guayama, Santa Isabel, Juana Diaz, among others) the following styles were developed:

Guembé - Basically the same as the Cuembé de santurce but a little slower.
Lero - Similar to the Yuba but with an additional blow.
Belén - Slow rhythm usually used for melancholic themes
Cunyá - Rhythm where the drum beats are predominant
As in the Santurce region, in the south there are slopes within those basic patterns and there are some patterns that have disappeared since you do not know how they sounded.

In the area of Loiza two main styles are known:
Six Run - Fast and strong rhythm. It is the best known in the area.
Corvé - Fast pace but 6/8 as the Lero and the Yuba.
There is also a style of the area of Canovanas and Carolina known as Hoyo Mula similar to the Six Run but slower."

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35. hrivera007
"Herminio Román Morales gracias por la información"
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"Thanks for that information"

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36. Emmia B
"Exactly....African Americans are quite confused....especially when it comes to race, ethnicity and nationality....I guess because I'm from the Caribbean I know some black people speak Spanish because their slave masters were Spaniards and other black people speak english because their slave masters were English"

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37. Natchitoches Levi
"Loving this argument lol. People don't realize that Indigenous Blacks are still in Greece and Italy and Sicily. SMH. The total erasure of Black influence just about everywhere. Sad. It is WELL documented like you said...Black Moorish/Hebrew influence on Europe, not just Iberia but in all Europe. People don't know anymore because they don't know history, the arts and only know what they are taught which is essentially a coverup of the facts."

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38. Cubapanablacc
"Natchitoches Levi of course but because whites made it a point to try and degrade us just for being black, we got many of our brothers and sisters out there confused, and trying their hardest to be anything but black. its sad"

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39. Diego Gaud
"Bueno que es ser afro hispano
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"Well, it's about being an Afro-Hispanic"

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40. hector rivera
"To end this great discussion I'm just going to say... I find so Sexy the first Bomba dancing lady."

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41. Reina Mora
"Cubapanablacc Si somos latinos americanos y caribeños no podemos sacar a los Tainos o nativos americanos de nuestra cultura, ellos son la base de nuestra existencia especialmente en Puerto Rico. Unos de nosotros nos veremos más blancos, otros negros, otros más cobrizos como los indígenas y así sucesivamente, pero el junte de todos ellos es lo que somos hoy y en el caso de Puerto Rico tampoco podemos sacar la gran inmigración catalana, italiana a través de los corsos que son de descendencia italiana. franceses, alemanes, ingleses ect Puerto Rico tiene una mezcla genética del mundo entero y debemos sentirnos felices de eso."
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"Cubapanablacc If we are Latin American and Caribbean we can not take the Tainos or Native Americans from our culture, they are the basis of our existence especially in Puerto Rico. Some of us will look more white, others black, others more copper like the Indians and so on, but the reunion of all of them is what we are today and in the case of Puerto Rico we can not get the great Catalan and Italian immigration through Of the Corsicans who are of Italian descent. French, German, English ect Puerto Rico has a genetic mix of the whole world and we should feel happy about it."

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42. Franco Campos
"Agradece que hay tainos sino las mujeres no fueran tan bellas.. las africanas no convencen saludos
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"Thank you that there are Tainos but the women were not so beautiful .. the Africans do not convince greetings"

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43. Cubapanablacc
"Reina Mora no es que queremos a sacar los tainos y los espanoles. solo estamos diciendo don't deny the African parts or try to down play the black role"
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"Not that we want to get the Tainos and the Spaniards. We are just saying don't deny the African parts or try to down play the black role"

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44. Alex James
"+Emmia B. Well in Latin America we are not in denial us Puerto Rican and Dominican and south Central American know that we are all mixed race and don't stick to one like the US so stop your hate and I'm proud to be Latino not black not white not indigenous just Latino with many mix races and Beautiful culture and our people of all color fought together!!! So keep that racist mentally away"

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45. Emmia B
"+Alex James ...what are you talking about???...stop the hate?...who is hating?...a lot of you guys are confused....and at the end of the day latino is not a race...its an ethnicity where different races of people share the same culture...lets not sit here and act like some of the poorest people in latin america and latin Caribbean arent the poorest of the poor because of tgeir race...so lets not sit here and act like "race" isnt a thing in latin America and everybody is holding hands sing kumbaya...like I said before some of you guys are in denial...accept the truth and move on...thank youuuuu!!!"

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46. Alex James
"Emmia B. 🚫👎🏾😒😡Where you from???? In Latin American hunny people don't care about race because they are fuxking mix so they dont thinks about race, unlike the f---king* racist blacks and whites of the United States and until Latins come to this country you see color!! Even if your mix child in the United States that's irrelevant you are not consider mix you are consider black!!! Latins don't care for race they all share a bit of every race and make one beautiful culture!!! Of all colors!! You are full of hate there nothing wrong with expressing a single race out your mixture but denying the fact that majority of Latino are either mestizo, mulatos, or Creoles is like a stab in the culture where as a group of people we have face poverty together no matter the race!!! But people like you from US who are brainwash can't see mixture just race and division that's whats wrong with y'all. so sip on your cup of coffee and sip it slow!!! I'm Dominican/Nicaraguan from my dad and my mom is Puerto Rican/colombian in blood flows a beautiful culture and long history of my people of all races! i live in miami you see the beauty in diversity but i guess you cant so Byeee ✌🏾️"

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46. Emmia B
"+Alex James ...lol...didnt read your whole story book...gtfoh with everyine is mixed and they dont see race in latin america...lmao...non black latinos are some of the most racist people in the world...you are one of the in denial ones Im talking about...boy bye!!!!"

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47. Alex James
"Emmia B. Read it hoe get educated. bye racist!!! You will die in your hate and when you get old you will see that you were just a spec on this planet you can die being black or white and no one would care bye ✌🏾️✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾"

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48. Emmia B
"+Alex James ...how am I being racist?...you should look up the meaning of racism or a racist ...clearly you dont know what you are talking about on any subject...Im a hoe?...lol...YOU also need to look up the definition of that...yes...we are all just a spec..but the concept of race is an issue on earth...and people are treated good or bad depending on their race...so lets again not live in denial...but...accept the truth and fix it...bye Mr. Delusional!!!"

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49. Alex James
"Emmia B. Bye keep living with your prejudice eyes they won't take you anywhere ✌🏾️"

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50. Emmia B
"+Alex James ...oh now Im prejudice...I see you went and looked up the definition of racism...lol...you are a joke!!!...I will keep living with my eyes open...Im not colour blind or race blind...I see and I am aware of what goes on in the world and around me...and I will work hard to help change the horrible things that go on because some people think that black is less than...so thank you...and you keep living with blinders over your eyes...that helps no one in the long run... you are good at being delusional, I'll give you that....congrats!!!!"

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51. Alex James
"+Emmia B. I didn't read your fictional story and I bet your not even Latin try to go Latin America there's no fully white people of anything they make 1 percent of the population in most Latin country they are mix ignorant racist loser I bet you are an American black full of hate towards whites and have the need to divide Latins to also join your hatred views, whatever your sad bye ✌🏾️ 🖕🏽👏🏾✋🏾

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52. Emmia B
"+Alex James .....I guess the afro latinos Ive met are liars and what Ive seen in documentaries are all made up...and Im not American by the way...you just keep getting things wrong Alexandra"

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53. Alex James
"+Emmia B. You don't sounds like you been to Latin countries it seems you get your facts from mouth and please tell me where the Afro Latinos friends are from that you know?... I guaranteed you that they are mix with other races my point exactly the Caribbean most Dominicans and Puerto Rican are creole and mulatos while Cuban mostly mulatos they make most of the population creole are Taino Indian aka Native American, blacks, and white mix together, most south and centra american country have meztizo which is white and Native American and creole people as well also many which are mix other indigenous population the only Latin American country predominantly white with some meztizo are Argentinas. Latinos are so mix that there ancestral lineage is so diverse. I'm Latino and I might not be classify as a separate race for you but I'm sure a total different culture and history and race is so unimportant from you. maybe you should meet more Latino people and see how diverse and multi color and unique the family structure is damn and if you can't go to Latin American come to "Miami Florida" I live here is practically Latino American of the United States! Bye boo ✌🏾️✋🏾👍🏾"

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54. Emmia B
"+Alex James ...blah..blah...blah...i ain't reading that sh&t.*"

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54. Alex James
"+Emmia B. Didn't read your sh&t* bye ✌🏾️"

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55. Alex James
"+Emmia B. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾✌🏾️"

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56. Emmia B
"+Alex James ...bye Alexandra!!...lol"

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57. Alex James
"+Emmia B. Bye 👏🏾✌🏾️"

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58. Kiki Learns Languages
"It actually wasn't. The Caribbean and South American slaves were worked to death and new Africans were shipped in by the abolishment of slavery around the world (at different times) the slaves were newcomers. Gullah black Americans have more of their African heritage because they lived on isolated Sea islands with no bridges. The same with blacks in Lousiana voodoo, red rice ---a derivative of African jollof rice."

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59. Emmia B
"+Kiki Learns Languages ....uhmmm...caribbeans held on to a bit more african culture...they held on to some of their folk
dancing...music...language...food...I see what you are saying though about those certain parts that you mentioned"

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60. Emmia B
"+Kiki Learns Languages ...I never knew they had red rice that is derivative of jollof rice...I learned something new"

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61. Dia Nuevo
"Cubapanablacc survived? mi hermano si esto es tradicion boricua, herencia de nuestros ancestros. Esto es música que vive en nosotros , herencia que celebramos con gozo. en fin parte de nuestro diario vivir.
y ninguna invasión, de ningun lado va cambiar eso.

boricuas de pura cepa."
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"My brother if this is tradition boricua, inheritance of our ancestors. This is music that lives in us, an inheritance that we celebrate with joy. In part part of our daily life.
And no invasion, nowhere will that change.

Boricuas of pure strain."

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62. Dia Nuevo
"Espanol Guerra exacto en Puerto Rico, somos boricuas, y con tan solo una herencia la puertorriqueña, nacida de la mezcla de la cultura africana con la taina y la española. pero en fin es puertorriqueña, boricua.

en esta isla no nos diferenciamos como blancos o negros , o afro latinos, o latinos. No, en esta isla TODOS, somo Borinqueños.
y la bomba y plena, es nuestra herencia."
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"Espanol Exact war in Puerto Rico, we are Puerto Rican, and with only a Puerto Rican heritage, born of the mixture of African culture with Taino and Spanish. But in the end it is Puerto Rican, Puerto Rican.

On this island we do not differentiate ourselves as whites or blacks, or Afro Latinos, or Latinos. No, on this island, everyone is Borinquen.
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63. Dia Nuevo
"Emmia B white latino? thats the most retarded thing i have heard. latino is still latino regarsless of skin tone.
the same way, el boricua es boricua sin importar el color de piel."
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Boricua is boricua regardless of skin color"
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64. Emmia B
"+Dia Nuevo ..uhmmm...skin tone?...race, is more like it...latino is not a race...its an ethnicity in which different races share the same culture...please...and the white people from spain who brought over african slaves and forced the indigenous americans to speak spanish and follow their white culuture...so yes...i meant white latino...stfu, if you dont even know your own history"

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65. Alex James
"+ Emmia B. You just full of hate hunny in the end of the day hunny we die and we are just all dust so suck on that 😂"

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66. Alex James
"Cubapanablacc. 👍🏼"

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67. Gloria Cunningham
"Cubapanablacc you right my brotha"

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68. Dreadman LV
"To those saying afro Americans lost there African culture this is not true. It just came in a more dicreet compared to our brothers and sisters in the Carribean and South/central America when you look at our way speaking for example Black Vernacular English(Ebonics) that is African in influence when you look at music like early acoustic blues they way they play the guitar, that has African influence even bluegrass music which has the banjo which is an African instrument(look up the banja and akonting) and also soul food which is very similar to cuisine eaten in West African countries like Ghana. And not forget the black church and how worship and music is done VERY AFRICAN it's just through the prism of a strong European dominance so it doesn't show as pronounced as day in Puerto Rico our Cuba."

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69. ubapanablacc
"Dreadman LV look at the youth of African Americans in the U.S. now. most watching things like this laugh and make fun of it. how do I know? I was born and raised in N.Y. and live in the south and when ni&&as* see this they laugh and start saying a bunch of bullsh&t*. in the Caribbean most of those African dialects are still spoken amongst the communities where a lot of them were pushed to reside. I don't see any youths dancing conga or playing drums or even wanting to participate in any event. the reason is here in the U.S blacks have been conditioned to be more like Europeans."

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70. Dreadman LV
"Cubapanablacc My brother that is because unfortunately there has been a disconnect especially more so today with AA youth they don't recognize there own culture in front of them but some do. but you also have to see at least to me many of my brother s and sisters through out the diaspora create a speeration as well which I think comes from having too much National pride and not recognizing that have a shared culture with AA here. And again because how slavey was in the United States especially the denial of the drum made alot of our culture come less pronounced than in Cuba and Puerto Rico. I'd say as much as the AA here need to recognize their culture in Afro Latin diaspora the Afro Latinos should learn research and see the African roots here in the USA"

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71. Dreadman LV
"Cubapanablacc Also I'm an AA who is a n aspiring Percussionist (Congas etc) that has a strong interest in Afro-Latin music so not all don't realize the connection"

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72. Cubapanablacc
"Dreadman LV that's just it. when you speak to most AA's here in the U.S. for the most part they don't recognize afro-Latinos as being family and that stems from years of conflict. when a black man such as myself starts speaking Spanish in front of African Americans, the first thing they say is Ohh I thought you were black. my response always is I am black, me speaking another language doesn't change my race, but a lot not all but majority especially here in the south don't seem to understand that"

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73. Kiki Learns Languages
"Some black Latinos say they are not a color they are Dominican, Puerto Rican etc. Many Latinos get upset if you claim them as black. There are some Latinos in America who don't think black Latinos exist. This Afro-Panamanian Youtuber said Latinos never believe she is Latina and ask her why she has pelo malo if she's Latina. Another Afro-Venezuelan said people ask her to prove it by speaking Spanish. Another Colombiana said it was the same, people don't believe she's Latina and she moved to the USA when she was 12.
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74. Dreadman LV
"Cubapanablacc It's just ignorance and of lack of knowledge. But it up to you and me and others to help educate and bridge the gap and not separate. You to remember these or ppl who only grew up around those like themselves and there only exposure to Latin culture was most likely not Afro Latino"

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75. Cubapanablacc
"Kiki Learns Languages you're definitely right about that, but that's why people like me are here to make sure we all understand that we aren't really different despite a language"

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76. Cubapanablacc
"Dreadman LV definitely bro 100%."

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77. Joseph C. Lee
"Cubapanablacc We don't know because we are innocently ignorant about this, the way many non African Americans are unaware of U.S. slavery and the Black codes and Jim crow. This is why we need to unite by race instead of limiting ourselves by ONLY identifying with just our ethnicities."

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78. Dreadman LV
"Joseph C. Lee completely agree. And Would be Nationality not ethnicty."

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79. Kiki Learns Languages
"I'm not. AA have to want to learn."

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80. spanish rampage
"just one guy made that comment and now you're generalizing? how do you know the guy who made that comment is a white latino...now i'm SMH"
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81. Alex James
"Kiki Learns Languages. F---K* READ GURL🚫😡👎🏽You are so wrong! You want latinos to say so bad that they are black but they can't claim to there Native American side either or white side? Latinos don't even say they are white that's bullsh&t* the reason why here in the us latinos say they are are put as white is because in the US we live a system of race black and white Americans only care about race so when Latinos started coming to the US they didn't know where to categorize them so they were automatically categorize as white in ballots. But if you even go to Latin America Is not that they are IGNORANT is that race is not a big part of the culture all Latino are so multiracial that claiming as only black insults your history Latinos are more than a race we are define as a culture as a whole single group of people. Black American so racist just as white Americans your hate has blind and even if a child here is born biracial he will be just known as a black child wherever he goes. Latinos do have a preferences in lighter skin but that's in every group of color people asians, Indians, naive Americans and even African blacks always prefer lighter skin individuals so don't come at me saying Latinos ignore darker skin Latinos they chose to f---k* whoever they choose and that's not your choice you can't sit behind a computer and expect to make a change by demanding Latinos to choose darker people when Jamaican and African also choose lighter individual evens African Americans it can be because of Colonialism or it can be due that usually workers work in the sun and are darker and rich people are lighter cuz they work indoors even Asian did that so whatever the reason Latinos don't proclaim as black white or Native American which most are mix to we just say we are Latinos we don't fit with black Americans or white American why cuz Latinos have there own culture music language and it has divided us stop trying to win a battle of hate cuz you only have hate in your heart, trust me girl white people are not out to kill you so chill ✌🏽"

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82. spanish rampage
"you know something, before there were any Africans in North America they were already living in the Carribean, so there is a longer history of Africans in the carribean. And do you know that there is no one word in Spanish to degrade a black person, you know words like ni&&e*r ect, there are quite a few in the English"

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83. Kiki Learns Languages
"Well I know black Colombians in Colombia. They are putting up black power signs and wearing dashikis and many have kinky type 4 hair. I speak to one daily. All latinos are not mixed some are 80% African."

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84. Alex James
"Kiki Learns Languages. Have you seen the population yes they are who are not mix but they make up less than %10 if not less of the population there's also full whites in Colombians and full indigenous native Americans tribes so what's your point??? I didn't see no point in your comment just cuz you talk to a black Colombian doesn't give you a whole spectrum of all Latinos try to come to Miami here with have Latin from everywhere Cubans, Dominicans, Puerto Rican's, Colombians, Nicaraguan, Guatemalans, Hondurans, Peruvians and more yes there full blacks full white and full indigenous but they don't make most of the population even in Dominican Republic most Dominicans have white ancestry and a bit of Taino Indian Native American just like the puerto Ricans but puerto ricans have more Native American ancestry but most Latin are not concern like you about race cuz it's not important in Latin America most are poor and family all have all type of shades of color one of my cousin she's really black while my my other cousins she's very white and most are shades of brown and it doesn't mean I'm going to start picking sides proclaiming as white, black or Native I'm just Latinos we are the future and you hate will one day end when everyone is like Latinos mix to the point where race is a thing of the pass until than while you think you bringing peace you only diving and creating more hate ✌🏽"

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85. Christine Nieves
"Cubapanablacc exactly the Black Moors ruled Europe for 700 years.."

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86. Emmia B
"+Alex James ...bullsh&t!!!*"

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87. Christine Nieves
"Alex James Cre·ole
ˈkrēˌōl/Submit
noun
1.
a person of mixed European and black descent, especially in the Caribbean."

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88. Dia Nuevo
"Kiki Learns Languages because all puertorican are and treat eachother like puerto ricans, and so do dominicans. We are way passed race issues, we are all brothers.
maybe Americans of the USA should learn that."

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89. Christine Nieves
"Dia Nuevo not true.. Puerto Ricans always degrade persons of color. Please my father had an afro and talked sh&it* about Black Americans. I'm like dude look in the Mirror."

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90. Emmia B
"+Dia Nuevo ..thats not true!!!"

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91. Alex James
"Emmia B. Yea go always don't reply my stuff you are full of hate and a racist I don't talk to people who have no sense of mind you keep trolling this comments like its your job"

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92. Alex James
"Christine Nieves. Latinos, Haitians, and even African talk about about black American why???? Tell me why? Because of the way they act don't act here that only Latinos talk sh&t* about blacks that's not true blacks in the US are mostly the once you see in tv of doing crime so generally people try not to associate with black Americans even other black ethnicities themselves It has to do wok culture not color learn the difference so do me a favor and look at yourself in the mirror"

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93. Alex James
"Christine Nieves. First creole means mixture doesn't have to be race, example Haitians speak creole because is a mixture of French and African language. Mulatos means between black and white race, mestizo means between Native Americans and white and creole talking about race means all mixture I can tell your not Latino you didn't know that common terminology next time do a little more research. And I'm not trying to hate but Latin are not even worry about racial issues cuz everyone is f--king* mix

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94. Dreadman LV
"Alex James That's the problem they take what they see through media as the absolute truth instead of being open and trying learn about the AA culture and see the connection"

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95. spanish rampage
"+Kiki Learns Languages the ones you see on this video are direct desendants of Africa, they're from the town of Loiza."

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96. Christine Nieves
"Alex James my father's dead but that's how a lot of Puerto Ricans think. I really could care less. I am proud of my culture it is rich and vibrant. I don't need to look in the mirror because I am not ashamed of my color. Good day... Think positive.."

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97. Christine Nieves
"Alex James I'm Puerto Rican. First generation born in Chicago. look up the definition of the meaning of Creole."

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98. Alex James
"Christine Nieves. I already gave you the definition of creole I even gave you example do you want the me to use in a sentence?. If you Puerto Rican how you don't know what's creole, mestizo or even multalos but let me stop explaining usually ignorance doesn't admit his ignorance, i didn't really see you point with you defining what's creole. Which is also a language of Haiti which means mix. Check please ✌🏽"

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99. Alex James
"Christine Nieves. I'm proud to Hispanic but don't retract from what you said you said he complain about blacks people in my family we have all shades of colors even my dark skin relatives complain about African Americans is not there skin color is the way blacks in the US are raised, Haitians And Nigerians are black there parents are strict and they don't like to be associated with African Americans because is more culture and not of color. Do you understand? Don't sit back and act like Latin people hate blacks we just don't want to be associate with a culture difference from ours where there kids are raised different Latinos have a more strong family structure than African American that's why many are here racist blacks who want Hispanic so bad to admit that they African when Hispanic know they are dark skin but also have light skin people in the family we don't choose race or color like the racist Americans we have go beyond that. In my family I have dark skin cousins light cousins and brown skins cousins I'm not going to sit back and choose a side to please the racist people"

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100. Joseph C. Lee
"Alex James Perdón. Yoi lnow nothing about black people in America. So unless you working to eradicate the damage we have been through, keep your thoughts to yourself. I am glad your culture is intact to an extent. We would be killed practicing our native culture. Our tongues would we be ripped out if we spoke our native languages. Please research and educate yourself and stop being indoctrinated."

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101. Christine Nieves
"Joseph C. Lee truth.. People only know half truths... You are correct. I'm so sick of the lies"

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102. spanish rampage
"+Joseph C. Lee c'mon stop with the exaggerations...who'd rip your tongue out huh??,"

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103. Alex James
"Joseph C. Lee. 😡🚫🚫👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽Ohhh wow tell me what black American go through please tell me ??? Go ahead educate me!! Don't tell me slavery because your ancestor just like mines when thought it so don't give me that bullsh&t* what black American go through in in US don't tell me kill by cops when more white males are kill by cops but the media doesn't say that sh&t* cuz it doesn't give them rating, when more American blacks commit more crime than any other "ethnicities" black Americans are lazy as f--k* and racist they want Hispanic to join there army of hate! Listen Latinos are mix many ancestors of slaves as well and they come to this country the United States poor and work hard to make to school even if its its illegal while blacks get all type of benefits but that's not enough to so please tell me your struggle go ahead. Latinos and Haitians come come to this country and work hard to be successful Latinos and Haitians have tight family structure which American blacks are single parent who just complain that the government doesn't support y'all and when someone ask what's your struggle you can't even give me 1 f--king* reason"

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104. Alex James
"Joseph C. Lee. Like my last comment said it all educate me give 1 reason go ahead"

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105. Joseph C. Lee
"Alex James Lol. Bye Alex. You don't know anything about my ancestors. We are our ancestors (look up epigenetics and transgenerational trauma), it is not my job to educate you. No one educated me. I educated myself with the guidance of my ancestors drawing me to people and books and so on that have opened my eyes. Also, how do you know so much about the American FBI statistics saying that black people do more violence (actually based on the FBI website white people do more crime). At the end of the day please go be humble and sit down. I'm not trying to entertain anyone who is indoctrinating fallacies while he or she doesn't even have a picture up. 🙄Bye! 👋🏿

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106. Alex James
"Joseph C. Lee. Yea you want to tell people what to believe but can't answer a f--king* question or give an explanation I'm not not sitting entertaining someone unlike I educate idiots who are Blind in there hate towards white people that need approval to move ahead in life. Stop acting like your going through slavery because you have no idea what your ancestors when thought slavery wasn't last week so stop saying that's your struggle!!! I came from ancestors who were also slaves as well and I don't let that shit put me down its not a peddle stone for white people to feel sorry for me!!! Yes black Americans commit more crime don't even look at statistic just turn on your news and see who is robing places and killing there own fellow blacks! Exactly!!! You act like white people are killing you when more blacks kill blacks!! But your lazy ass can't educate yourself because you are so busy watching CNN news and burning streets and defending criminals!!"

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107. Dia Nuevo
"Christine Nieves so now i degrade my own black mother and she degrades herself huh? dont be atupid, in PR we are so mixed that a light skin kid will have a dark skin mom, is very normal.

and aure we make fun of each other, but in the end of the day we all treat eachother like puertoricans. so dont talk bs. in puerto rico we are all boricuas."

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108. Dia Nuevo
"Christine Nieves yoy are talking bullsh&t* without wver having lived in the island."

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109.Joseph C. Lee
"Alex James Lol. How ignorant you are. 😭😭😭😭"

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110. Unicorn Tacos
"I am so glad to see that there are some Afro-Latina/o that actually accept their African roots. Alot of them like to avoid it. "

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111. Unicorn Tacos
"Michael Perez Please stop spreading false info."

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112. spanish rampage
"+Unicorn Tacos not all dark skinned latinos have African DNA, my family comes from the mountain town of Corozal, our roots are Taino and Spanish no African DNA. A good half of my family are Dark skinned from my mothers Taino/Spanish side and the other half are white or light skinned coming from my fathers Spanish side. Back in the day there was no use for African slaves in the mountain towns since the farmers were very poor and tradicionally the farms were family run and worked. Africans mostly populated the costal towns where the sugarcane and tabacoo plantations were located. Maybe if there was a wealthty hacienda owner in the mountain range areas he had African servants but that was rare because Taino women were more likely used as servants. I can't claim what i'm not."
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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams posts points out the close similarities between a text (word) version of an old children's foot stomping cheer with two texts and video examples of Virginia State University (VSU)'s often imitated stomp & shake cheer "Who Cheers The Best". Given those similarities, dependent on their composition dates, it seems likely to me that a version of this children's cheer is the source for VSU's cheer.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, cultural, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the Virginia State University Woo Woo cheerleaders who are featured in this post's embedded video. Hat tip to Ebony Janice Peace. the publisher of a YouTube video about Black children's rhymes, and hat tip to Nikkole Salter, a commenter on that video's discussion thread in 2015 whose comment I've highlighted in this post.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE:
Whenever the spirit moves me, I visit YouTube in search of examples of specific categories of children's rhymes and cheers, or examples of specific rhymes or cheers. Yesterday, I happened upon this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfzHL_1PdbY
Let's Discuss: Black Girl Childhood Hand Games and Sing Songs") published by Ebony Janice Peace, Published on Aug 4, 2014. In that video Ebony Janice Peace discusses her memory of children's hand clap rhymes and marvels about how so many of the same rhymes are known and performed by Black girls throughout the United States. Ms. Peace also discusses in that video how some of those rhymes from her childhood and some contemporary Black girls rhymes have inappropriate lyrics.

As a collector of African American children's rhymes and cheers I was interested in hearing Ms. Peace's opinions on this subject. And I was delighted to read several examples of rhymes and cheers that were posted by commenters in that video's discussion thread. As it turns out, I had forgotten that I had watched this video before and had previously added some examples from that video's discussion thread to my collection of what I refer to as "foot stomping cheers", including the examples that Ms. Salter had posted. Here's Nikkole Salter's comment from that discussion thread:

"This is an L.A. perspective:... This first one is not so much a hand game as much as it is a cipher: You know, I shake the best, hey, hey/ You know, from the east to the west! My name's (enter your name) and my favorite color's black (or whatever color you like) / I took your man and you won't get him back, hey hey / You know, I shake the best, hey, hey/ You know, from the east to the west! (and every person gets a chance, state your color and your bravado in rhyme)... Then there was this other call & response cipher (which I don't hear too many people mention outside my generation and region)... Tether ball, tether ball/Oosha, asha!/Tether ball, tether ball/Oosha, asha! My name's (enter your name) (tether ball), super cool, (tether ball) You mess with me (tether ball) You's a fool (tether ball) I got this man (tether ball) On my mind (tether ball) You mess with him (tether ball) Your butt is straight up mine. Oooh. Tether ball, tether ball/Oosha, Asha! etc. -- You make up your own rhyme of bravado...

Unfortunately, Ms. Salter didn't include which decade these examples come from. However, her comment that few people "outside of her generation" know these examples suggests that they probably come from the 1990s, or earlier. I've collected three examples of "Tether Ball" -including Ms. Salter's example- and each of these examples are from Los Angeles California. A woman who shared an example of "Tether Ball" on my no longer active cocojams website indicated that she remembered it from the early 1990s. It's reasonable to assume that the other cheer that "You know, I Share The Best" is also from the 1990s. I haven't found any other children's cheer with those words except those cheers that are patterned after Virginia State University's stomp & shake cheer "Who Cheers The Best".

Compare both of these examples below.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/09/foot-stomping-cheers-alphabetical-list_22.html Foot Stomping Cheers Alphabetical List (P- Z)

Also, click Here's an excerpt from https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/05/an-overview-of-foot-stomping-cheers.html and https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/05/overview-of-stomp-shake-cheerleading.html

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CHILDREN'S FOOT STOMPING CHEER - "YOU KNOW, I CHEER THE BEST"
You know, I shake the best,
hey, hey/
You know, from the east to the west!
My name's (enter your name)
and my favorite color's black (or whatever color you like)/
I took your man and you won't get him back,
hey hey /
You know, I shake the best,
hey, hey/
You know, from the east to the west!


(and every person gets a chance, state your color and your bravado in rhyme)...
-Nikkole Salter (Los Angeles, California), comment in discussion thread for vlog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfzHL_1PdbY
Let's Discuss: Black Girl Childhood Hand Games and Sing Songs")
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I reformatted this example from sentence form to line form.

Nikkole Salter introduced this cheer by saying "This first one is not so much a hand game as much as it is a cipher". I also want to highlight her points that these were "call and response ciphers", that "every person gets a chance, state your color and your bravado in rhyme", and that "you said your name" and "make up your own rhyme of bravado". These descriptions fit the conclusions that I've made about the recreational sub-category of children's cheers that I refer to as "foot stomping cheers". Prior to some of these cheers being adapted by mainstream children's cheerleading squads, these cheers were usually informally performed by two or more African American girls between the ages of 5-12 years who were pretending to be cheerleaders. "Traditionally", these call & response cheers had one soloist for each iteration. At the "end" of the cheer, the group repeated the complete cheer with a new soloist and this pattern continued until every person in the group had an equal turn as the soloist. (Notice Nikkole Salter's comment that "every person gets a chance, state your color and your bravado in rhyme".

In contrast, the stomp & shake cheer "Who Cheers The Best" isn't a call & response cheer, but is chanted by the squad in unison.

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VIRGINIA STATE UNIVERSITY CHEER WHO CHEERS THE BEST

VSU Woo Woo's 2008 "Who Shakes The Best"



BlaWaiian2008, Published on Mar 17, 2013

VSU Cheerleaders (Virginia State University)
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Here's the words to that cheer:
Shake it to the east.
Shake it to the west.
It really doesn't matter who shakes the best.
Shake it to the east.
Shake it to the west.
It really doesn't matter who shakes the best.
Shake it to the east.
Shake it to the west.
Cause everybody knows that we shake the best.
-Virginia State University Woo Woos, transcribed by Azizi Powell from the video.
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In a 2011 video of the Woo Woos performing "Who Shakes The Best" the words are slightly changed, but the routine is basically the same. Here's that text example and that video:

VSU Woo Woo (Who shakes Da Best)



TrueVSU1882 Published on Mar 31, 2011

WHO SHAKES DA BEST [version #2)
Shake it to the east.
Shake it to the west.
It really doesn't matter who shakes the best.

Shake it to the east.
Shake it to the west.
It really doesn't matter who shakes the best.

Ah hey!
'Cause we shake the best
Everybody knows that we shake the best
To the East.
To the West.
Shake it!
-from VSU Woo Woo (Who shakes Da Best video, Mar 31, 2011,
This is my transcription of that cheer from that video

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The earliest example of this stomp & shake cheer that I've found is a 2007 video of a Virginia high school cheerleading squad (Prince Edward High School's Sassys) performing "We Shake The Best"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jnwq5Pq40A SASSY (We Shake The Best). The words to that cheer are the same as the words to "Who Shakes The Best".

Several commenters writing in the discussion thread noted that that squad learned that cheer from the Virginia Woo Woos at cheer camp & because their cheerleader was a member of the Woo Woo squad.

Here's that video: Prince Edward High School, Virginia - "We Shake The Best"



Uploaded by woowooworkit on Feb 17, 2007
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Prince Edward High School, Virginia (Sassy cheerleaders, 2007 (This is a Virginia State University cheer that this squad learned by attending the cheer camp conducted by the VSU Woo Woo cheerleaders).

Notice that the name of the publisher of that video refers to the "Woo Woos".

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PANCOCOJAMS CONCLUDING NOTE:
In addition to the similar titles, the old children's cheer (that Nikkole Salter referred to as a "cipher") and VSU's stomp and shake cheer have
1. very similar titles
2. references to "the east and the west"

I don't know when the cheer "You Know, I Shake The Best" was first chanted, or when Virginia State University (VSU) first performed their stomp & shake cheer "Who Shakes The Best". My position is that it's likely that someone from VSU's Woo Woo squad creatively adapted this children's cheer. I'm not sure that VSU's Woo Woos are happy aabout this, but currently it seems that their "Who Cheers The Best" cheer has become one of the most imitated stomp & shake cheers today by high school, middle schools, and community stomp & shake cheerleader squads as well as by mainstream children's cheerleader squads that incorporate modified stomp & shake cheers and movements into their repertoires.

If you know this children's cheer, for the folkloric record, please share the example that you know, along with when you learned it (the decade) and the city/state where you learned it in the comment section below. Thanks!

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part I of a two part pancocojams series on the Caribbean song and hand clap rhyme "Four White Horses".

This post presents selected comments from Mudcat folk music discussion thread and from other online sources about the origin of the song/rhyme "Four White Horses". Text (word only) examples of this song's lyrics are also included in this post.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/07/videos-of-four-white-horses-caribbean.html for Part II of this series. Part II showcases five video examples of "Four White Horses" hand clap rhymes. The Addendum to this post provides several suggested performance instructions for this hand clapping game.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, cultural, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composers of "Four White Horses" and thanks to all those who have collected this song. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE-
Judging from its presence on the internet-including lyrics pages, questions about its origin and meaning, and YouTube videos, the song "Four White Horses" appears to be relatively familiar in the United States, at least compared to many other Caribbean songs. Although there is general agreement that "Four White Horses" is a Caribbean song, some websites give its origin as the United States Virgin Islands while others indicate that this song comes from Jamaica. Given the number and quality of the sources that say that this song is from the United States Virgin Island, I believe that origin is the correct one.

"Four White Horses" is described as an "old Caribbean song". Since that song has no known composers and no known composition date (or even century or decade that I've found), it can properly be considered a "traditional" Caribbean song and a "folk song". I have, however, found two collection dates for this song: Floice Lindgren Lund, Virgin Islands, 1960 http://kodaly.hnu.edu/song.cfm?id=723 and Karen Ellis, 1976 on St. Croix, United States Virgin Island http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=9634.

In addition, this comment about the collection of the song "Four White Horse" was posted to a YouTube discussion thread for a video of that hand clap rhyme: "elorenz57, June 2017: "Lois Choksy, the amazing Kodaly music educator who taught at the University of Calgary for many years, collected this song and game from the Caribbean island where she had a home..."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqr44wfy9lA

As is the case with most if not all folk songs and rhymes, there are many different versions of "Four White Horses" and there are various meanings that have been attributed to this song's (rhyme's) lyrics.
I'm not interested in judging whether one version or another is correct or incorrect. However, it seems to me that it might be possible to determine which versions may be older than others, if not "the oldest known" versions. And it also seems to me that it's appropriate to speculate about the early origins of this folk song whether those speculations can be proven or not.

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SELECTED COMMENTS ABOUT "FOUR WHITE HORSES" FROM MUDCAT DISCUSSION THREAD
From http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=9634 Four White Horses??

Pancocojams Editor:
These selected comments are numbered for referencing purposes only.

1.
"Subject: Four White Horses??
From: Cleo
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 01:05 AM

I once heard a group of kids sing this song...
Four white horses on the river,
aye, aye, aye, up tomorrow,
up tomorrow is a rainy day.
Come and join our shadow play.
Shadow play is a ripe banana,
aye, aye, aye, up tomorrow,
up tomorrow is a rainy day.
I just wondered where it came from and if it's only supposed to be a nonsense song, or it actually means something. Any help?

Thanks, Cleo"

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2.
"Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,Sheila
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 01:36 PM

Karen Ellis collected this in 1976 on St. Croix, USVI. A live sound field recording was made and submitted to the Folk Archive at the Library of Congress at that time. The words at that time were:
4 white horses on a rainbow
Hey hey hey up tomorrow
Up tomorrow is a rainy day
Come on out and let's shadow play
Shadow play is a ripe banana
Hey hey hey up tomorrow. (a salty sexy rhyme).
Still another version goes "4 white horses on the river" and "Come on up to the shallow bay/ Shallow bay is a ripe banana.""

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3.
"Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 04:01 PM

Here are the original lyrics to the song:

Four white horses, on the river,
hey, hey, hey, up tomorrow.
Up tomorrow is a rainy day,
come on up to the shallow bay.
Shallow bay is a ripe banana,
up tomorrow is a rainy day!

It is an old carribean folk song"

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4.
"Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,Ripe Banana
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 04:48 AM

This jaunty tune actually originated in 1963 in the Caribbean, and is closer to the version posted by Cleo:

Four white horses, on the river
Aye, aye, aye, up tomorrow
Up tomorrow is a rainy day
Come on and join the Shadow Gay
Shadow Gay in the last cabana
Aye, aye, aye, up tomorrow
Bite my banana."

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5.
"Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Four White Horses
From: MickyMan
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 06:25 PM

When I learned this children's game in the late 70s as a graduate level music educationn student at the Kodaly Musical Training Institute, we were told that the "up tomorrow" was derived from an erlier lyric of "hope tomorrow". These Kodaly Method people sourced their stuff bigtime ... and the lyric makes more sense when you know this. I taught it as a children's clapping game song similar to the one listed earlier. I'll bet there are many variants, one for every neighborhood girl gang in the Carribean. Great kid's game song!"

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6.
"Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,k
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 05:35 PM

well im caribbean and it seem to me as if it is said differently then the way i learned it when i was a child for i've learned it as

4 white horses on a rainbow
hey hey hey up tomorrow
up tomorrow is a rainy day
come on down to the shallow bay
a shallow bay is a rotten banana
hey hey hey down tomorrow"

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7.
"Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 05:19 PM

GUESTk, that sure sounds like the folk process at work!"

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8.
"Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 01 Aug 09 - 07:18 AM

This is pure uninformed guesswork, but might the song be descended from a shanty? I've never heard it, but on reading the words one of those 'Sally Brown' sort of tunes seemed to be struggling for utterance.

Could 'Shadow day is a ripe banana' once have been 'Sally Brown's a bright mulatta?'

'Four white horses' appear in versions of 'Jordan', which is sometimes a spiritual and sometimes closer to a shanty.

Valmai"
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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_shanty:
"A shanty (also spelled "chantey,""chanty") is a type of work song that was once commonly sung to accompany labor on board large merchant sailing vessels".

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/04/sally-brown-sally-sue-brown-sea-shanty.html for information about and some examples of "Sally Brown" (also known as "Shallow Brown") shanties.

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9.
"Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: Dave Hunt
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 04:51 AM

I learnt this song in Barbados when I was there a couple of years ago as a visiting artist - looking at how they teach their traditions in school. The words they use are

Three white horses, in a stable
hey hey we go up tomorrow
Up tomorrow at the break of day
Come along with your shallow plate
Shallow plate is a white mulatto
hey hey we go - up tomorrow
Up tommorrow at the break of day
Come along with your shallow plate

Tendency noew to sing green banana in place of white mulsatto - in fact they have fun changing the coloutr of the banana - blue, gold, red, whatever one child shouts out."

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10.
"Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 12:52 PM

Valmai said exactly what I was thinking! I was immediately reminded by

Shallow Bay is a ripe banana

Shadow play is a ripe banana

Shadow Gay in the last cabana


of "Sally (Shallow) Brown is a bright mulatta" and the shanty. Dave's hearing of the song seems to confirm this. I would love to hear the tune this is sung to."

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11.
"Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 16 - 08:02 AM

four white horses
in the stable
hey hey we go
off tomorrow
off tomorrow is a break up day
come along with your shallow plate
shallow plate is a white banana
hey hey we go
off tomorrow"

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COMMENTS ABOUT "FOUR WHITE HORSES" (INCLUDING OTHER LYRIC VERSIONS) FROM OTHER ONLINE SITES

Pancocojams Editor:
These selected comments are numbered for referencing purposes only.

1. From http://www.newworldrecords.org/liner_notes/80427.pdf
"31. FOUR WHITE HORSES ON A RAINBOW
Schoolgirls, St. Thomas, 6/8/82
This hand-clapping game was performed by eight- and nine-year-old girls during recess
at school.

Four white horses on a rainbow,
Eh, eh, eh, up tomorrow,
Up tomorrow is a rainy day,
Come on down to the shadow play,
Shadow play is a ripe banana, Eh, eh, eh, up tomorrow...."
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This is the 31st song that is featured in this pdf file. That file also includes a rather extensive write up about the history of the United States Virgin Island as well as information about certain music forms including "Quadrille", "Masquerades" and "Scratch bands (also called "Fungi music" in the British Virgin
Islands.

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2. From http://www.mamalisa.com/?t=es&p=2200"Four White Horses"
"This is a traditional Caribbean song. In one interpretation, it's about four white horses traveling on a river in a boat or on a barge. It's going to rain the next day, so they'd better come back up river to where it's safe in the shallow bay.

Four White Horses
Hand Clapping Rhyme
Four white horses, on the river,
Hey, hey, hey, up tomorrow,
Up tomorrow is a rainy day.
Come on up to the shallow bay,
Shallow bay is a ripe banana,
Up tomorrow is a rainy day.

Notes
Alternate lyrics:

Four white horses on a rainbow,
Hey, hey, hey, up tomorrow*
Up tomorrow is a rainy day,
Come on down to the shadow play,
Shadow play is a ripe banana,
Hey, hey, hey, up tomorrow.

*"Up tomorrow" may have originally been "hope tomorrow". There are versions with it as "for tomorrow"....
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This page also includes performance instructions. Those instructions are posted in Part II of this pancocojams series.

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3. From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqr44wfy9lA
sysphus13, 2012
"Great video, thanks. Being my kids even thought both of these versions were strange and senseless, as did I , i'm changing it to: Hey, Hey, Hey, Hope tomorrow, hope tomorrow is a rainy day, come on up to the shallow bay, shallow bay has some ripe bananas, hope tomorrow is a rainy day. :)"

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From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqr44wfy9lA
Elorenz57, June 2017
"Lois Choksy, the amazing Kodaly music educator who taught at the University of Calgary for many years, collected this song and game from the Caribbean island where she had a home. The words were: "Come on up to the shallow bay. Shallow bay is a ripe banana, Up tomorrow is a rainy day.""Shallow Bay" was the name of the bay close to her home. It was in the shape of a banana, hence "Shallow bay is a ripe banana."Thought you might be interested in the history of the text. Enjoy."

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This concludes Part I of this pancocojams series on "Four White Horses".

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part Ii of a two part pancocojams series on the Caribbean song and hand clap rhyme "Four White Horses".

This post showcases five videos of "Four White Horses" hand clap rhymes. The Addendum to this post provides several suggested performance instructions for this hand clapping game.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/07/four-white-horses-caribbean-song-hand.html for Part I of this series. Part I presents selected comments from Mudcat folk music discussion thread and from other online sources about the origin of the song/rhyme "Four White Horses". Text (word only) examples of this song's lyrics are also included in this post.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, cultural, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composers of "Four White Horses" and thanks to all those who have collected this song. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post, thanks to all those who are featured in these videos, and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.

PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
Judging from its presence on the internet-including lyrics pages, questions about its origin and meaning, and YouTube videos, the song "Four White Horses" appears to be relatively familiar in the United States, at least compared to many other Caribbean songs. Although there is general agreement that "Four White Horses" is a Caribbean song, some websites give its origin as the United States Virgin Islands while others indicate that this song comes from Jamaica. Given the number and quality of the sources that say that this song is from the United States Virgin Island, I believe that origin is the correct one.

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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
These videos are given in chronological order based on their publishing date on YouTube, with the oldest dated video given first. All of these videos are from the United States.

Example #1: Four White Horses



Vincent Bates Published on Mar 23, 2011

Four white horses on a river. Ay, ay, ay, up tomorrow. Up tomorrow is a rainy day. Come on, join in our shadow play. Shadow play is a ripe banana. Ay, ay, ay, up tomorrow. Up tomorrow is a rainy day

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Example #2: Four White Horses Clapping Games



Julie Jacobsma Published on Nov 3, 2011

6th Graders create 4 or 8-beat clapping patterns to go with the Jamaican song, "Four White Horses" and perform them for the class.

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Example #3: Four White Horses clapping game



Clover Ridge Music, Published on May 19, 2014

Learn the clapping game to the Caribbean folk song, then make up your own pattern!

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Example #4: Four White Horses Clapping Game



Josh Manfroni, Published on Jun 22, 2016

Some of our 2nd grade students demonstrating the clapping game for "Four White Horses." Great job ladies!

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Example #5: 12-9-16 Fabulous Friday Winner



Ms. Flatebo Published on Dec 9, 2016

This is Mrs. Groen's fourth grade class performing "Four White Horses", which is a folk song from the Virgin Islands. This class did a great job learning this tough hand-clapping game. Some of the groups even alternated going over and under with their "high tens".

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ADDENDUM: SUGGESTED PERFORMANCE INSTRUCTIONS
These performance instructions are given in no particular order.
Quote #1:
From http://kodaly.hnu.edu/song.cfm?id=723
"Four White Horses"....

Kodály Center. The American Folk Song Collection ... Four White Horses. Analysis Share .... Collected by Floice Lindgren Lund, Virgin Islands, 1960. Informant

Directions: Two sets of partners form a square ("ones" and "twos"),
each person standing across from his or her partner.
On first 8 beats all clap hands out to the side, clapping each neighbors' palm.
For the remaining 8-beat phrases, the pattern is as follows. (One number = one beat)
1. The "ones" clap partners palms above shoulder level, the "twos" below.
2. All clap own hands together.
3. The "ones" clap partners palms below, and the "twos" above.
4. All clap own hands together.
5. The "ones" clap palms of neighbor on the right, the "twos" to the left.
6. All clap own hands together.
7. Reverse 5. (the "ones" turning to the left, etc.)
8. All clap own hands together"

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Quote #2
From http://www.mamalisa.com/?t=es&p=2200
"Four White Horses

Game Instructions

A Four Player Game

Four kids stand in a cross. Two kids face each other on one line of the cross, while the others face each other on the other line of the cross. One pair claps high in the air and the other pair claps low down. Then they switch.

Clapping Instructions:

On the First 4 Lines: Clap partner's hands, clap your hands, clap partner's hands, clap your hands.

On the 5th line: Go to the side partner - clap side partner's hands, clap your hands.

On the 6th Line: Go to the other side partner - clap side partner's hands, clap your hands."

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases the Bahamian (Caribbean) children's singing game/hand clap rhyme "I Went Up The Hill" (This singing game/rhyme may also be known as "Rock The Cherry".)

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, cultural, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to all those who are featured in the videos that are embedded in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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WARNING: The video given as Example #2 in this post features children performing seductive dances that some people may consider to be unsuitable for children.

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RHYME WORDS
Example #1: I WENT UP ON THE HILL
I Went Up On the Hill
Children's Song
I went up on the hill
With a bucket on my head
The road so rocky
Till my bucket fall down

Rock-a-my-cherry, one two
Rock-a-my-cherry, three four.

From http://www.mamalisa.com/?t=es&p=737
"Many thanks to Josephine Justilien for contributing this song. Thanks so much!"

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Example #2:
I went up on the hill
With a bucket on my head
The road so rocky
Till my bucket fall down
(Rock my cherry)
one and two
(Rock my cherry)
One and two
(Rock my cherry)
three and four
(Rock my cherry)
five and six
(Rock my cherry)
seven and eight
(rock my cherry)
nine and ten
(Rock my cherry)
That’s the end!


Source: This is my transcription of the rhyme that is shown in the video given below as Video Example #1. I couldn't fully decipher the first portion of the rhyme (before the first iteration of the words "Rock my cherry"). Because of that I used the first part of the lyrics given as Example #1 above. I'm confident that the girls chanted those words (or very similar words) because of the words that I understood and because the girls imitative actions fit all of the words to the first part of that rhyme.

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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
Video Example #1: Bahamian Ringplay ("Rock My Cherry"*)



Kimberley Minors Published on Apr 18, 2013
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I'm not familiar with the "I Went Up The Hill" (Rock My Cherry" rhyme being performed in the United States. I think it originated either in the Bahamas or in another Caribbean nation.

*This is my name for this rhyme from a repeated phrase in that rhyme. I've named this video to distinguish it from two other videos published by Kimberley Minor that have the same "Bahamian Ringplay" title:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnSgPM0cqlY. That video features three girls performing a version of the African American originated rhyme "Bang Bang Choo Choo Train" and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0WGQfk-DIo.

The video whose link is given last features four girls performing a version of a singing game that is known as "This a Way Valerie" in the United States, but is called "This a Way A Bellabee" in a documentary on Bahamian game songs (at 18:39 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAGjxqjoCko. "This A Way Valerie" ("This A Way Ballabee") may have originated either in the Caribbean or in the United States (African Americans who may or may not have been of Caribbean descent).

The only "Ringplay" video that Kimberley Minor published on YouTube that includes the title of a ring play is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lpzGSpd5Z8"Bahamian Hand Games/Ringplay: Twe Lee Lee""Twee Lee Lee" (or similarly spelled words) is an African American originated hand clap rhyme that is based on the Pop/R&B song "Rockin Robin". In that video that rhyme is combined with another rhyme whose words I can't fully decipher.

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According to ring play is a "US, Caribbean, African" [term] that refers to "Any of various types of games played in a circle with dance movements and singing."

In the "Bahamian RingPlay" video that is featured in this post, the term "ring play" is used as a general term for children's recreational singing games and rhymes and not just circle games that are performed by people forming a ring (circle).

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Performance Description For Video Example #1:
Pancocojams Editor's Disclaimer:
This description doesn't mean that this is the way that this ring play is always performed.

I'm not very good at describing children's recreational play. Please improve this description. Thanks!

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Bahamian Ring Play "Rock The Cherry" ("I Went Up The Hill")
General description:
Two girls stand in one horizontal line facing two other girls with a little bit of space in between the two lines. The girls stand in place and perform imitative movements while chanting this rhyme.

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Actions for Specific Words & Phrases:
In the beginning of the rhyme, they hold both of their hands to the side of their head and hold their head down in sadness while slightly bouncing up and down to the beat.

When the girls start saying the counting lines, they raise their heads and begin holding up fingers to correspond with the numbers that they say. They continue to stand in place and slightly bounce up and down to the beat without rocking their hips.

After the number five, they hold up both hands and move them back and forth regardless of the numbers that they are saying. They continue to stand in place and slightly bounce back up and down to the beat.

On the line, "and that's the end", they throw both hands up in the air, smiling.

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Video Example #2:Show Me Your Motion Trailer



Ward Minnis Published on Nov 30, 2006

A Trailer for a documentary on Ring play games from the Bahamas. Directed by Ian Strachan.
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Video description (for the "Rock the cherry" portion beginning around .017):
Girls and boys form a large circle with one child in the middle. The middle child moves around the inside of the ring while the other children sing. On the words “rock my cherry”, the middle child moves directly in front someone she or he chooses and does a very seductive wining dance [hip rotating dance while moving up and down]. At the end of that rhyme, the girl she stood in front of becomes the new middle child and the singing game begins from the beginning.

Compare this game song with the African American [?] originated children's singing game "Ride The Pony" that is showcased in this post on my cocojams2 blog: https://cocojams2.blogspot.com/2014/11/little-sally-walker-ride-that-pony_9.html
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Here are three comments from that video's discussion thread:
Ms. Missi, 2010
"WoooooW! Some o'dese lil girls on here too SLACK! We wasn't slack like dat wit our ring play nah! Dey's run rite oat dread! Muddoes! Need dey hip cuttt! LoL! But, some of the clips are "clean" and show the traditional style of Ring Play. Love it. Thanx for posting!
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"Slack" = acting or being "nasty" ("dirty"), in this case, dancing sexually seductively. (noun: "slackness"). The opposite of "slack" is "clean".

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cstar88, 2011
"Ring Play the rite of passage. That was a good documentary. I recorded it a few days ago. If I had the opportunity to play Ring Play and Pawkin again, I would be there. Good job :)
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Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAGjxqjoCko for a link to this complete documentary. Unfortunately, that video has no comments to date. This video features children performing seductive dances that some people may consider to be unsuitable for children.

I don't know what the word "pawkin" means.

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Shan Russell, 2013
"Wow... No wonder we was so wamanish man! Singing dese kinda songs! SMH!!"
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"Womanish" is a term that is (also) used among African Americans (who may or may not be of Caribbean descent). "Womanish" is usually an at least mildly negative adjective that refers to girls acting like they are grown woman. "Manish" is a comparable term for boys who act like they are grown men.

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This is Part I of a two part pancocojams series on text (word only) examples of contemporary Bahamian rings plays (children's singing games and children's hand clap rhymes) that are featured in the 2006 documentary "Show Me Your Motion: The Ringplay Games of The Bahamas" with those examples time stamps from that YouTube video. The YouTube video of that documentary is also included in these posts.

The ring play examples that were included in this post are divided into two pancocojams posts in order pf their appearances in that documentary.

Part I of this series features examples of ring plays from 18:38 to 57:37 of that YouTube video. Prior to 18:38 no examples of ring plays were given.

Part II of this series features examples from 57:40 to the last ring play example that is given in that documentary.

Part I of this posts includes my editorial comments about what I believe is the considerable African American influence on many of these Bahamian ring plays. I've included my brief notations about what I believe are the American "source" rhymes for these featured ring plays.

These posts also include my opinions on certain similarities and differences between the ways that African American (or American and general) and Bahamian (or Caribbean in general) perform children's hand clap rhymes and singing games in general, and in particular as those performance styles refer to specific examples of these featured rhymes/singing games.

The content of this post is presented for historical, folkloric, cultural, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composers of these examples. Thanks also to all those who are featured in this documentary and thanks Ian Strachan, the producer of this documentary and publishers of this video.. Thanks also to all those who were involved in this documentary's production.

WARNING: The showcased documentary video features children performing seductive dances that some people may consider to be unsuitable for children.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Show Me Your Motion: The Ringplay Games of The Bahamas



Ian Strachan, Published on Apr 20, 2017

Show Me Your Motion explores issues of gender, national identity, globalization, class and race in The Bahamas, a prosperous Caribbean nation renowned for its tourism. Producer and Director Ian Strachan addresses these issues through candid, often humorous interviews and live recordings of the ribald children’s songs and dances that are a part of “Ringplay.” Along the way Bahamians of many walks of life weigh in on the issues: artists, politicians, scholars, teachers, and children too. The film, narrated by Strachan, opens with the statement, “I know what the world thinks of The Bahamas; what they see. I know what we sell. The fantasy, the dream of a vacation in Paradise. No rain, no worries . . . But who do we believe we are?”
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A trailer to this documentary video was published on YouTube in 2006 by Ward Minnis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pZssdkl6GE.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTES ON THE PERFORMANCES OF THESE "RING PLAYS" [Revised 7/23/2017
These notes are given in no particular order.

Although the YouTube video "Show Me Your Motion: The Ringplay Games of The Bahamas" was published in July 2017, that documentary was actually filmed in 2006. A trailer of this documentary was published on YouTube on....and I found one online article that refers to this documentary from 2007. here's an excerpt from a September 1, 2007 article entitled "RingPlay - From 'Naughty Johnny' to American apple pie" by Erica Well, Guardian News Editor:
"Show me your motion," the sweet refrain of the classic ringplay "Brown Girl in the Ring", brings back joyous memories for the many Bahamians who played in school yards across the country and delighted in dancing, clapping and belting out the words, "There's a Brown Girl in the ring,

tra, la, la, la, la, and she look like a sugar in a plum, plum, plum.

"Show me your motion" is also the name of a documentary, produced and directed by author and playwright — now filmmaker — Ian Strachan, that uses the popular children's game to examine race, gender and class in The Bahamas.

"I try to use ringplay as a means to talk about Bahamian identity in its various facets," Strachan told Arts&Culture, referring to his film that was released on DVD this week.

"I am trying to tell the story of ringplay, the origin, how it has changed and try to look at it from different aspects, in terms of gender, who plays, what does it mean, how it helps in the formation of the identity of boys and girls."

Strachan interviewed a wide variety of Bahamian and West Indian academics, artists and people who simply performed ringplay as children, and children who continue to carry on the tradition, for the 88 minute documentary.

He also went straight to the source. Strachan visited schools in New Providence, Andros and Grand Bahama, and he was also able to get footage of ringplay in St. Lucia and Trinidad.

And what he found out was very interesting, but not entirely surprising."....
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The story stops there and there's a link to the full story. I tried but couldn't retrieve this full story on 7/21/2017.

Two themes that permeates this documentary is the need to document and celebrate the creativity of Bahamian culture in specific and Caribbean culture in general coupled with concerns that Bahamian/Caribbean culture is being "taken over" by American (United States) culture/s. Here's one quote from that documentary that speaks to that:
Chanti Seymour, Linguistic Professor, College of the Bahamas (at 45:13 in the video):
"The same thing that teenagers were doing in the 50s and 60s, teenagers are doing now. Yet for some reason people are all afraid. They listened to American music. Um what they wore was what was being worn in America. They list.. um they watched American tv shows. The watched American movies. And I think it’s because we’re a little bit more open. The boundaries are more fluid so people are more afraid that maybe that the young people today are taking too much from the American culture.

I still don’t see it as being a problem because it’s not the only way that young Bahamians tend to express themselves.

I don’t even think it’s a preferred way for most young Bahamians."
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Based on my experiences as an African American female, and my decades of observing, collecting, and studying contemporary English language children's rhymes (particularly from African Americans) offline and online [from the mid 1980s to date], it appears to me that one distinct difference in the formation used by Bahamian children (and, perhaps other Caribbean children) and African American children and other American (United States) children while performing hand clap games* is that a group of (mostly) girls perform hand clap rhymes while standing in two horizontal lines facing each other. While this type of formation was used by African American girls in the past*, it's rarely if ever found in the present (perhaps since at least the 1970s.)

Instead of that formation, African American (and other American) children -and teens and adults- who perform hand clap games almost always either perform them as partner games with other partners standing separately, or as a four person unit (made up of two sets of partners). I've noticed this same formation in the showcased Bahamian documentary. In addition, hand clap games are sometimes performed in the United States with three people standing in a triangle formation. That formation wasn't included in the Bahamian documentary, but that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't found in the Bahamas.

*Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2YodFqZ7nQ for a 1967 video of African American girls performing singing games that include the two horizontal lines formation. That video also includes the one person in the middle circle game formation and the criss cross sawing motion that is performed for the (Caribbean originated?) singing game "Here We Go Valerie".

*I differentiate hand clap games from hand slap games which are competitive games that are played by more than four people. People playing these games are either standing or sitting down on the ground. The game participants chant a particular rhyme in unison and -starting with a designated person-one at a time, each participants slaps the hand of the person to her or his right with each word or syllable of words to the rhyme. The person whose hand is slapped at the end of that iteration of the rhyme is out and the rhyme and the hand slapping actions begins from the beginning. This continues until there is only two people remaining in the game. At that point, a two person hand slap activity or some other method is used to determine the winner of the game.

Examples of hand slapping games are found throughout this featured Bahamian ring play documentary. Probably, the most familiar hand slapping game in the United States is "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky", although versions of that singing game are also played as hand clap games. Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aas7bwcjmsi for a video of that hand slap game. Another relatively well known hand slap game is "Stella Ella Ola" (or similarly worded titles). Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYw8wqFK8CY for a video of that hand slap game.

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From my experiences and observations (both from directly performing some of these singing games/rhymes, from in person observations, and from watching YouTube videos), I believe that African American girls dancing while performing circle games don't "wine" and do pelvic thrusts nearly as much as Bahamian girls. That said, I believe that both populations of girls have the same intent- to show off how well they can dance, and to be "sexy" while doing so.

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It appears that the ring games are usually considered girl games in the Bahamas (and in other parts of the Caribbean, the same way that they are considered in the United States. That said, sometimes boys and adult males perform those games -in both the Bahamas and in the United States. {Note the Bahamian example found
at 57:37 of this video and click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUvzIiGuKb4 for a video of the singing game "(Here We Go) Zoodio" that includes African American men.

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The circle (singing game) formation in which one person is in the middle of the circle appears to be the most often used circle formation in the Bahamas and in the United States. "Going To Kentucky" is a well known example of this singing game formation in the United States. From the documentary, it appears that Bahamian children also use the same method of selecting the next person to be the middle person- the middle person closes her (his) eyes while stretching out her (his) hands and turning around pointing at the people forming the ring. The person who is pointed to becomes the new middle person. This method of choosing the middle person wasn't always the way that that person was chosen in the United States* and it probably wasn't the way that the middle person was chosen in the past in the Caribbean.

*Click https://cocojams2.blogspot.com/2014/11/switching-places-ring-games-part-1.html Switching Places Ring Games (Part 1-Description & Other Comments), for information about methods for choosing the middle person.

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The games "Little Sally Walker (Was Walking Down The Street)" and "(Here We Go{ Ride That Pony" are contemporary examples of a circle singing games that are played in the United States in which a middle person dances in front of a person who then becomes the new middle person. I'm not sure if those games came first from the Caribbean or not. Click https://cocojams2.blogspot.com/2014/11/little-sally-walker-ride-that-pony_9.html for examples of those games.

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While watching the "Show Me Your Motion" documentary, it occurred to me that many of the imitative portion of the hand clap games and singing games featured girls standing in place with one hand on their hip while wagging their pointer finger at the person standing in front of them. These assertive and taunting arms akimbo/finger wagging gestures are closely and (I believe) stereotypically associated with Black females. However, I don't think that these gestures are performed by African American girls during imitative recreational play as much as they are performed by Bahamian (and perhaps other Caribbean) girls.

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Although some of the commenters in this documentary discussed their concerns about the globalization of Bahamian culture and some commenters mentioned that they believed that Bahamians may be particularly influenced by the culture of Southern African Americans, this documentary doesn't note how Bahamaian people and other Caribbean people extensively borrowed and adapted African American children's rhymes and singing games. I note this in a lot of my commments, although I don't suggest how this borrowing occurred. However, thanks to YouTube, my guess is that since this documentary was released in 2006 even more Bahamian and other Caribbean ring plays have been influenced by or have their source in African American rhymes and singing games.

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PART I- BAHAMIAN RING PLAYS FROM
Pancocojams Editor's Note:
The words to these ring plays are either from sub-titles that are found in that documentary or from my transcriptions. Additions and corrections are welcome for my transcriptions.

Time stamps that indicate when those examples appear in that YouTube video are included with these examples. These examples also include my brief performance descriptions about these ring plays.

No written performance descriptions and very little narration about performance descriptions beyond comments about the wining [pronounced to rhyme with the English word "line"] (gyrating hip movements and pelvic thrusts) dance movements were included in this documentary.

My comments after the text (words) for these rhymes largely consists of performance descriptions and comparisons between the specific rhyme and African American/other American rhymes. My apologies as Describing game song/ hand clap performances isn't something I do well. Additions and corrections are welcome.

I've assigned numbers to these examples for references purposes only.

EXAMPLES
1. 18:38- 19:08
Oh dis a way a bellebee
Bell bell a bellebee
All night long
So step back sassy
Step back sallassy
Step back sassy
All night long
So walkin t’rough di alley
Walkin t’rough di alley
Walkin t’rough di alley
All night long
I betcha five dollars he is big and bold
To the front to the back
to the si- si- side
To the front to the back
to the si- si- side
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This hand clapping/imitative movement games was performed by girls and boys in two horizontal lines. The singing was accompanied with drum accompaniment. The words to this rhyme were given as sub-titles in this video.

This game is very similar to "This A Way Valerie". "Bellebee" is probably a folk processed form of the name "Valerie" and "Step back sassy" is probably a folk processed form of the name "Sally". "Sallassy" is interesting because it's pronounced similarly to the former Ethiopian Emperor Haile Selassie who was/is closely associated with the Rastafarian movement that began in the Caribbean nation of Jamaica. I don't know whether there's a connection between the word "sallassy" in this example and the name "Selassie".

On the words, "step back sassy", the children step back while clapping to the beat.
On the words "walking through the alley"- people in each line quickly walked or marched to change places,and then quickly moved back to their original location by the end of the walkin through the alley lines. Instead of doing that, in the United States, people usually dance in down the aisle made between the two lines (or rows) as was popularized in the African American television dance series "Soul Train".

With the portion of this rhyme that begins with the line "I betcha five dollars he is big and bold" the children change from singing to chanting. They place one hand on their hip, and wag the pointer finger of their other hand at the person standing in front of them, while standing in place but keeping time with the beat with one leg moving up and down to the beat.

That "I betcha five dollars...." portion of this rhyme reminds me of a verses in the American singing games "Here We Go Zoodio" or "Here Comes Sally Walking Down The Alley." However, I've never come across this particular verse in American versions of those singing games.

The lines "to the front to the back" etc. are done with corresponding imitative movements. This verse is often found in African American singing games. Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/02/front-back-side-to-side-in-childrens.html for a pancocojams post on that verse.

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2.
19:12- 19:17
"Slide Buccara [?]
Eena Meena buskareena [?]
I love you
Yes I do"
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It appears that this rhyme was used for hand clapping although it was just used as background to narration with no visuals accompanying it except a young girl smiling. I transcribed the words to this short clip. I believe the rhyme given as #3 below is probably a continuation of this clip.

The question mark in brackets means that I wasn't able to decipher what was said. "the words "eenie meenie" are quite common in a lot of American children's rhymes.

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3.
19:45: 19:57:
They made me wash the dishes
They made me sweep the floor
They made me eat the cockroach
behind the kitchen door
My mother was surprised
To see my belly rise
My father was disgusted
to see my belly button.
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This example was given the on screen title""They made me wash the dishes". The words were given as sub-titles in this documentary. This was played as a four person hand clap game.

Versions of "They made me wash the dishes" are often found as "She [or he] made me wash the dishes" etc. in "Miss Susie Had A Steamboat" and some other American children rhymes. However, I've not come across any versions of that verse that includes any line similar to "They made me eat the cockroach" line.

The portion that begins as "my mother was surprised" are found in American children's rhymes that I refer to as "We Wear Our Hair In Curls". Click http://awe.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=123101&messages=14 for versions of and comments about this risque rhyme.

From the way these girls laughed with their head down at the conclusion of that rhyme, my guess is they recognized the sexualized content in that rhyme.

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4.
21:26- 21:39
Down By The River
Down by the sea
Johnny break a bottle
and blame it on me
I told Ma, Ma told Pa
Johnny got a likkin
So ha ha ha.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine [that person attempts to slap the hand of the next person to their right. If she does that person is out.]
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This game was subtitled "Down By The River" in this documentary. The words to this game were given as subtitles.

"Down By The River" as given almost exactly in this example was [and may still be] relatively well known in the United States. I'm not sure where this rhyme originated. In the United States this rhyme was chanted while jumping rope or bouncing ball, but since at least the 1970s, most rhymes that were used for jumping rope have been converted to hand clap rhymes. I'm not sure if this rhyme is used for hand clap games in the United States, but I've never come across it being used as a hand slap rhyme as found in this documentary.

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5. 25:38--25:49
Boys are rotten
Made out of cotton
Grls are handy
Made out of candy
Boys go to Jupiter
Get more stupiter.
Girls go to mars to get more candy bars...
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The title for this rhyme was given in the documentary. I transcribed the words from this video. documentary.

The girls stood in a circle and performed imitative motions and a small bit of hand clapping.

On the line "get more stupider", the children circle a finger next to their ear in the gesture for "crazy".

This rhyme is very well known in the United States among American girls who usually chant it as part of a longer hand clap rhyme.

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6.
29:41- 29:55
One leg gone up
For two leg, uh-huh!
Two leg gone up
For t’ree leg, un- hun!
T’ree leg gone up
For four leg, un-hun!
Five leg gone up
For six leg, un hun!
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The title for this game was given as "One Leg Gone Up" and its words were given as subtitles in this documentary.

I don't believe that this singing game is known in the United States, except perhaps to people from the Bahamas or other Caribbean nations.

"One leg gone up" is performed as a circle game in which the person in middle quickly moves to stand in front of another person forming the circle. I think that the middle person is supposed to do some dance in front of the person that he or she is standing in front of. The person who was stood in front of then changes places with the middle person and the singing game begins again from the beginning. This game reminds me of the American [?] game "Ride That Pony" although the dance movements in this video are much more risque than the movements that I've seen in "Ride That Pony" videos.

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7.
29:57 –30:06
Show me your motion.
tra la la la la
Show me your motion
tra la la la la
And he looks like a sugar in a plum
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The title "show me your motion" was given on the screen and the words were given as subtitles.

This is almost certainly a clip of a "Brown Girl In The Ring" circle game. The boy in the middle of the ring does what most Americans would consider to be a very sexualized dance move in front of a girl forming the ring.

The circle game "Brown Girl In The Ring" is relatively familiar in the United States, but like most non-competitive circle games, it's rarely self-initiated by girls (let along girls and boys). Usually, if these types of recreational games are played at all, they are played at an elementary music teacher's direction.

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8.
30:52 -35:36
This section is titled "Naughty Johnny"
31:01- Naughty Johnny’s composer describes the song recorded in 1976: "Johnny was one of ten songs that was recorded on this album “The Real T’ing”." Painter/composer Eddie Minnis shares how he was surprised to learn that "Naughty Johnny" was being performed as a "ring play". The ring play uses the words from his recorded song*.

The video shows a clip of girls doing hand clap while chanting “Naughty Johnny”. The hand clap rhyme is performed by a number of girls standing next to each other in two lines facing each other.

*Click http://www.metrolyrics.com/naughty-johnny-lyrics-eddie-minnis.html for the words to "Naughty Johnny". These words aren't given as subtitles in this documentary.

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9.
36:53 - 37:16
This clip shows children counting numbers up to 40.

The title "Counting numbers" is given in this clip with no sub-tiles. This circle game is very unfamiliar to me and I don't feel confident describing the game's activity.

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10.
42:54 =43:28
Welcome to McDonalds
May I take your order
Nick nack tia tia
order me a French fry
Icy cold milk shake
And don’t forget my apple pie.

[Repeat the entire verse that is given above two times]

Nick nack [stomp stomp] tia tia
order me a French fry [stomp stomp]
Icy cold milk shake [stomp stomp]
And don’t forget my apple pie. [stomp stomp]

Nick nack tia tia
order me a French fry
Icy cold milk shake
And don’t forget my apple pie.

[Chante gets faster]
Big Mac tia tia
order me a French fry
Icy cold milk shake
And don’t forget my apple pie.

Big Mac tia tia [one stomp]
order me a French fry [one stomp]
Icy cold milk shake [one stomp]
And don’t forget my apple pie. [one stomp]
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The words for a portion of this rhyme are given as subtitles. The subtitles end for at time and then reappear. I've given my transcriptions for the portion of the rhyme that doesn't have subtitles. I also included some performance instructions with this example. Those performance instructions are given in brackets and aren't chanted.

In this documentary this rhyme is performed as a hand clap game by young girls facing each other in two long lines. A second clip of this rhyme is performed by women in standing in a circle (with no one in the middle of the circle).

This rhyme is known as "Welcome To McDonalds" (also known as "Big Mac Filet Of Fish" in the United States where it is very well known. "Nick nack tia tia" are folk processed forms of the words "Big Mac filet of fish" that I've never come across in the United States. Also, I've not come across any examples of this rhyme in the United States that is performed with the added foot stomps.

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11. 45:58-46:19
Mae Sue from Alabama
Hey you, Scooby Doo
Mama’s gat the measles
Papa gat the flu
Baby gat the chicken pops
And so are you.
You better ABCDEFG
You better keep your black hands off a me.
You gotta smooth it [presses hands down body in imitation of smoothing out clothes]
You gotta smooth it
You freeze with your holey panties
And you cheesie jockies
And you gat disease, so free
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The words to this hand clap game are given as subtitles on the screen. The hand clap game is performed by two long lines of mostly girls facing each other. On the words "ABCDEFG" the game changes from hand clapping to imitative motions.

The line "You betta get your black hands off of me" is said louder with a confrontational stance. This line is found in some African American rhymes, but I'm not sure that I've ever found it in "Miss Sue From Alabama" [The word "Mae" in this rhyme is a folk processed form of the word "Miss".] So free probably is a folk processed form of "So freeze".

The word "You better smooth it" is found as "You gotta smooth shot" in some "Miss Sue From Alabama" rhymes. Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/11/folk-processing-childrens-rhyme-miss.html for examples of those rhymes.

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12.
47:29- 48:02
Mama Mama can’t you see
Look what Daddy’s done to me.
took away my MTV
Now I’m watchin Barney
Tick, tack, toe, three in a row
Mama got shot by GI Joe
Mama called the Doctor and the Doctor said
Whoop there it is
Whoop there it is
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Two lines of mostly girls facing each other performing hand claps.

There are many different versions of this rhyme in the United States. Instead of "look what Daddy's done to me", the words in the United States are "look what Barney's done to me"- "Barney" being the name of a fictional big purple dinosaur that stars in an American television series that is geared to very young children. Although I don't recall coming across any with the "Whoop there it is" ending, it's possible that there are such versions.. :Mama Mama Can't You See" has its origins in United States military cadences and the "Whoop There It Is" phrase is lifted from a 1993 Miami Bass dance song with that title and repeated lyrics.

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13.
48:21- 48:50
Peanut Butter Reeses Cup
You mess wit me I'll mess you up.
Bye Bye choo choo train.
Let's see :::::* do her thing.
She can't.
Why not?
She can't
Why not?
Because her head is hurtin'
Her bra too tight.
Her booty shakin' from the left to the right.
To the left, to the right
to the left, right, left, right
You too skinny, you too fat
Watch that girl break her back.
Boom chicky, Boom chicky.
Boom chicky.

*girl's name or nickname
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The words to this example are given as sub-titles. Note: The line "to the left, right, left, right" and the words "Boom chicky" aren't given in the sub-titles, but the girls chant those words. The "Boom chicky" is interesting as it is very similar to "A Boom Chikaboom", a well known American "camp song" which may have its source in a foot stomping cheer.

Performance description:
The girls form a circle with one girl in the middle. The chant begins with a foot stomping cheer* movements (foot stomps alternate with individual hand claps in a stomp stomp clap pattern performed by stomping down hard on the right foot, then stomping down hard on the left foot and then clapping your hand). On the words "She can't" (at 48:29 in the video), the foot stomping portion of this ring play ends and the children begin to perform imitative motions and dancing while continuing to chant. On the words "watch out girl break her back" the girl in the middle really starts dancing hard.

This cheer/rhyme is very well known in the United States, usually with the title "Bang Bang Choo Choo Train". Notice that the children sing a folk processed form of those words: "Bye bye choo choo train".

The clip right before this example features a professor from Tulane University in New Orleans, Louisiana who expresses her concern that Bahamian children might begin to incorporate 'something as pernicious as gangster rap" into the lyrics of their ring plays. My research indicates that "Bang Bang Choo Choo Train" doesn't have its source in gangster Rap. Instead, its sources are United States military cadences and, before that, the risque song known as "Bang Bang Lulu".
*Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/05/an-overview-of-foot-stomping-cheers.html for information about and text examples of foot stomping cheers.

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14.
54:52-55:09
I went up on the hill
With my bucket on my head
My road fall down
with my bucket on my head
Rocka a my cherry
One two
Rocka a my cherry
three four
Rocka a my cherry
five six
Rocka a my cherry
seven eight
Rocka a my cherry
nine ten
Rocka my cherry.
That's the end.
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The words to this example are given as sub-titles in this documentary.

This ring play is performed as a girls' circle game with one person in the middle. A boy on the outskirts of the circle accompanies the girls singing on a drum that is strapped over on of his shoulders,

The girls hold both hands near their head, as a representation of holding a bucket on their head [?] . On the words "rock my cherry", the girl in the middle dances in front of someone forming the circle, but in this portion of the video the girl barely moves her hips. The other girls forming the circle sing and clap while watching the middle girl, but don't imitate her dancing.

I don't believe this ring play is known in the United States. Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/07/bahamian-childrens-game-songhand-clap.html for two other examples of "I Went Up On The Hill" ("Rock The Cherry").

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15.
55:33- 55:37
Sauchiss in here
An’ a walkin stick in dere
Take anudder sauchiss
An’ stick it right in dere
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These words are given as a sub-titles on the screen by a woman commenter.

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16.
55:38 –55:49
Sauchiss in dere
So rock an twist in ‘dere
Shake dat belly sauchiss
and stick it right in dere.
You know where
right in dere
Da Devil round de corner
says stick it right in dere
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These words are given as sub-titles in this documentary.

Girls and boys perform this singing game in a circle with one girl in the middle. On each line, the middle girl moves and dances (suggestively) in front of a person forming the circle and that person stands in place but also dances along with her. On the next line of the song, the middle person moves to her right and dances in front of the next person in the circle and that person also dances with her (and so on).

This rhyme isn't known in the United States, except probably by people from the Bahamas and/or other Caribbean nations.

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17.
55:52 -56:06
Blue Hill water dry
no where to wash my clothes
I remember the Sat’day night
fry fish and Johnny cake
Man take one and satisfy [sung a little faster]
Woman take two and make a moo
Man take one and satisfy
Woman take two and make a moo
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The words to this song are given as sub-titles on the screen. A woman sings a version of this verse that is often sung with "Brown Girl In The Ring".

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18.
56:07- 56:38
Blue Hill water dry
no where to wash my clothes
I remember the Sat’day night
We had fry fish and Johnny cake
One take one two [children stomp when say they say "two"]
One take two take three [stomp when they say "three"]
“one take three and four [stomp when they say "four"]

[The girl in center and other children forming the circle stand sideways and alternate from one side to the next with each count]

one take four and five [stomp]
one take five and six [stomp]
one take six and seven [stomp]
One take seven and eight [stomp]
One take nine and ten [stomp]
One take ten and eleven [stomp]
twelve [stomp]

[The children continue this alternating sideways foot stomp while also doing a rocking kind of dance before they stomp hard on the ground]

thirteen
fourteen
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The words to this ring play are on the screen. The "Blue Hill water run dry" verse may be known in the United States thanks to Boney M's recording and others since that group. However, I think that the "one take one" etc verse and the sideways stomp that the children perform while chanting are probably not known in the United States.

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19.
56:40 -57:11
Old lady old lady
[explains that people in former generations used to say “Oh, love me.”
Old lady, old lady
Old lady, old lady
Oh lady, old lady
kiss a lady bum.
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This is my transcription that this rhyme that Nicolette Bethel, Director of Culture recited in this documentary. Ms. Bethel noted that former generations said "Oh, love me" instead of "Old lady" and she indicated that "kiss a lady bum" is just the kind of joke that 6 years old love."

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20.
57:13-57:32
????
Listen to the sound of Sesame street
We gonna rock, rock
Rock till nine o’clock
She made me wash the dishes
She made me sweep the floor....
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This is my attempted transcription of this hand clap rhyme girls performing a four person hand clap rhyme. The girls aren't sure of the words to the rhyme or how to perform the rhyme.

A verse from versions of the American hand clap rhyme "My mama short and fine" includes the line "beep beep beep on Sesame Street." The line in this Bahamian hand clap rhyme could be a folk processed form of that rhyme.

The last two lines of this rhyme are very similar to the words that are found in various American rhymes including "Miss Susie Had A Steamboat". Read the given as #3 above for a similar rhyme.

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21.
57:37-57:40
????
He rock in the tree top all night long
huffin and a puffin....
[clip ends]
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These words were transcribed by me. This clip shows two women and two men performing a version of the hand clap game "Twee Lee Lee" (also known as "Rockin Robin"). This hand clap game is of African American origin and is based on The Jackson Five's "Rockin Robin" record. The hand clap game is very well known in the United States and appears to usually performed by four people as shown in this documentary's video clip.

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This concludes Part I of this two part series on Examples Of Bahamian Children's Ring Plays From The "Show Me Your Motion" Documentary

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series on text (word only) examples of contemporary Bahamian rings plays (children's singing games and children's hand clap rhymes) that are featured in the 2006 documentary "Show Me Your Motion: The Ringplay Games of The Bahamas". The YouTube video of that documentary is also included in these posts.

The ring play examples that are included in this post are divided into two pancocojams posts in order of their appearances in that documentary.

Part II of this series features examples from 57:40 to the last ring play example that is given in that documentary. A few of these examples are from St. Lucia and Trinidad.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/07/examples-of-show-me-your-motion.html for Part I of this series.

Part I of this series features examples of ring plays from 18:38 to 57:37 of that YouTube video. Prior to 18:38 no examples of ring plays were given.

Part I of this posts also includes my editorial comments about how I happened upon this documentary of Bahamian ring plays" and what I believe is the considerable African American influence on many of these Bahamian ring plays. Although many of these ring plays are of African American origin, it's my position that the Bahamian children and teenagers' creative word and movement adaptations make these ring plays Bahamian.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, cultural, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composers of these examples. Thanks also to all those who are featured in this documentary and thanks Ian Strachan, the producer of this documentary and publishers of this video.. Thanks also to all those who were involved in this documentary's production.

WARNING: The showcased documentary video features some scenes of children performing seductive dances and chanting sexualized rhymes that some people may consider to be unsuitable for children.

I added this warning because I'm hoping that this series is used as a supplemental educational resource in the United States, and my experience with United States public educational system informs me that a number of teachers and administrators in that system would have concerns about scenes of children and teenagers performing some of these singing games and rhymes.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Show Me Your Motion: The Ringplay Games of The Bahamas



Ian Strachan, Published on Apr 20, 2017

Show Me Your Motion explores issues of gender, national identity, globalization, class and race in The Bahamas, a prosperous Caribbean nation renowned for its tourism. Producer and Director Ian Strachan addresses these issues through candid, often humorous interviews and live recordings of the ribald children’s songs and dances that are a part of “Ringplay.” ...
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A trailer to this documentary video was published on YouTube in 2006 by Ward Minnis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pZssdkl6GE.

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PART II
Pancocojams Editor's Note:
The words to these ring plays are either from sub-titles that are found in that documentary or from my transcriptions. Additions and corrections are welcome for my transcriptions.

Time stamps that indicate when those examples appear in that YouTube video are included with these examples. These examples also include my brief performance descriptions about these ring plays.

No written performance descriptions and very little narration about performance descriptions beyond comments about the wining [pronounced to rhyme with the English word "line"] (gyrating hip movements and pelvic thrusts) dance movements were included in this documentary.

My comments after the text (words) for these rhymes largely consists of performance descriptions and comparisons between the specific rhyme and African American/other American rhymes. My apologies as Describing game song/ hand clap performances isn't something I do well. Additions and corrections are welcome.

I've assigned numbers to these examples for references purposes only. These numbers continue from Part I.

These time stamps from that video documentary aren't hyperlinked.

EXAMPLES
22.
57:40 – 57:52ena [no words on screen] – two girls doing hand clap routine

Eenie veena tumbaleena [said fast]
Acca pacca soda pack I love you
????
How do you know
I peeked through the window
Nosy
Wash the dishes
nasty...
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This is my attempt to transcribe these words as no sub-titles were given. I'm not sure about the spelling and couldn't decipher one line.

This "Eenie Meenie" rhyme is performed in this clip by two girls as a fast paced hand clap rhyme with imitative motions. At least two other girls stand nearby ready to help the girls remember the motions and words for this rhyme. After the words "I love you", the performance activity changes to imitative motions with finger wagging representing a girl being chided because she didn't do the dishes etc. The two girls mess up the clapping routine and the chanting and the rhyme abruptly ends in that documentary clip.

This rhyme, called Eenie Meenie Sisaleenie" and other similar sounding title, is rather well known in the United States as a stand alone hand clap rhyme or as verses that are incorporated into other rhymes. Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/12/eeny-meany-sisaleenie-rhymes-that.html for examples of this rhyme.

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23. 58:43
woman [Nicolette Bethel, Director of Culture] commenting about the words commenting regarding the words "Achie paloochie":

"Palocha Machie
Conga got no vote

Chances are that the words started out as something that made sense in some African language. But we don’t know what it is and transmitted from person to person we’ve lost
sense of it so we’re only approximating the sound of it"...
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This is my attempt to transcribe this quote. No information is given regarding the "Congo got no vote" rhyme, but my assumption is that "Congo" here refers to Black people in the Bahamas and not people from the two African nations known as the Congo.

Given that this clip was presented after the "eenie meenie" hand clap rhyme that is given as #22 above] and an "Eenie Meenie" rhyme that is given as #___ below, I assume that Ms. Bethel is suggesting that the nonsense sounding words in those Bahamian ring plays (if not in other Bahamian ring plays) are from some African language. I disagree with that conclusion, but that is discussion for another blog post.

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24.
58:56-
This is a brief clip of two girls showing how a hand clap routine is done:
"it’s slide push clap
slide push clap"

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25.
59:03
I met a guy
ah risco
He’s so sweet
Ah risco
Like my cherry tree
Ah risco
I can drink coffee
I can drink ....tea.
I can meet the boy...
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This is my transcription of this example. One girl is chanting this hand clap rhyme while standing in the middle of a small circle formed by other girls. No hand clapping is performed.

This example appears to be an adaptation of the African American "Nabisco" rhyme combined with the African American rhyme "I Love Coffee, I Love Tea".

In this documentary clip. when the girl in the middle says "I can drink" she forgets the word, and someone else says "Tea". When she says "I can meet the boy", someone else says a line that ends with the word "baby". At the end of this clip, the girl looks somewhat shocked by something indecipherable that someone else said. I wonder if it was the "come on, baby let's go to bed" ending for the African American rhyme "I Love Coffee, I Love Tea".

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26.
59:22 -59:42
Slide push clap
Slide push clap
[Said faster] Eena meena Josephina
Oh ah tambourrina
Akalaka booshalaka
Baby I love you; yes I do

Saw you with your boyfriend last night
How did you know
I peeked through the window; Nosey.
Go wash dem dishes; Lazy
Gimme some candy: Greedy
Jump through the window; Crazy.
What do you eat?
Pig feet.
What did you drink?
Red ink.
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These words were given as sub-titles. Two girls are shown doing a fast hand clap routine, but only one girl chants the words.

Read my comments for #23 given above. There is an African American hand clap game called "Slide", but I don't believe that the words "slide, push, clap" are chanted during that hand clap game or during any other American hand clap game that I've found to date.

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1:00:46 1:01:13 I went to the Chinese bakery- words on screen [girls standing in two lines facing each other [hand clap with some imitative movements- for instance hold both hands to their chest for the word “my”]
I went to the Chinese Bakery
to buy a loaf of bread, bread, bread

I went to the Chinese Bakery
And this is what they said said said
My name is King Kong Corey
I can do karate [imitating the same leaning back karate stance]
Punch em in the belly [acting like they are punching the person standing in front of them- I while maintaining space in between each other]
oops I;m sorry [holding their eyes down with one finger on each eye- imitating crying?]
Chinese, Japanese [keeps hands near their eyes, stretching the eyes?
Criss cross [rhythmically slap right hip with left hand left hip with right hand ]
Applesauce
Do me a favor and get lost [does the rolling, lean back a little, and hold hand out in talk to the hand AA street stances]



The verse that begins "what do you eat?/ pig feet" is a stand alone African American rhyming saying that is associated with the "What's your name/ Puddin Tane" rhyming sayings. Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2014/11/early-examples-of-childrens-rhyme-whats.html for a pancocojams post on those rhyming sayings.

I suppose that it's possible that those sayings could have originated in the Caribbean.

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27.
1:00:46 1:01:13
I went to the Chinese bakery-
I went to the Chinese Bakery
to buy a loaf of bread, bread, bread

I went to the Chinese Bakery
And this is what they said said said
My name is King Kong Corey
I can do karate
Punch em in the belly
oops I'm sorry
Chinese, Japanese
Criss cross
Applesauce
Do me a favor and get LOST
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These words are given as sub-titles. The girls stand in two line facing each other, first doing hand claps and then changing to imitative movements:

On the word "my" which is stretched out, the girls hold both hands to their chest.
On the phrase "I can do karate", the girls imitate the same karate stance
On the words "punch 'em in the belly, the girls maintain some distance but act like they are "karate" punching the person standing across from them.
On the words "oops, I'm so sorry", the girls hold their eyes down with one finger on each eye, probably in imitation of the crying
One the words, "Chinese Japanese", the girls keep their hands near their eyes, perhaps stretching their eyes*
On the word "criss cross apple sause", the girls rhythmically slap their right hip with their left hand, and their left hip with their right hand
On the word "do me a favor and get lost", the girls do the body rolling, leaning back a little, and "talk to the hand" African American street stance that means both confrontation and dismissal.

This rhyme is a version of the very well known American rhyme "I Went To The Chinese Restaurant"*. I don't think that the "King Kong Corey" referent is found in American versions of that rhyme.

*Some versions of "I Went To The Chinese Restaurant", such as the this one, have problematic anti-Asian words and actions. Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/07/anti-asian-rhymes-i-went-to-chinese.html for a pancocojams post on this rhyme.

As I noted in my comments after the example given as #11 in Part I, "borrowing" this rhyme without considering the meaning of this line, encapsulates the danger of taking everything from American culture in without a filter for the negativity that is part of that culture.

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28.
1:01:53-1:01:59
Peas porridge hot
Peas porridge cold
Peas porridge in the pot
Nine days old.
Say what!
Some like it hot
Say what!
Some like it hot.
Some like it cold.
Cold.
Some like it in the pot.
Nine days old.
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The title "Some Like It Hot" is shown on the screen. Children are heard chanting and performing this rhyme as a hand clap. This is my transcription of the words. No sub-titles and no other visuals are shown.

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29.
1:03:27-1:03:33
Say boom
Say apple
Say pine
Say wine
Say boom pine apple wine
$1.50 all the time.
[the rhyme begins again from the beginning]
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The words are given as sub-titles. This clip shows teenagers, women, and men standing forming a circle while one teenagers in the middle of the circle moves around to several person of the circle doing a "leg raised up" dance movement. On the words "say boom pine apple wine" the girl stands in front of the next person forming the circle and does a very seductive wining dance.

I've never come across this rhyme in my study of American children rhymes.

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30.
1:03:47- 1:03:51
Solee ‘married
Come here lemme tell ya gal
Uh-huh!
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The words are given as sub-titles. Women and at least one man form a circle and one woman in the middle dances seductively in front of various people forming the ring.

I've never come across this rhyme in my study of American children's rhymes.

Here are quotes from two women who commented throughout this documentary:
"There was a sense of celebrating our female development". [Comment begins around 1:03:36]

"The competitiveness back then was who could be the most sexual and the most alluring. And at the time I didn’t know that was what it was all about, but now when I look back I realize that’s what it was all about”. [This comment begins at around 1:03:53]

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31.
1:04:06-1:04:48
Jump in the car
turn the keys
Press the gas wit' no panties
She rollin like dat
She bouncin like dat
Say mmmm, like dat
Sauchiss in dere
An rock it too in ‘dere
Take dat belly sauchiss
and stick it right in dere.
You know where
right in dere
Da Devil round de corner
says stick it right in dere
Ticka ticka ticka ticka
boom dynamite
Ticka ticka ticka ticka
boom dynamite
Boom boom boom boom
boom dynamite
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The words were given as sub-titles. Girls form a large circle with one girl in the middle. That girl doesn't chant along with the others. In the beginning of the rhyme the girl performs imitative motions. On the line "mmm, like that", she moves around the circle on each line of the rhyme and performs a seductive dance in front of the people forming the circle.

This example is a combination of three stand alone rymes: "Jump In The Car", "Sauchiss In Dere", and "Boom Dynamite".

There are examples of rhymes that begin with the line "jump in the car" in the United States, but they are very different from this example. There are lots of examples of American children's cheerleader cheers and other recreational rhymes that include the line "Boom dynamite". But I've not found any examples of "sauchiss in dere". Examples of that rhyme are also given in Part I of this two part pancocojams series.

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32.
1:16:02- 1:16:27
An examples of "Brown Girl In The Ring" [given without words on the screen or my transcription]

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33.
1:16:38 = 1:16:53
Example of the circle game "Blue Bird through my window": [given without words or the screen or my transcription]

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34.
1:18:03 – 1:18:20
I’m ma going to the party
going to the fair.
When I met a Cinderella with flowers in her hair
????
oh si si si si si si like its hot
si si si si si si like a top
Oh rumble to the bottom
rumble on the top
turn around and turn around until you make a stop
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This is my transcription for this example from the Caribbean nation of St. Lucia. This is played as a circle game with one person in the middle who performs imitative motions and dances.

This circle game is known as "Going TO Kentucky" in the United States and is very well known. The words "Cinderella" probably were "senorita" early on. Through foll processing, "senorita" became "Sister Rita" for some African American children in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania area in the early 2000s.

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35.
1:18-21
Chitty Chitty bang bang
sittin on the wall
tryin to make a dollar
out of fifteen cents
she missed
she missed
she missed like this.
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These words are given as sub-titles. This is another example from St. Lucia.
In this clip, women form a small circle and play a competitive hand clapping, foot crossing circle game. The same game is played among African American girls and boys (and probably other Americans). In the United States, instead of "sitting on the wall", the line is "sittin on a fence".

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36.
1:19:08 -1:19:42
An example of "Brown Girl In The Ring" [given with partial words/description, ]:
on the verse: "Go look for your lover
tra la la la la
Go look for your lover
tra la la la la
Go look for your lover
tra la la la la
Oh she looks like a sugar in a plum"

The girl in the middle selects a boy "partner" from those forming the ring and dances with him in the middle of the ring (holding crossed hands.

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37
1:19:43
Another example of Brown Girl In The Ring [given with partial words and description]
On the words "so hop and take your partner", the girl in the middle chooses a partner, and both of them hop on one foot holding hands".

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38. .
1:21:28
Little Sally Walker [circle game given without words]

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39.
1:21:01-1:22-11
Gigalo
Gig Gig alo alo
Gigalo
Gig gig alo alo
You're ready for one
You're ready for two
Put your hands in the air and go
Whoop whoop whoop!
[repeat the entire rhyme]
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This is my transcription of this rhyme. This example is from Trinidad. Girls form a large circle. Several girls stand in the middle in two lines facing each other. These girls don't chant but do imitative motions. On the words, "Whoop whoop whoop", the girls scooted down close to the ground, and while maintaining their line formation, clap the hands of the person in front of them.

"Gigalo" is rather well known in the United States where it is usually performed as a two, four, or three person hand clap rhyme.

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39.
1:22:18 –1:22:49
Mama Mama Can’t You See
[repeat each line]
Look what Barney has done to me.
He took away my MTV
Now I have to watch Barney
Tic Tac Toe three in a row
Barney got shot by G.I. Joe
Mama called the doctor and the doctor said
Barney should have stayed in bed
Hip Hip hooray!
Barney;s dead
Hip hip hooray
Barney's dead
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This is another example from Trinidad. This is my transcription of this example.

Girls form two long lines that face each other and clap the hands of the person standing in front of them. The first time the words "Hip Hi On the words "Hip Hip Hooray", the girls form arches that the other children go under.

I wrote the word "dead" in parenthesis because I'm not certain of this transcription.

A Bahamaian example of this rhyme with slightly different words and played a different way is given in Part I of this series.

"Mama Mama Can't You See" is a very widely known rhyme in the United States. The words to this Trini example are very similar if not the same as words to Americans versions of this rhyme, the performance activity-including repeating each line, is different from the way it is performed in the United States. That said, repeating each line is actually closer to the United States military cadence that was the source of the "Mama Mama Can't You See" hand clap line rhyme.

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40.
1:23:19 -1:23:47
Oh what can you do Punchinella, Punchinella
What can you do Punchinella 42
Oh we can do it too Punchinella Punchinella
We can do it too
Punchinella 42
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This is another example from Trinidad. This is my transcription. I'm not sure if the number after the name "Punchinella" is correct.

The a group of girls form a circle with one person in the middle. The girls forming the circle stand in place and clap while they sing this song. On the words "What can you do?", the middle girl (or middle person) does some motion, and the people forming the circle try to do the exact same motion.

This game is very widely known in the United States. After the line "We can do it too", the next line is "Who do you choose". That may also be the next line in this example from Trinidad.

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This concludes Part II of this two part series on Bahamian (and other Caribbean) ring games.

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