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"Which Side Are You On" Protest Song (1960s-1970s African American Civil Rights)

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This is Part II of a three part pancocojams series on the protest song "Which Side Are You On".

"Which Side Are You On?" is a song written in 1931 by Florence Reece, the wife of Sam Reece, a union organizer for the United Mine Workers in Harlan County, Kentucky.

Part II of this series presents examples of 1960s and 1970s United States Civil Rights (African American protests) examples of "Which Side Are You On".

Part III of this series presents a few post 1970s Civil Rights (African American protests) examples of this song are also included in this post.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/07/origin-of-labor-protest-song-which-side.html for Part I of this series presents information about the origin of "Which Side Are You On". The original lyrics for this song and a YouTube example of Natalie Merchant singing a cover of this song are included in this post.

The content of this post is presented for historical and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Florence Reece, the composer of this song, for her musical legacy. Thanks all those who sang and are still singing "Which Side Are You On" in their protests for labor rights and civil rights.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.

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INFORMATION ABOUT AND EXAMPLES OF CIVIL RIGHTS VERSIONS OF THE PROTEST SONG "WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON"
Excerpt #1:
From https://longreads.com/2018/08/29/history-of-american-protest-music-which-side-are-you-on/ A History of American Protest Music: Which Side Are You On? By Tom Maxwell, 8/29/2018
"Just as we were in the 1930s and ’60s, America is suffering a moral crisis. We have to decide which side we are on: hate and exclusion, or justice, inclusion, and democracy?

...[Florence] Reece couldn’t have known that what she created would become the most durable anthem of the labor movement, and a template for protest songs for decades to come. “Which Side Are You On?,” written from acute personal trauma, has been universalized, both in lyric and musical modality. After making its way out of Harlan County and into a New York recording studio, it got modified to fit the message of countless underdog protagonists.

[...]

The Freedom Singers, a group formed by the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee in 1962, rewrote the lyric to reflect their Civil Rights struggle.

Come all you Negro people, lift up your voices and sing

Will you join the Ku Klux Klan or Martin Luther King?


They certainly employed, to great effect, the Almanac Singers’ call and response arrangement, bringing altogether more church into the proceedings.

Len Chandler, a topical singer from Greenwich Village who marched with Dr. Martin Luther King from Selma to Montgomery, wrote his own version:

Come all you Northern liberals, take a Klansman out to lunch

But when you dine, instead of wine, you should serve nonviolent punch
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Here's information about The Almanac Singers"
Fro,
"The Almanac Singers was an American New York City-based folk music group, active between 1940 and 1943, founded by Millard Lampell, Lee Hays, Pete Seeger, and Woody Guthrie. The group specialized in topical songs, mostly songs advocating an anti-war, anti-racism and pro-union philosophy."...

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Excerpt #2
From https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=50836 https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=50836
[with numbers added for referencing purposes only)
1. Subject: Versions of 'Which Side Are You On?'
From: JohnnyBGoode
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 07:57 PM

"Wondering about versions of "Which Side are You On?" by Florence Reese, especially it being adapted to various circumstances..."

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2. Subject: RE: Versions of 'Which Side Are You On?'
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 09:15 PM

"Way down in Hinds County,
No neutrals have I met,
You either are a freedom man,
Or a Tom for Ross Barnett.

--- Mississippi, early 1960s

Ross Barnett was the state governor who, among other things, tried to halt the desegregation of Ole Miss. That incident inspired Bob Dylan's Oxford Town. Today Ross Barnett has a reservoir named after him."

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3. Subject: RE: Versions of 'Which Side Are You On?'
From: Charley Noble
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 02:23 PM

"One of my verses, composed back in the 1970's, which unfortunately is not obsolete runs:

We've fought in many a battle,
We're not done fighting yet;
As long as injustice roams this land,
We never shall forget!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble"

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4. Subject: Lyr Add: WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON? (James Farmer)
From: masato sakurai
Date: 27 Aug 02 - 12:24 AM

"As a Civil Rights movement song (a stanza being quoted by Janice in NJ above) from Guy & Candie Carawan, Sing for Freedom (Sing Out, 1990, p. 45). Recording is on Sing For Freedom: The Story of the Civil Rights Movement Through Its Songs (Smithsonian Folkways 40032).

WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON? (James Farmer)
Original verses by Florence Reese, new verses by James Farmer (CORE).
"I rewrote the old labor song by Florence Reece 'Which Side Are You On?' on the spur of the moment in the Hinds County Jail, after the Freedom Riders who were imprisoned there had been discussing and speculating about the attitude of local Negroes regarding the freedom Riders. We had learned through trustees in the jail that most local Negroes were with u, but afraid to do anything because of fear of reprisals. They told us that, of course, there were a lot of Uncle Toms around and it was hard to tell who was and who was not." -- James Farmer

Come all you freedom lovers, and listen while I tell
Of how the freedom riders came to Jackson to dwell.

CHORUS:
Oh, which side are you on, boys,
Which side are you on, (tell me)
Which side are you on, boys,
Which side are you on.

My daddy was a freedom fighter and I'm a freedom son
I'll stick right with this struggle until the battle's won.

Don't 'tom for Uncle Charlie', don't listen to his lies
'Cause black folks haven't got a chance until they organize.

They say in Hinds County, no neutrals have they met
You're either for the Freedom Ride or you 'tom' for Ross Barnett.

Oh people can you stand it, tell me how you can
Will you be an Uncle Tom or will you be a man?

Captain Ray will holler 'move on', but the Freedom Riders won't budge
They'll stand there in the ternimnals and even before the judge."
~Masato
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I added spacings in this comment to better reflect the different verses.

"CORE" = "Congress Of Racial Equality", a leading Civil Rights organization. Click https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/congress-of-racial-equality for information about CORE.

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SHOWCASE YOUTUBE SOUND FILE- Which Side Are You On? (Civil Rights Version)



Various Artists – Topic, Published on May 30, 2015

Provided to YouTube by Smithsonian Folkways Recordings

Which Side Are You On? (Civil Rights Version) · The Freedom Voices with Len Chandler

WNEW's Story of Selma

℗ 2004 Smithsonian Folkways Recordings / 1965 Folkways Records

Released on: 1965-01-01
-snip-hThis sound file should more accurately be titled "One Civil Rights version, as multiple versions of "Which Side Are You On?" were sung during Civil Rights protests in the 1960s and 1870s (United States).

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PANCOCOJAMS NOTES ABOUT MY TRANSCRIPTION OF THIS RECORDING
This sound file appears to be an interview with Lee Chandler and Cordell ? which was conducted for this recording by a man.

Here's my transcript of this sound file. Italics means I'm not sure about my transcription and "?" means that I couldn't understand which words are spoken or sung. Other possible words for one line of this song are given in brackets.

Notice that the lead singer sings one of these (probably improvised) interjections before the beginning of lines in the chorus:
“Won’t you tell me now"

"I wanna hear you now

"Everybody now”

“You betta tell me now”

“I wanna know now”

“You really got to tell me”

One person (the lead singer?) also sings the phrase "Well, well, well" at the end of one of the lines of this song.

Information about some of the references in this song are given below the transcription. Addition and corrections to this transcription and/or these explanations are welcome.

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[UNOFFICIAL] TRANSCRIPTION
-Man speaking (interviewer?) -"In the march, this could go on for 20-25 minutes. I remember hearing a verse:

Come on all you good people
worried about being fat
A day on Route 80
Would take care of that

Lee Chandler - That’s a modification of some verses that I wrote.

Man speaking (interviewer?) -Would you start that verse off?

Chandler - Yeah, um some verses that I wrote for “Which Side Are You On” and Cordell and I sing that song all over Mississippi. And I asked a kid that I heard do that -um um one of the kids on the march, where did he get that verse. And he said “I don’t know. I heard it somewhere. I don’t know where it came from.”

Come all you bougeosie Black men
With all your excess fat
A few days in the county jail
Will sure get rid of that

(Chorus)
Which side are you on
Which side are you on

Come all you freedom fighters
A story I will tell
‘Cause I’m down in prison [right down in prison?; I’m down in prison?]
In a lonesome jail cell

(Chorus)

Come all you Uncle Toms
Take that hankie from your head
Forget your fears and shed a tear
For the life of shame you’ve led

Don’t talk ‘bout Mr. Charlie
Don’t listen to his lies
'Cause we vote Cause we have a chance
Whenever we organize

You need not join the picket line
If you can’t stand the blows
But join your dimes with dollars
Or be counted on with our foes

Come all you high tone college grads
Announce your final G
But don’t forget your old grandma
She’s still scrubbin on her knees

Have you heard about the paddywagon
????
If you stand up for your rights
It’ll take you for a ride.

I heard that the Klu Klux Klan
They stop dyin their sheets
And now they sing about freedom
Every time they meet

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EXPLANATIONS FOR SOME OF THE WORDS IN THIS VERSION OF THIS SONG
(given in alphabetical order)
blows - violence (including hitting with fists)

bourgeoisie- (standard definition) "the middle class, typically with reference to its perceived materialistic values or conventional attitudes."https://www.google.com/search?q=bourgeoisie&oq=bourgeorise&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.1550j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

African American definition; people who act stuck up (siddity); middle class people who think they are better than working class people. Note that a common African American pronunciation for "bourgeoisie" is something like "boog-zhwah".

G - [test; class] grades

high tone- a rarely used descriptor that is the same as the African American definition for "bourgeoisie"

freedom fighters - 1960s and 1970s referent for Civil Rights activists [people who are "fighting for Black people's civil rights by marching ("demonstrating") and other non-violent strategies)

Klu Klux Klan - A White supremist hate group in the USA that was formed in the late 19th century and still exist today (in 2019). Klu Klux Klan members are known for wearing white sheets and pointed hats that cover their face.

Mr. Charlie - a 1970s' informal referent for the White man

paddy wagon- police wagon

Uncle Tom
From https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Uncle%20Tom
"Definition of Uncle Tom (Entry 1 of 2)
1 disparaging : a black person who is overeager to win the approval of whites (as by obsequious behavior or uncritical acceptance of white values and goals)
2 disparaging : a person who is overly subservient to or cooperative with authority
the worst floor managers and supervisors by far are women … Some of them are regular Uncle Toms
— Jane Fonda"
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The referent "Uncle Tom" came from the name of a character in Harriet Beecher Stowe's 1852 novel "Uncle Tom's Cabin>".

In the 1960 and 1970s, the female referent "Aunt Jemima" had the same meaning as "Uncle Tom". The character "Aunt Jemima" was created by a White business man to sell his packaged pancakes. The use of "Aunt Jemima" as an insulting referent eventually died out and "Uncle Tom" began to be used for females and males. One remnant of the "Aunt Jemima" referent was the custom of portraying "Uncle Tom" wearing a scarf (handkerchief) tied in the front of his head similar to the one that the Aunt Jemima character wore. Indeed, another disparaging name for "Uncle Tom" was "handkerchief head".

Later depictions and real life portrayals of "Aunt Jemima" had her wearing her head scarf (bandana) tied in the back. Even later depictions of Aunt Jemima (on pancake packages) showed her without any head scarf because that had become too stereotypical. I believe that the "handkerchief head" referent was retired because some Black gang members and some rappers (such as Tupac) routinely wore head scarfs, and these men were decidedly not Uncle Toms. Also, a lot of African Americans wear head scarfs at night to protect our hair and/or our hair styles which is another reason why the term "handkerchief head" was retired.

Click http://utc.iath.virginia.edu/onstage/performin/tomjemimahp.html for a brief article about the characters Aunt Jemima and Uncle Tom.

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Post 1970s Non-Labor Movement Examples Of "Which Side Are You On? In The United States

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part III of a three part pancocojams series on the protest song "Which Side Are You On".

"Which Side Are You On?" is a song written in 1931 by Florence Reece, the wife of Sam Reece, a union organizer for the United Mine Workers in Harlan County, Kentucky.

Part III of this series presents a few post 1970s Civil Rights (African American protests) examples of this song are also included in this post.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/07/origin-of-labor-protest-song-which-side.html for Part I of this series presents information about the origin of "Which Side Are You On". The original lyrics for this song and a YouTube example of Natalie Merchant singing a cover of this song are included in this post.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/07/which-side-are-you-on-protest-song.html for Part II of this series. Part III presents examples of 1960s and 1970s United States Civil Rights (African American protests) examples of "Which Side Are You On"?.

The content of this post is presented for historical and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Florence Reece, the composer of this song, for her musical legacy. Thanks all those who sang and are still singing "Which Side Are You On" in their protests for labor rights and civil rights.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks also to the publisher of this video on YouTube.

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INFORMATION ABOUT AND EXAMPLES OF "WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON" SUNG POST 1970S DURING NON-LABOR MOVEMENTS AMERICAN PROTESTS
Excerpt #1:
From https://www.lyrics.com/lyric/19256493/Pete+Seeger/Which+Side+Are+You+On%3F+%28Civil+Rights+Version%29
Which Side Are You On? (Civil Rights Version)
Len Chandler, The Freedom Voices

They stole a few elections,
Still we the people won
We voted out corruption and
Big corporations

We voted for an end to war
New direction
And We ain't gonna stop now
Until the job is done

Come on all good workers
This year is our time
Now there's folks in Washington
That care what's on our minds

Come one, come all voters
Lets all vote next time
Show 'em which side are you on now
Which side are you on

[Repeat: x4]
Which side are you on now
Which side are you on

Thirty years of diggin'
Got us in this hole
The curse of reaganomics
Has finally taken it's toll

Lord knows the free market
Is anything but free
It costs dearly to the planet
And the likes of you and me

I don't need those money lenders
Suckin' on my tit
A little socialism
Don't scare me one bit!

We could do a whole lot worse
Than Europe or Canada
Come on Mr. president
Come on congress make the law

Which side are you on now
Which side are you on
Which side are you on now
Which side are you on

They say in Orleans parish
There are no neutrals there
There's just too much misery
And there's too much despair

America who are we
Now our innocence is gone
Forgive us mother Africa
History's done you wrong

Too many stories written
Out in black and white
Yeah come on people of privilege
It's time to join the fight

Are we living in the shadow of slavery
Or are we moving on
Tell me which side are you on now
Which side are you on

Which side are you on now
Which side are you on
Which side are you on now
Which side are you on
Which side are you on boys
Which side are you on
Which side are you on now
Which side are you on

My mother was a feminist
She taught me to see
That the road to ruin is paved
With patriarchy

So, let the way of women
Guide democracy
From plunder and pollution
Let mother earth be free

Feminism ain't about women
No, that's not who it is for
It's about a shifting consciousness
That'll bring an end to war

So listen up you fathers
Listen up you sons
And tell me which side are you on now
Which side are you on

[Repeat: x4]
Which side are you on now
Which side are you on

So are we just consumers
Or are we citizens
Are we gonna make more garbage
Or are we gonna make amends

Are you part of the solution
Or are you part of the con?
Which side are you on now
Which side are you on?
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The sub-title given to this song "Civil Rights Version" is a misnomer, given the lyrics of this song and the usual meaning in the United States of "civil rights"as pertaining to protest movements centering around Black people and/or other people of Color. Besides, there are more than one "civil rights versions" of "Which Side Are You On?" as documented by the version given in Part II of this series.

This song includes the term "reaganomics" which dates it as being composed during the presidency of Ronald Reagan. Here's some information about reaganomics from https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/reaganomics.asp

What is Reaganomics?
Reaganomics is a popular term referring to the economic policies of Ronald Reagan, the 40th U.S. president (1981–1989). His policies called for widespread tax cuts, decreased social spending, increased military spending, and the deregulation of domestic markets...

The term Reaganomics was used by both supporters and detractors of Reagan's policies."...

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Excerpt #2
From https://denisesullivan.com/2015/01/11/were-on-the-freedom-side/"We’re On The Freedom Side" by Denise Sullivan, January 11, 2015
"There’s a new version of the labor standard, “Which Side Are You On?” going around: Sung at the Black Lives Matter and Blackout Coalition actions, it’s also been used as the intro and outro marching song at some of the Black Brunch protests.

Malcolm X was a freedom fighter
And he taught us how to fight
We go’n’ fight all day and night
Until we get it right
Which side are you on, my people? Which side are you on?

[video no longer available]

In the early ’30s when the United Mine Workers of America began to organize around Eastern Kentucky (in an effort to end practices like payment in scrip and pay docking toward rent in substandard housing) it was Florence Reece, a Kentucky miner’s daughter and wife who wrote the original lyrics to “Which Side Are You On?”. It remains a labor movement standard.

They say in Harlan County
There are no neutrals there
You’ll either be a union man
Or a thug for J.H. Blair

Blair was the sheriff who rousted Reece’s family during the strike among Harlan County mine workers, just one of the struggles which contributed toward the region earning its nickname “Bloody Harlan County.” In the ‘70s, workers struck again and Reece reprised the song for striking miners (preserved in this clip from Barbara Kopple’s Academy Award-winning documentary, Harlan County U.S.A.).

[video no longer available]

The song’s melody is said to be based on a hymn, “Lay the Lily Low.” Some researchers believe it is the same song that forms the basis for the traditional “Jack-a-Roe,” (also known as “Jack Munro”), its best-known version performed by the Grateful Dead. But I think that somewhere in the Kentucky mountains, singers have been intoning this strange melody for hundreds of years, its deep minor tones more reminiscent of the mystic drone of a Gregorian chant than anything known to folk or gospel. Whatever its melody’s true origins, “Which Side Are You On?” was first repurposed during the Civil Rights Movement by topical singer-songwriter Len Chandler (you can hear his recorded version on the album, WNEW’S Story of Selma).

Come all you Northern liberals,
Take a Klansman out to lunch
But when you dine instead of whine
You should serve nonviolent punch
Which side are you on? Which side are you on?

Chandler told me his story, of how he came to be a topical singer in Greenwich Village, then moved on to marching with Dr. King from, Selma to Montgomery (he appears in archival footage in the new film, Selma). “I’d write a song like that and then I’d be singing it in a mass meeting that night. People would be playing and singing for forty five minutes, until you were just worn out,” he said. Fifty years later, he remains in pursuit of social justice through action and song (Chandler’s full story appears in Keep on Pushing). I learned from listening to Chandler’s songs and to his songtalk, and by studying the work of freedom singers like Odetta, Bernice Johnson and voting rights activist Fannie Lou Hamer, that group singing among activists gives people who may start the night as strangers a chance to bond. Communing over songs, we become more bound to purpose. Singing together is energizing, nourishing, and feeds the spirit; it provides strength to move forward, together as one. But group singing for justice serves a further purpose beyond what some mock as a moment to join hands and sing “Kumbaya”: In the fight for non-violence, singing has the ability to disarm.

Hamer practiced the power of song when she sang alongside Chandler and other SNCC volunteers at the mass meetings and marches, through her representation of the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party at the 1964 Democratic Convention and on to the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Women at the forefront of workers organizing, who’ve pushed for voting and employment rights, and led the fights to end war, poverty, and racism across the planet all know well the power of song: Whether Hamer, Reece, or Ani DiFranco (who updated the song in 2012 then titled her collection of socially conscious songs, ¿Which Side Are You On?) or the Black Lives Matter and Blackout Coalition organizers, women are allied in a long and storied legacy of traditional and gospel song. With songs we have contributed to toppling apartheid in South Africa, had voting rights granted in the US, fought warlords in Liberia and begun to make corrections to the broken justice system in the USA. With songs that have traveled the road from blues to hip hop, we will continue toward freedom for all people. It’s good to hear the timeless soundtrack to justice making a comeback. Now, which side are you on?"
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Here's some information about "Black Brunch Protests"
From https://www.huffpost.com/entry/black-brunch-disrupts-restaurants_n_6416844
#BlackBrunchNYC Disrupts Diners To Protest Police Brutality By Lilly Workneh
BLACK VOICES 01/05/2015 10:49 am ET
"In a seemingly new approach to demonstrating, protesters in New York interrupted patrons at various restaurants on Sunday to declare injustice in America and call attention to problematic policing tactics.

The event was part of a movement dubbed #BlackBrunch in which protesters purposely selected eateries across the city, or places they referred to as “white spaces,” to voice their outrage over police violence against Blacks.

On Sunday, about three dozen demonstrators marched into restaurants and briefly interrupted mid-day meals as they read aloud the names of African Americans killed by police, Yahoo reports.

“There is a war on Black people in America that cannot be ignored and the Black Brunch tactic is one that is committed to interrupting ‘business as usual’ until the war against us has ended,” reads a statement written by #BlackBrunch organizers.

“Young Black leaders organized Black Brunch in response to the historic violence and unjust crimes committed against Black people in America,” the statement continues.

Some of the protests were held at popular New York City eateries including The Barking Dog, Lallisse, Maialino and Pershing Square. Meanwhile, across the country, similar protests also took place in restaurants in Oakland, California.

“We march, chant and sing together as we claim space in areas that are predominantly non-Black,” organizers wrote.

Organizers said this spin on sit-in style protests is a resistance tactic that was created by organizers in Oakland last year.

Many applauded the protests on Twitter while others weren’t too pleased with the momentary demonstration. Instead, some patrons saw the interruption as an inconvenience and subsequently expressed their frustration on social media.

[...]

However, the protesters do not seem to express any regrets.

“We are peacefully and publicly mourning and saying the names of innocent slain Black Americans for 4 ½ minutes and we’re not sorry for interrupting your Brunch,” Iris Dillard, a Berkeley student who participated in a protest over the weekend, told The Washington Post.

“The fact that people are negatively responding to the #BlackBrunch and not the illness of racism and the myth of American progress, disturbs me more than anything.”

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SHOWCASE VIDEO OF A BLACK BRUNCH PROTEST
#BLACKBRUNCH Rockridge


Wazi Maret Davis, Published on Dec 8, 2014

Young Black leaders of Oakland [California] convened on Saturday, Dec. 6 2014 to march in peaceful protest throughout the Rockridge neighborhood. Together they chant song and honor the names of Black lives lost to police violence.
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One person in the group calls out a name and the age of a person who was the victim of police violence. The group then responds, raising their right fist in the black power salute and in unison shouting the word “Ashe”. The recitation ends with one person saying “And so it is” and the group repeating “And so it is”.
The song begins around 2:07 in this video [Protesters sing while they walk in single file out of the restaurant. The singing is accompanied by drum [probably djembe drum] and individual hand claps.

Here's my transcription of this version of "Which Side Are You On?" [Additions and corrections are welcome.]

Chorus:
Which side are you on, friends? Which side are you on?
Which side are you on, friends? Which side are you on?

Justice for Mike Brown is
Justice for us all
I will fight for justice
Until justice is won.

Which side are you on, friends? Which side are you on?
[One person sings: We on the freedom side!]
Which side are you on, friends? Which side are you on?
[One person sings: We on the freedom side!]

[Repeat that entire song]
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As mentioned in Excerpt #3 above, participants in BlackBrunch Protests often sing "Which Side Are You On?"as an introduction to their recitation of names of victims of police brutality and as their "outro"- when they are leaving the protest. The video doesn't show the entire protest, but it's likely that ththe group may have sung "Which Side Are You On?" at the beginning of their protest. However, they are shown singing it at the end of their protest.

Here's information about Mike Brown:
Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown for information about Mike Brown who was shot & killed by a policeman in Ferguson, Missouri on August 9, 2014. Here’s one excerpt from that page:
This event ignited unrest in Ferguson. Although a subsequent FBI investigation found that there was no evidence that Brown had his hands up in surrender or said "don't shoot" before he was shot, protesters believed that he had done so, and used the slogan "Hands up, don't shoot" in protest. Protests, both peaceful and violent, continued for more than a week in Ferguson; police established a nightly curfew. The response of area police agencies in dealing with the protests was strongly criticized by the media and politicians. There were concerns over insensitivity, tactics, and a militarized response."
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Here are some comments from this video's discussion thread, including a comment that I posted (with numbers added for referencing purposes only)
1. robertk2007, 2015
"if they were so concerned with people rights, they wouldnt be trespassing on private property. go to the city square and scream your head off"

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2. acquista mon, 2015
"The goal is good and I like the song... but dont confuse reaction to a brunch bust as evidence of change. Change from the police is necessary, but even more important is the condition of inner cities and education and freedom from drug abuse and early teen pregnancy. I 360 change vs. 60 degrees, that is the side I am on, the whole side."

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3. Michael Attaya, 2015
"What are they shouting?? I shay? I said? I shed? I can't quite understand it. They got a little tune going on at the end though. I give them that. It's kind of catchy."

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REPLY
4. Azizi Powell, 2019
"Michael Attaya
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%E1%B9%A3%E1%BA%B9
"ase or ashe (from Yoruba àṣẹ)[1] is a West African philosophical concept through which the Yoruba of Nigeria conceive the power to make things happen and produce change. It is given by Olodumare to everything — gods, ancestors, spirits, humans, animals, plants, rocks, rivers, and voiced words such as songs, prayers, praises, curses, or even everyday conversation. Existence, according to Yoruba thought, is dependent upon it.[2]

In addition to its sacred characteristics, ase also has important social ramifications, reflected in its translation as "power, authority, command."...

African Americans who have adopted the word "ashe" usually spell it "ashe" (pronounced "ah -shay" as an equivalent term to "so be it" / "Amen"."

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TWEET THAT INCLUDES A BRIEF CLIP OF A MINNESOTA COMMUNITY ACTIVIST GROUP SINGING "WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?"


https://twitter.com/IlhanMN https://twitter.com/IlhanMN [official representative illhan omar twitter account]

Ilhan Omar Retweeted

TakeAction Minnesota


@TakeActionMN
July 18, 2019
📢 What side are you on, my people. We’re on the freedom side. #IStandWithIlhan #WelcomeHomeIlhan
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This tweet features a brief video clip of a multiracial group of young people singing a version of the song “What Side Are You On”? The singing occurred at the Minneapolis airport while the group waited to greet Representative Illhan Omar when she arrived home to Minneapolis. The group then chanted "Welcome home, Illhan!"

With regard to the "What Side Are You On?" song, it appeared that some people in the group-including the White woman with a bullhorn who seemed to be leading the group, didn't know the song, but were reading the words from yellow slips of paper that they held. Unfortunately, I can't find any video of TakeAction singing that song or any online references to the version of "What Side Are You On?" that is sung by that group.

Here's information about TakeActionMinnesota:
From https://www.takeactionminnesota.org/about-us/
"ABOUT TAKEACTION MINNESOTA
TakeAction Minnesota is a statewide network of people – people just like you — working to realize racial and economic equity across Minnesota. We do this by connecting people and organizations to each other, turning someone’s individual desire for change – to pass a more progressive policy or law, to improve an institution, to change a harmful idea or perception – into the broad public action that makes change happen where it wasn’t possible going it alone.

We know that Minnesotans around our state want to make a difference on the issues that affect their own lives. Having access to health care when you need it. To earn enough to support your family with dignity. Being given a second chance to build your future. But to be effective, we need to connect with other people, and other organizations, who have the same vision.

At TakeAction Minnesota, people come together to change Minnesota. We work together to win the changes that help shape our lives for the better, beating the odds again and again. We do it with great people, and organizations, from communities across our state. With people, by people, and for people just like you."...
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Although I consider myself relatively familiar with civil rights songs, reading that tweet and watching that brief video yesterday was my first introduction to the protest song "Which Side Are You On?"

Thanks TakeActionMinnesota, for introducing me to this song!

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Brown Skin Girls Throughout The World Comment About Beyoncé's Song "Brown Skin Girl"

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This pancocojams post showcases a sound file of "Brown Skin Girl" performed by Beyoncé, SAINt JHN, WizKid, and Blue Ivy Carter. Selected comments from that sound file's discussion thread are also featured in this post. Most of these comments are from Brown skin girls from various nations throughout the world.

The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Beyoncé SAINt JHN, WizKid, and Blue Ivy Carter who performed this song. Thanks to the composers of this song and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S COMMENT
I believe that some comments from certain YouTube discussion threads are worthy of archiving for their historical, folkloric, and socio-cultural value/s almost as much as, the same, or more than some of the sound files and videos that are shown on this blog. However, it's very difficult to find and study selected comments on YouTube unless those comments are posted elsewhere.

In this post, I'm particularly interested in how people who aren't considered Black have written comments about their experiences with colorism*, and how Beyoncé's song has affected their appreciation of their skin color. I also am interested in some Black people's reactions to these types of comments from non-Black people.

Most of the comments in this compilation mention the commenter's nation and/her or his race/ethnic group. Some comments are included that are responses to this main category. Although most of the responses to these comments are affirmations of how beautiful the person is and how people should love their skin color, I only included a few of those types of responses. I also included a few general comments that don't fit these two categories.

This is only a very small sample of comments that can be categorized as I indicated above. And those categories are only a small portion of that discussion thread. I chose that particular file because it had the most viewer comments. I didn't read all of the comments in that discussion thread, but I read a LOT of those comments.

I've no doubt that there are many other examples of these types of comments in the discussion thread and in the discussion threads for other YouTube sound files of this song and I'm aware that other compilations from the same discussion thread would be different from this one.

Thanks to all of the commenters!
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*"colorism" = "Discrimination based on skin color, also ...usually from members of the same race in which people are treated differently based on the social implications from cultural meanings attached to skin color."... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_based_on_skin_color.

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SHOWCASE EXAMPLE - BROWN SKIN GIRL


Beyoncé, Published on Jul 19, 2019

Provided to YouTube by Sony Music Entertainment

BROWN SKIN GIRL · Beyoncé · SAINt JHN · WizKid · Blue Ivy Carter

The Lion King: The Gift

℗ 2019 Parkwood Entertainment LLC, under exclusive license to Columbia Records, a Division of Sony Music Entertainment

Released on: 2019-07-19

Associated Performer: Beyonce, Saint JHN & WizKiD feat. Blue Ivy Carter
Producer: P2J
Composer, Lyricist: Adio Marchant
Composer, Lyricist: Jay-Z
Composer, Lyricist: Stacy Barthe
Composer, Lyricist: Anatii
Composer, Lyricist: Michael Uzowuru

Auto-generated by YouTube.
Statistics as of July 21, 2019 at 8:22 AM
total number of views - 1,352,906 views
total number of likes- 71K
total number of dislikes-1.6K
total number of comments -7,727

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SELECTED COMMENTS
These comments are numbered for referencing purposes only. All of these comments were published July 18, 2019 or July 21, 2019.
1. Kaycie With ie
"i'm black, live in the netherlands and am still in high school with all the dumb people. The way i needed this song today... i love her so much for this"

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2. Brendons Forehead
"Nouja ik zou niet zeggen dat ze perse dom zijn maar meer dat ze domme dingen doen om populair te blijven"
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Google translate from Dutch to English
"Well, I wouldn't say they are stupid, but rather that they do stupid things to stay popular"

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3. Lizbet Cruz
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I'm not black, but as an indigenous person who's been bullied about their skin and culture, I can't help but feel relief and tears in my eyes with this song.

I've tried skin lighteners but I realized that I am damaging myself more doing that. Now I love my brown skin. I wouldn't change anything for it and I especially appreciate my ancestry and my culture.

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4. Tia
"When my mother used to refer to me as "NEGRESSE as a negative slur it used to hurt but now as I'm an older wiser woman ive embraced it and love my brown skin...this song is empowering all those little black girls who need to feel and know they are beautiful 🙌🙌❤️👏👏👏"

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5. Vicks FDZ
"As a mexican who dont have any melanin, im gonna sing this LOUD!! Im proud of who I am, thats someting that Bey makes me feel with her music, to trust and feel proud of ourselves! We R All beauty, feel proud to have B to represent you, not even Salma represents me :-("

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6. Mmaduabuchi Ibemesi
"I am an 11 year old Nigerian girl and I am black and beautiful! Stand up for your race! Am I right?👸🏿👸🏾👸🏽"

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7. Crystal Parker
"Mmaduabuchi Ibemesi yes u are✊🏾❤️"

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8. Sumayyah Hussain
"Being south Asian brown skinned this song makes me feel so warm and empowered"

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9. ALL LOVE
"I dont think people understand how important the message in this song is. And how amazing of Beyoncé....who is known for her beauty to use her platform to uprise the most disrespected woman in society because of her skin colour. And for her to send out this message in Africa where colourism is even worse...that’s an amazing chess
move.

Black dark woman have been the most looked down upon all around the world. Even in Africa. To the point girls are willing to die to be lighter in skin just so they can fit.

Usually beautiful woman who are famous are too wrapped up in THIER own beauty and fear of ageism. Some of them will never bring this subject to the table. They want the shine on them so they can rise.

If all the woman get in formation and we all help each other rise imagine what we can achieve:

This song could be the start of a revolution.

I hope in the future black girls can walk out without ever thinking about wigs and nonesense. There are far bigger battles to win then feeling insecure about nappy hair that in reality IS BEAUTIFUL BUT YOU CANT SEE IT BECAUSE SOCIETY MADE IT THAT WAY"

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10. Marcus Flinn
"You hit the nail right on the head. The same goes for afro-Asians and dark Asians with African ancestry. Unfortunately, beauty standards in the East favor paler skin over tanned as well... This song is so empowering. I love my dark skin more than I ever had"

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11. Divita IsAwesome
"❤❤❤I'm Indian and white fair skin is promoted so much in Indian media. Fairness creams are literally everywhere. I had really low self esteem because of that. I'm a brown skin girl ❤ this will be on my playlist forever!"

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12. Megan Gee xó
"This song isn’t just about the beautiful brown skin etc females it is also including other black females from other countries like Ghana, Sierra Leone, Jamaica, Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Gambia, St.Lucia, Brazil, Portugal, The United Kingdom WE SHOULD CELEBRATE OUR BEAUTIFUL BROWN TO DARK SKIN FEMALES ALL OVER THE WORLD who have been put down, racially attacked and discriminated against for being darker or for not being white we are all beautiful no matter what race❤️❤️"

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13. Lorenzo Rodrìguez del Mundo
"I'm a Mexican niño and I love all the chocolate women out there livin life to the fullest. Power to the reinas de chocolates.❤"

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14. Zøe
"Coming from a country like India where every other song is about fair skinned women, this is a pleasant change!"

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15. Ria Kaur
"I'm proud to be a Indian with BROWN SKIN
Well done BEY for being a amazing mother and BLUE IVY CARTER"

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16. WINIFRED. E.I OMOAKA
"#teambrownskin ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾"

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17. Happy Growing
"Kudos to you for loving your beautiful brown skin! Now hopefully the women of your country will follow you in this celebration of Brown Skin Girls!"

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18. Q B
"I don't think that she was talking about Indians at all. Nor the people that are known as "the browns" (Hispanics/Latinos) But if this song makes you feel good, kudos to you! 💓"

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19. Queen Flower
"Q B don’t exclude people bro, u know what it feels like to be excluded ur whole life so y do it to someone else. God tests all of us, we shouldn’t give hate to anyone at all. Yes it was for African girls. But let her feel special too, she might have not had that chance to feel welcomed or embrace her brown skin. LOVE WINS ALL. Love all u guy. All beautiful"

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20. Phelan Johnson
"I love brown skin. Black, Indian, and everything in between! Sing with us sis!"

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21. Tristen Gabourel
"Q B she was talking to everyone with brown skin."

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22. Rose D
"dre alex no she’s right, she said if it makes them feel special then good, but it’s about dark skin black girls. Not Arab, Indian or Mestizo women. However if it resonates with them then that’s amazing! Music is supposed to extend beyond its intended purpose! It brings us together, but she is a million percent right."

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23. Lil Miss on a mission
"@Q B listen she was talking to all brown skinned girls
The brown complexion to 🙄"

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24. Safa Siddiqi
"As a pakistani girl I feel so loved"

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25. MinJi Kim
"As a korean person made fun of others for my darker complexion, this song is very empowering"

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26. may mist
"that's beautiful that it is relatable for everyone ❤️"

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27. Gigi
"Yes, this song is for you too. Be proud of who you are, you are beautiful. Have a good day my friend !"

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28. PlainerThanJane
"😂🤣 she mentioned, Kelly, Naomi, Lupita.. and 'Nappy hair'... none of this applies to you smdh🤦🏽‍♀️, your 'Brown skin' struggles are nothing in comparison to the real Brown skin sistahs she's referring to in the song🤷🏽‍♀️✊🏾... I'm not saying that you don't have an issue with your complexion but... let's be real here... you will never be able to relate on the same level as brown skin women with nappy hair.. in this world, your so called brown skin is still valued more than the women she sings about so.. stop it!"

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29. Yekaterina Petrovna Zamolodchikova
"@PlainerThanJane colorism is colorism. Racism is problem too but colorism is a real issue in asian countries as well. The song is brown skin girl not "girl of african decent." It empowers all darker girls as well as kinky hair textures not just one or the other."

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30. Artby Sonia
"PlainerThanJane Agreed. When Beyoncé said brown she means girls of black descent"

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31. Active Device
"@PlainerThanJane
Eventhough I'm black and I understand the struggle, I'm not going to dismiss someone else's struggle because the can't compare to the "real brown sistahs""

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32. PlainerThanJane
"@Yekaterina Petrovna Zamolodchikova I'm aware of that fact, sis.. but, in this particular song.. she's referring to sisters of, Black decent! If the song touches you in a way to empower you in your struggles to any extent, then I'm all for that.. but, again..she speaks to the Black sistahs.."

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33. MinJi Kim
"Thank you to all the comments! Did not expect this to blow up^^ but yes I believe this song should be an anthem by black women for black women. It's just amazing to see thing kind of song exist and is very hopeful!"

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34. Active Device
"@PlainerThanJane
The way u said ur original comment tho, it just sounded so rude."

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35. dimond folournsho
"PlainerThanJane this comment was not it. We shouldn’t be comparing struggles, we should be united. People like you are what’s wrong with the world. Always thinking your struggle is better. And before you call me racist I’m Nigerian boo."

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36. KCLARK98
"Y'all are disgusting. So quick to come on here dismissing this girl's struggle like black people are the only ones with colorism issues or issues at all. Yes of course this song was targeted at black girls but more importantly it's here to spread positivity and love and here y'all come spreading hate and it makes me sick. It's ok to fight for our own rights while finding commonalities in our struggles with others' struggles and until people learn that we will forwver be divided"

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37. KCLARK98
"@PlainerThanJane what's the point of constantly pointing out that this is for black girls if everybody knows and acknowledges that. What you're impkicitly saying why do other people feel the right to be empowered by this because it's for us. That's the problem in the first place. Anybody affected by colorism should feel like they are empowered by this song because at the end of the day brown skin doesn't just belong to black people and doesn't only affect black people in a racist system where the color of your skin changes how you're viewed in the eyes of the white man. You should want anybody affected by colorism to be empowered by this song"

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38. MinJi Kim
"There is a lot of very wonderful discussion in this. I think we should all agree that "Brown Skin Girl" is a black anthem. The reason I find comfort in this song is that there are very little songs that talk about colorism in South Korea. I hope that SK can acknowledge that there are many darker complexion Koreans. A lot of the times in Korea I was told that I was adopted and that I wasn't Korean and many people always think that I'm messy and dirty and dont want to go near me. There is a lot of stigma around darker Korean in Korean society and 왕따. This is one kind of struggle. At the same time black women in U.S. face many struggles, from wage gap to straight up discrimination and violence. I will never understand nor want to pretend I do because even though we both have those very real struggle, they are not the same. I think it's amazing that these black artists are making songs for black women like this and hope that more Korean celebrities would embrace their melatonin in the same way. My heart goes out to everyone affected by this. I dont think it is wrong to be empowered as long as I do not claim this song as for "everyone." I hope you all can understand 🤗💕"

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39. Jc Day
"Just know that despite what some people are saying in your comments, you can always receive empowerment. Even though Beyonce is referring to black women, theres no way she wouldnt love how much you have gotten from this too."

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40. PlainerThanJane
"@MinJi Kim , colorism is truly the Devil's greatest invention. I'm happy that you, as myself and many others are empowered by the lyrics in this song. We've all a long ways to go.. here in America and abroad. 'If it's not white, it's not right'!!! That statement has affected millions of people of color around the globe.. we all need an Anthem to encourage us throughout life. It's unfortunate that you or anyone should have to experience that type of hateful behavior... ❤"

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41. PTX 5
"MinJi Kim i think Beyonce would happy that you relate to the song and feel empowered. She's all about lifting women up. So don't let anybody else makes you feel otherwise just because you're not black. Love yourself sista...."

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42. shar k
"PlainerThanJane you literally said that her brown skin struggles are nothing"

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43. kingbey fan
"Others can relate to this song as well. In the latino community for instance, Afro-Latinos are treated terribly. Dominicans does not acknowledge their African roots... I am a black woman who have no problem with other darker skinned girls of a different culture/race/ethnicity feeling empowered by this track made for black girls specifically."

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44. DJuno
"Lol everyone be fightin over which girls Beyonce referring to in this song ...."

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45. Just Me
"This song is so beautiful, I think celebrating black women is very important as some have issues with their skin color. Such as racism, self estime and self love, self confidance etc. And unfortunately some bleach their skin to become lighter ☹
Am a proud and grateful african brown skin girl I really wish everyone can be happy the way they are. Because we're all different and that makes us unique.
Anyway, Blue Ivy's voice is cute 😊"

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46. Desiree Wade
"💖💖Truly a beautiful song and yes speaking the truth and finally a song that truly will let all woman of color hold there heads up especially the Dark Skin ones I am dark skin and when I was young my father always told me I was beautiful and a black queen and my beauty was always on the inside of me and to never let anyone make me feel any less and to hold my head up and be proud of how God made me and he made me truly beautiful like my father said and I always loved me some Desiree and if any tried to tease me I would always say God made me and as long as God is happy with what he created and my father loves me that is all that mattered and I truly never was never teased but I can say men of all colors and different cultures would approach me even until this day and just say thank you and keep it moving so don't ever feel bad about being any color know that God made us all and we are all beautiful thank Queen B for this beautiful song love it God bless to you and your family! 💖💖"

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47. keysie b.b
"@beyonce thanks for this song when I was in school I they bullying me they told me to take a bath with Clorox “bleach”
Thank you bey 😘"

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48. Bronze Goddess 813 TI
"Yesss Brown skinned girls all over the world.💃💃💃💪💜♥️💜💜♥️🙏🌈⭐💯♣️♠️"

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49. sugar_cube_ tootsies
"For some that are confused she means black girls in general, all different shades"

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50. Sassy Tia
"Anyone with brown skin. Not specifically black"

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51. Lacey Kean
"Sassy T “nappy curls” sorry I don’t think non black girls have that"

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52. foo 83
"@Lacey Kean afro Latinos have kinky hair. Their black like black Americans. Black Americans aren't the only black people, and I'm black."

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53. Natasha Lawson
"foo 83 Afro Latinos are black"

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54. Teshia Wallace
"Beyonce is pretty much singing to herself 🤷🏿‍♀️❤ US brown, light, dark tone afrikans, on the American land, south American land, afrikan land and surrounding islands. Why is this so hard for ppl to grasp🤔"

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55. Haley Marlin
"Brown meaning all black girls. No matter what your shade is, you are black. But your skins actual physical color is brown.👩🏽👩🏾👩🏿"

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56. terri jones
"@Lacey Kean I know some latinas that have nappy natural curly hair as well 🤷🏾"

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57. liljayjay 666
"So Indians, latinas, asians?"

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58. Nasia the chocolate neko
"@liljayjay 666 no she's talking about black women specifically brown to dark skinned girls.."

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59. Honestly Jordy
"Wow really ? Can we have one thing???? Always wanna take BLACK GIRLS SHINE!!! This song was Ode to Black Women!! 😩"

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60. CheekyPoo22
"@foo 83 Baby, however u say it Black Afro Latinas are Black! It becomes the dominant trait. She's talking about the race of Black women."

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61. B L U E
"@Sassy Tia This is dedicated to Black girls, not all POC."

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62. Qu AudioReact
"Natasha Lawson exactly, and I’m sure some have nappy curls too, some also don’t. But there is dark skinned Afro Latinos, Afro Asians, and black-white."

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63. Sassy Tia
"Honestly Jordy it says brown skin girls. Which means anyone with brown skin"

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64. Sassy Tia
"B L U E it said brown skin girls. Not black women"

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65. Ilovemyself
"I feel like lightskins just wanna be included she is not focusing on all shades of black women..right now she's focusing on melanated girls which means all the chocolate girls who r brownskin and darkskin and we know there are other shades of black girls but its not what she is focusing on whether if your afro latino or indian if your heavily melanated thats what she's focusing on"

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66. Marcel D. Robinson
"No... she is speaking on darker completed girls. Which is why she mention Kelly Rowland, Lupita and Naomi. Because even within black communities, many times Darker complected girls are made to feel like they aren’t as pretty as lighter complected black girls. Which is why skin bleaching in Jamaica has become a big thing. So.. yeah, you’re wrong on that."

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67. MrItsjustmeok
"Every skin colour is beautiful, we should really be looking at what's within the skin though."

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68. Cee Gabe
"ALL Brown skin girls are beautiful: dark and mixed race (which most of us are) from past race-mixing during the captivity era."

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69. Yei Ambi
"I wish there will be more songs about brown skin being beautiful
I live in switzerland and i dont feel beautiful at all i feel ugly and that people look at me difrent"

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70. Tomb Raider LC
"I believe everyone deserves representation regardless of color, and I'm extremely happy to see that dark skinned people are getting their equal share in this! It has come such a long way. The people who are making this a white/black problem need to calm down and just relax. We are all humans and need to realize we only have this one life together and everyone deserves to feel special and they are loved and accepted; black, white, Asian, Hispanic, middle eastern, polynesian, and everything else in between. And remember, even regardless of race, people's skin color varies. Southern Italians have dark skin often times and some Hispanics have pale skin. It's really just love all around bc let's face it. It would be boring and bland if we were all the same color"

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71. RizzyBone
"To all my brown and dark skin women and men i love you. We are beautiful❤🧑🏾❤👩🏾❤🧑🏿❤👩🏿❤. Please don't let the hate of society make you believe being a light complexion is better. God doesn't make any mistakes! Take care of yourselves and protect eachother💕💕"

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72. James Valt
"Everything they taught you about the color black was wrong. Black isn't the color of evil, darkness is where the monsters hide, all that is a lie. Remember without the darkness there is no light, black is the medium for reality, the universe needs the black silhouette to exist. The richest, purest of resources start off as black, from diamonds to oil to fertile earth. So how can something so good double as bad? have you ever asked yourself that?"

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73. Isiejeme0829
"Jet black skin, brown skin and even those with albinism stand up. We ain't about to change for anyone NEVER!!!"

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74. Daily Sip
"Lets blasts this at every place and everywhere every brown skin girl needs to hear this song bc brown skin girls should never have to feel shamed about being brown bc of others insecurities"

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75. Toussaint Wilson
"This song has me tearing up. My Mother is a dark skinned woman and I have always wanted her skin color. Meanwhile as many of you know she was called dark and ugly a lot. Now I am crying. For all of you, we love you brown skin girls."

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76. starfirebb robin
"Am i the only brown skin girl who didn't need this song to feel beautiful ??😂 . I've always loved my skin. Its kinda sad that some women now feel appreciated smh"

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77. Ola Iews
"Shoutout to my melanin quuens and Kings! This song is the the black anthem. As a black young male myself, I appreciate this song so much and this has made me love my dark skin even more. This song isn't only targeted to black-brown females only but also black-brown males and anyone within the black community. Thank you Beyoncé!"

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78. nkululeko sithole
"Beyonce gave the little Brown Skin girls who have bore the brunt of society's disrespect and hate, something to empower themselves with and to be reminded that they are beautiful the way God made them. Happy!"

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79. Mitsie JC
"Dear Black Girl,
When they tell her
that her skin is 'too dark'
I do not hesitate to remind them,
that the sun loved her so much
he kissed her more than the rest of us"
--Unknown

"It is a blessing to be the color of the earth
Do you know how often
Flowers mistake me for home"
--Rupi Kaur

My favorite poems about Black and Brown girls."

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80. luh Bebe
"Where all my brown skin shades and dark skin shades@!!!!😍😍😍💗💗💗💗💗💗"

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81. Fides Nzirubusa
"Is they talkin about black girls? I'm black I just want to verify."

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82. luh Bebe
"@Fides Nzirubusa black/mixed/African all😍"

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83. Fides Nzirubusa
"@luh Bebe oh ok!! I'm also African btws!🇷🇼🇺🇸🇧🇮💪🏾💓💓"

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84. Karou Stallion
"Here we areee 🙌🏽"

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85. Jessica Cooper
"Present 💝"

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86. Legit Bitxh
"I think she purposely said brown skin girl because if you think about it all or most black girls have brown skin. we just have different shades of brown. I hate colorism and never liked the light skin black or dark skin black labels. we all are black girls and we all have brown skin lets not entertain their colorism that they use to separate us"

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87. Brookaeee Cookaeee
"Wow this makes me so happy to hear a song like this from such a popular artist!! I’m light skinned but this song uplifts me as well to know that it’s gonna make a girl with darker complexion feel happy and good about her skin!"

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88. Mist
"The thing is, you can enjoy this song even if you’re white in terms of it being empowering to black women whose beauty has long been diminished and compared to Western standards of beauty. It might not be FOR white people, but that doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy the song and appreciate the message."

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89. Jai David
"While I understand it says Brown Skin GIRL. I am a man. And I still feel like this song is for me too. I have been put down too many times to count because of my skin. It has been a point of insecurity for me. I honestly have wanted to bleach my own skin. But I've been learning to love myself, and this song really came at a good time. There's nothing wrong with being black. We are a powerful, strong and beautiful people, with rich heritage. No shame."

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90. Khanstantly LovingLife
"I love this song!!!! I'm lighskinned black, but my daughters are brown skinned. ✊🏾❤️✊🏾 REPRESENT!"

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African American Comments About Colorism & Being Melanated (From The YouTube Discussion Thread Of Coco Jones' 2018 Song "Just My Luck"

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases the 2018 song "Just My Luck" by African American singer/actress Coco Jones.

This post also presents information about the terms "colorism", "melanin", and "melanated" and archives selected comments about those topics from the discussion thread for that Rhythm & Blues song.

The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Coco Jones for her musical legacy and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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INFORMATION ABOUT COLORISM
Excerpt #1:
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_based_on_skin_color
""colorism" = "Discrimination based on skin color, ...usually from members of the same race in which people are treated differently based on the social implications from cultural meanings attached to skin color."...

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Excerpt #2
From https://www.bustle.com/articles/37427-5-truths-about-colorism-that-ive-learned-as-a-black-woman-in-nyc"5 Truths About Colorism That I've Learned As a Black Woman In NYC" by Kristin Collins Jackson, Nov 18 2014
..."Colorism is the principle that those with lighter, fairer skin are treated with a higher regard than those with darker skin, and it happens both between racial communities and within them. Media outlets have long been accused of using Photoshop to lighten darker-skinned folks in order to make them more appealing to the masses. During Obama's first run for president, sources audaciously pointed out that our first black president was a light-skinned man, suggesting that he may not have been elected or had the same opportunities to be elected if he were darker-skinned. This discrimination has historical roots — during slavery, lighter-skinned black people often worked in the house, while darker-skinned black people were relegated to work in the fields.

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colorism is one of the worst types of discrimination, it in itself does not discriminate. It exists everywhere, in all cultures, and in all races."...

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Excerpt #3:
From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Colorism
"Colorism
The discrimination of African Americans by Skin tone in their own community, usually subconsciously done, as most Blacks dont realize they're doing it until some dumb rapper or famous person makes a stupid untrue statement about darker toned women.

Perpetuated during slavery and by the media which seems to suggest lighter skin females to be of a higher stance than darker ones.

Perpetuated by rappers who often show more lighter skinned women in videos and hardly any darker ones.

Perpetuated by some Black men who treat lighter skinned females in a higher regard than darker toned ones.

An untrue Inplication that darker skin girls cannot be as fine as lighter ones. Bullsh&t*.
Example of statements made for colorism

1.(rapper) "She gotta be a thick lightskinned redbone...long hair..."

2. "Dang you cute... for a dark skinned girl."

3. "Lightskinned girls just way finer! I dont want no dark girl!"
#tone#black#racism#african american]#race"
by loblg88 January 17, 2010
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.

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COLLOQUIAL USE OF "MELANIN" AND "MELANATED"
The terms "melanin" and "melanated" have been widely used since around 2014 among certain populations of African Americans (those who are "woke" - conscious of the political & social realities of race). Among this se population, "melanated" is an adjective that means "full of melanin" (i.e. full of Black African ancestry). "Melanated" is especially used to refer to Black people with dark brown skin.

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/05/what-does-term-melanated-mean-when-did.html for the May 2019 pancocojams post entitled "What Does The Term "Melanated" Mean & When Did "Melanin" Become A Popular Referent For Black People?"

Here's an excerpt from that pancocojams blog post:
From https://www.dictionary.com/browse/melanin
"any of a class of insoluble pigments, found in all forms of animal life, that account for the dark color of skin, hair, fur, scales, feathers, etc.

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ORIGIN OF THE TERM MELANIN
First recorded in 1835–45; melan- + -in2

RELATED FORMS
mel·a·nin·like, adjective"
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That website doesn’t include the term “melanated”, which suggests that it is a relatively new form of the word "melanin". "Melanated" is an adjective.

"The earliest online use of "melanated" that I've found to date is 2011: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f966-oGe2ns"MELANATED people please wake up?????(no captions pt.1)" published by KingteamEmpire on Dec 29, 2011.*
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*WARNING: That YouTube sound file (with drawings & photos) contains some profanity, the "n word", and other verbal & visual content that I believe is inappropriate for children.
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SHOWCASE YOUTUBE VIDEO- Coco Jones- "Just My Luck" (Official Music Video)



cocojonessings, Published on Sep 18, 2018
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Statistics as of July 22, 2019 at 9:34 AM
total view - 1,554,131

total likes - 69K

total dislikes -593

total comments -3,375
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Here's an excerpt from the song "Just My Luck" composed and performed by Coco Jones:
..."Does my confidence offend you
Cookie cutter enough for you
Is my melanin offensive
Do I talk more than I should, you tell me
Do I meet the standard, well?
Do I fit in the box or am I just...
Too much to handle, no I'm just...
Too much to stop

'Cause I won't ever let you
In the way of me and only me
Still I rise what they raised me on
I guarantee ya
On my mama, and my sisters, I'ma get there
I'ma win it, twenty-nine years or fifteen minutes, we going up"...
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Click https://genius.com/Coco-jones-just-my-luck-lyrics for the complete lyrics for this song.

Click https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/coco-jones-34987.php for information about Coco Jones.

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SELECTED COMMENTS
Here are some comments about "colorism" from the discussion thread for this sound file (with numbers added for referencing purposes only)
1. savagex samura 38heart, 2018
"Yes finally, a person who SPEAKS FOR SKIN COLOR

#NORACISMONMYSKIN

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2. Miy'Ka El Lovai, 2018
"@cocojonessings Facts"

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3. cecez, 2018
"For me being a darkskin female this hit home for pointing out colorism even though it doesn't really say it you really have to listen to understand it. Love this song👏👏. Coco Jones looks beautiful 😍😍😍"

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4. Tiffany Rose, 2018
"she said “is my melanin offensive?” WHEW. i love this. you’re my inspiration coco. my darkskin icon.

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5. cocojonessings, 2018
"Tiffany Rose It’s real out hear... just had to tell my truth"

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6. rajecks, 2018
"Dear darkskinned women, rally around artists like this young lady. We have the power to change the narrative by putting our coins behind women who represent us. Don't wait for the mainstream to push people like her...companies recognize how and what you spend your money on. When you support her, they notice"

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7. Tanisha Lashay, 2018
"dear BLACK women because we all need to support her instead of just lightkin sistahs all the time."

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8. SuperRanchero10, 2018
"@Tanisha Lashay that part! Same thing I was thinking. We all need to support one another. Period."

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9. latavia cloud, 2018
"Why dark skinned women? Why not all women? Why do we separate are selfs from the rest of the females? Young light skinned and dark skin ladies are still ladies. None of us have control over how much melanin is in our skin."

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10. Anthony Collins, 2018
"@Tanisha Lashay thank you someone said black people in general p.s I'm dark skin and a man I love all my black woman there all beautiful queens"

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11. Amber Turner, 2018
"Tanisha Lashay took the words out of my mouth"

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12. rajecks, 2018
"For everyone who wants to “all lives matter what I said” now listen carefully, I said what I said. I’m sorry it triggered you, I’m specifically speaking to DARK SKINNED black women. I love how same black people who understand rascism and complain about it, almost always pretend not to understand colorism and how it has ravaged communities of color. You and I know, th at dark skinned ladies, no matter how beautiful and talented are not given same opportunities as their lighter counterparts! If you as a black person denies this, then you are delusional. The reason I pointedly mentioned dark skinned women, is because most of them know or understand to some extent what I’m speaking off. Also, because we can’t wait for anything external to help us. We must help our selves. Check out the statistics on how dark skinned people are treated in comparison to their lighter counterparts"

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13. Tez Mania, 2018
"rajecks she really not darkskin"

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14. Shantrelle Jones, 2019
"@rajecks i am light skinned, and I understand what your saying. I dont know how old you are, but from my understanding older generations have had to deal with colorism. I am only 18....light skinned, brown skinned, dark skinned....we are all still black. We all need to support each other, and stop making everything a shade controversy. Why is it that people want to make more of a problem within a black community? As if we need it. All of us black people need support each other."

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15. rajecks, 2019
"Shantrelle Jones If you truly understood what I just said then your response would have been different. If you honestly think black people need to support each other, then you would have understood why it is important to support and elevate dark skin people. People are still being bullied/killing themselves over having dark skin and you are here talking about the older generation. Shade discrimination is very much alive today. I addressed dark skinned women because women like you pretend to understand but you really don’t understand as evidenced by your response. Look at the top 3 black women in music? Let that make you think about representation"

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16. _galactic stars_, 2019
"rajecks thanks for acknowledging that colorism exists . and for giving us darker shades some love ♥️."

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17. Victoria's World, 2019
"I'm not dark skin but we need to bring more artists with dark complexions to the fourth front like NAO,Fantasia,Jasmine Sullivan, etc"

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18. Jay W, 2019
"@latavia cloud us dark skinned women are always pushed aside. Unfortunately in the industry we aren't just all women."

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19. Dylan Sibanda, 2019
"Fact, those guys look at the numbers and not talent, so it's time we invest in the change we want to see and make them notice who we want to rise."

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20. 1ron Lady, 2019
"@Jaulistine Sweets she's not white so......or red even (Guyanese term)"
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I recall reading online that people in the Caribbean referring to other Black people as "red" means that those people are what African Americans would call "light skinned". That meaning is different from the African American term "redbone" which means Black people who have a reddish tinge to their complexion.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/08/what-redbone-yellowbone-and-browning.html for the May 2013 pancocojams post entitled "What "Redbone", "Yellowbone", and "Browning" Mean".

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21. Iyana Rivera, 2019
"Why just dark skinned why not all shades of brown women‼️ We count too‼️‼️"

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22. Yvette Mckinzie, 2019
"Colorism is not a secret and the way to break it is to acknowledge our whole spectrum! I'm a dark skinned sista and this statement does more harm than good! She is talented and she is black. We should rally behind her no matter what shade she is!!!"

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23. puppy princes, 2019
"@Shantrelle Jones There would always be a problem in the black community if we ignore colorism. You literally used the same rhetoric yt ppl say about avoiding racism."

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24. walter stewart, 2019
"Their is nothing wrong with a darkskin woman."

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25. Dr. Nikki YaYa, 2019
"Honey Beyoncé done put her stamp on darkskinned girls as her new album with the song BrownSkin Girl... go listen"

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26. HERCULES SQUAD, 2018
"You better sing this song melanin queen 😍😍💯‼️🔉✅"

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27. lanre hokedele, 2018
"Your melanin is beautiful. Black is strong, stay strong... Great sound"

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28. Jhope's Wonhae Manhi Manhi, 2018
""what you want from me, what you need me to be" - This song is more than melanin/skin color. This is about society's standards and how people try to make us fit into boxes. We are turned into little characters who are pulled here and there, our selves forgotten in the process.

Thank you for singing such a beautiful song with honest and raw lyrics! Thank you. I really needed to hear this."

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29. Liah Booker, 2018
"Yes Queeen! Do it. This needed to be on Nappily Ever After's sound track"
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Here's information about Nappily Ever After from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nappily_Ever_After
""Nappily Ever After" is a 2018 American romantic comedy film directed by Haifaa al-Mansour and written by Adam Brooks and Cee Marcellus. It is based on the novel of the same name by Trisha R. Thomas. The film stars Sanaa Lathan, Ernie Hudson, Lyriq Bent, Lynn Whitfield, Ricky Whittle, and Camille Guaty.

The film was released on September 21, 2018, by Netflix."...
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The word "nappily" was coined from the word "happily" and the word "nappy", which is a referent for hair textures that many people of Black African descent have.

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30. Valeria H, 2018
""Is my melanin offensive?" .... this line hit me hard 😔I love coco💖👏🏽🔥"

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31. Aaqil Bey, 2018
"All of you stay strong DARK is beautiful sisters!!!"

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32. PrincessPercie, 2018
"Sis said ''Is my melanin offesive?'' THIS LINE HIT MY SOULLLLL"

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33. Anthony makhubu, 2018
"just that line, (fire itself)"

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34. Dieulaine, 2018
"I literally cried bC some people make jokes in my class about how dark you are and stuff but they don’t talk bad about me but this one girl 😭

this is America"
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"this is America" probably means "This is in the United States of America."

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35. Bridgette Richardson, 2018
"What does it mean"

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36. Starr J, 2018
"Bridgette Richardson it's about colorism."

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37. Natasha Phiri, 2018
"@findme iseeu We do accept ourselves! Nothing about that just that we still living in times when we are still being judged for something we can't control. I love being brown - I've embraced it but I just wish that I wouldn't get discriminated because of my skin colour...your statement don't make sense, your statement makes it sound like it isn't a problem.Btw this isn't throwing any shade your way. x"

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38. Kharryn Albert, 2018
"@Dieulaine What you do is you make friends with her and make her stronger than she doesn't know that she is. Mostly all of my friends are darkskinned goddesses. No hate to the light sisters but I hear what they say in the background, ain't paying it no mind though."

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39. Dieulaine, 2018
"Kharryn Albert your right and I did and everytime someone’s messing with her i be messing with them too cause you ain’t gonna talk about God’s creation like that"

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40. Jimams_Jamz, 2018
"Dark skin women anthem"

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41. Shayla Johnson, 2019
"Black skin women anthem"

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42. the2006mvp, 2019
"Sis sang the life outta me and back in me again! Beautiful voice, beautiful young lady, and beautiful message. Keep at it!"

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43. Lay lay, 2019
"This song makes me feel good about my melanin thank you"

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44. Paula Gillison, 2019
"THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! SO MUCH SOUL, PURE ESSENCE.... I FEEL YOUR HEART SIS! SING CHILE!"

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45. monica f, 2019
"I love it! Coco, danielle brooks, and joi campbell with these recent songs talking about women of color is very touching. I love it and I hope more young girls hear these positive songs and know that their color/complexion/features are majestic and extraordinary!"

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46. James Owens, 2019
"Coco Jones, V Bozeman, and Danielle Brooke need a song together! Empowering black woman is what we need more of in today’s society. Too many people disrespecting, discouraging, and unappreciative towards black woman."

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47. Ashu Kelly, 2019
"😭 😭 😭 My ex told me my Melanie is just too much.. He wanted me to change my skin colour.. I told him to walk out of my house, and he did..."

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48. JavLyn Harris, 2019
"I NEEDED THISSSS LAWDDDD HAVE MERCYYYY😩😩😩"

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49. Pheonix, 2019
"As a Goddess among peasants...Yes, dark skin beauty offends, evokes jealousy in its purest form and terrifies the simplest if minds. There's more darkness in the universe than there is light...we will always be first and will therefore be last....

The color of creation...made in her image."

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50. KRE8TAHZ, 2019
"MelaNATION STAND UP🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯"

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Two Reprints Of Non-Pancocojams Internet Posts About Racial Descriptors In The Caribbean

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post presents a complete reprint of the November 1, 2011 blog post by soyluv (Soyini Ayanna) entitled "In the Castle of Our Skins: Darkies, Brownings and Red Woman".

Three comment (responses) from that blog posts' readers are also included in this pancocojams post.

This pancocojams posts also presents a complete reprint of the November 30, 2018 post entitled "Being Brown Skin in The Caribbean Facing the Issue of Colourism" by Krystal Penny Bowen.

The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to soyluv (Soyini Ayanna) and thanks to Krystal Penny Bowen. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/08/what-redbone-yellowbone-and-browning.html for a closely related 2013 pancocojams post entitled "What "Redbone", "Yellowbone", and "Browning" Mean".

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
These reprinted posts explore the socio-cultural implications of the Caribbean racial descriptors "darkie" (also written as "darky), "browning", "red", "dougla", "yellow" etc. These descriptors predate by a century, if not by more than one century, the currently popular use (among some Black Americans and by extension probably by Black people outside of the United States) of the term "melanin" and "melanated". However, it's important to note that the Caribbean terms "darky", "red", "yellow" don't have the same meanings and the same socio-cultural (positive, negative, or neutral) implications that the similar terms "blacky", "redbone", and "high yellow" have for African Americans.

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WHY I FEATURE REPRINTED ARTICLES IN THIS BLOG
I re-print complete internet articles/blog posts or lengthy excerpts of those articles/blog posts (and particularly those that are five years or older) as a means of increasing awareness of those articles and their subjects.

Hyperlinks to these articles'/posts' internet addresses are given as a means to encourage pancocojams readers to visit the original internet sources of those articles and read/watch the entire content or view (in the case of photos/videos).

Article writers/editors and editors of these featured blogs are asked to contact me if they have concerns about my showcasing their article/blog post.

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BLOG POSTS REPRINTS
Reprint #1:
From https://soyluv.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/darkies-brownings-and-red-woman/
"In the Castle of Our Skins: Darkies, Brownings and Red Woman" by soyluv (Soyini Ayanna)
"The proliferation of “darkie” to describe women of a dark skin tone in Trinidad and Tobago is a fascinating and complicated space within which to explore. Though “darkie” and its popular conflation with “sweet” may exist as catcalls alongside a sout [1], frequently proclaimed by men to dark-skinned women out in the street or elsewhere, this term is not solely reserved for females. Men can and are categorically defined as “sweet darkies” too. Most importantly, darkie is understood to be reserved for those of a specific skin shade and ethnic group simultaneously.

In Trinidad, where “darkie” takes root and flourishes in the local parlance with t-shirts available by a local designer proclaiming, “I love my Trini darkie,” (as well as “my Trini reds” and “my Trini browning”), the term functions as an important reaffirmation of Afro-descendant beauty, by calling attention to a certain skin tone in all its chocolate splendor. Its contemporary usage in Trinbagonian society is also markedly different from the American term “darky” (or other cultural uses, with or without a “y”) which is an old termed racial slur, rooted in the era of blackface, epitomizing the negative stereotypes of all dark-skinned people.

This is a country where “madras” refers to a dark-skinned East Indian person and a “dougla” (any person of mixed African and East Indian descent), may fall within a range of skin tones from fair to dark. Darkie functions in a slightly different way, where it serves to singularly encompass an Afro-Trinidadian aesthetic of perceived attractiveness. It certainly can be used as purely descriptive, along the lines of a general physical trait, but darkie is usually understood to be nuanced in a way that makes it different from the terms mentioned above. Darkie is flexible, in that it may solely be attributed to implied attractiveness or one’s skin tone and usually, the context involves an understood interconnection of the two. Far from simply objectifying the individual, darkie is a celebratory, verbal sound-kiss against ebony skin and represents a reimagining of who can be declared attractive.

Against a backdrop of slavery and colonialisation, religious doctrines, heterocentric and patriarchal norms: prescribed gender roles and perceived female desirability become informed by a variety of these institutions. Skin shade, socioeconomic class and perceived attractiveness often become interconnected. One term that comes to mind in correlation to darkie is “browning” and the two terms function differently in distinct ways. Patricia Mohammed describes the usage of “browning” in Jamaica and the rest of the region as connected to “a preference for ‘brown’ as opposed to black women or unmixed women” (22).

On the other hand, in the Caribbean, like many regions within the diaspora, where gradations of color and their categories sometimes abound, there is no such confusion as to who constitutes a darkie in Trinidad. In Jamaica, stereotypes of an economic frame, such as the so-called “brown tax”[2] are directly linked to the assumed socioeconomic status of persons of a particular shade. Browning then, operates in Jamaica as a kind of attributed socioeconomic marker as well. It is class, color and status (and for women especially: desirability) all rolled into one, in a way that darkie is not. Comparatively, the term “darkie” does not confer any particular social or economic status for the ascribed individual, other than, being a dark-skinned person. For women in and of the Caribbean region, brownness is usually directly linked to perceptions of beauty and desirability.

Much like the infamous paper-bag test in America, “browning” embodies the notion that browner is better and lighter is better. Concurrently, the “redbone”[3] in American culture, especially in hip-hop pop culture, is almost always a desirable female of a particular shade. She is the counterpart of the desirable brown-skinned woman and the similarly lauded mixed raced woman. One of the things that colorism enables is the separation of some people from their trace blackness, as well as systematically serving the role of helping people to distance themselves from blackness as a whole and the legacy of that association. It also allows some people to safely attribute some non-specific racial heritage with just the right amount of select African heritage and/or physical traits.

In Trinidad, Aisha Khan notes that the term “Spanish” functions in that way where “ ‘Spanish’ is used in part to affirm an ethnic hierarchy where ‘softened’ or ambiguous ‘African’ or ‘black’ convey and confer a higher status that modifies stronger more clear-cut expressions of ‘African’ or ‘black’ attributes” (185). And what of the desirable dark-skinned, phenotypically black looking, African descendant woman one might wonder? The counterpart to the “browning”, “redbone”, “spanish”, “dougs”[4] and the “red woman”[5]—except for “darkie,” it’s like she doesn’t exist anywhere in the lexicon.

Darkie then is more than just a kind of vocabulary to describe dark-skinned Trinbagonians; rather, it allows a site for asserting unambiguous black beauty that rarely takes place in some spaces. When female desirability becomes stacked inside culturally prevailing Eurocentric ideals, dark-skinned black women are usually relegated to the bottom rung, esteemed occasionally for a redeeming factor like quality or length of hair, or watered down, strategically placed African derived attributes.

In 2008, Orlando Octave Jr.’s hugely popular reggae love song “Darkie,” rode a wave of popularity on the airwaves in Trinidad and Tobago and throughout the region with its sweet melody, verbal play and recognizable hook of “darkie, whey yuh from?—a long time me a call you but yuh never wah come.” Paying homage to the lovely dark-skinned female who is “a helluva girl” with “de face and de figure,” Octave’s darkie is desirable, beautiful and elusive. Her elusiveness is embodied by Octave’s constant quest to know “whey yuh from” and Octave is careful to distinguish exactly what kind of dark-skinned beauty this is, lest listeners make presumptions. Similarly, he is personally invested in unpacking some of his darkie’s attributes, both internal and external, while being acutely aware of the responsibility behind the creation of this anthem for darkies.

Thus, his darkie “went tuh school and she came out a scholar,” is a “leader of de pack, rest ah girls have tuh follow.” She is “from down South” though she is liming/espied or visiting “on de Beetham”[6]. Similarly, she is fittingly “nuh gold digger / When yuh come to she / Yuh better come to she proper / ‘Cause, say, she got all she need in life / And, she doh need a boyfriend fi survive.” Most significantly, he asserts that “most of all gyul / I’m in love with yuh color.” In an interview in Abstract magazine, Octave explained his intention behind the song noting, “I sang about darkies because darkies don’t have a song,” added to the fact that “red woman always get the ‘rate-up’ ” (“Orlando Octave”). Somewhat ironically, when asked in the same interview about his own preference for women, Octave admits with a “blush” that “actually I go for red-skinned girls but complexion does not really matter” (“Orlando Octave”).

Still, for many dark-skinned women and most significantly, the young girls who tune into new popular music in droves and are especially susceptible to the images within, the message in song was widely appreciated. In a continuously media driven world, where pop cultural images in music and media assault us from every angle, West Indian women of every shade may grapple with self-identity and beauty issues. It is imperative that we all continue to contextualize, challenge and deconstruct these long-held notions of beauty and desirability with regard to skin shade. “Darkie” then, by its mere existence as a construct within the lexicon, as well as through its semantic power of implied endearing meaning, helps us to do so. It does so through its direct simplicity, its self-affirming implication of beauty and desirability and its locale, deep within a dark skin tone.

Artwork, “Forgive and Forget” by Tanya Marie Williams.

Notes
[1] A distinct, non-verbal catcall that is well known in TnT. It is sort of like a suck-teeth sound crossed with a hiss that can be sent across a distance to get someone’s attention that you may or may not know. It can be made and employed by both men and women to one another; may include a verbal accompaniment such as “darkie!” or “family!” for two examples.

[2] I learnt about this phenomenon through reading “The Browning Complex I,”a hilarious and revelatory blog entry that decried and explained the “BMS” or “Brown People have Money Syndrome” in Jamaica, which the writer has unfairly suffered and is manifested by the “brown skin tax” (BST) that he invariably has to pay higglers, fridge repair men and other assorted individuals.

[3] From my understanding, a light-skinned, black female (usually) on par with the red-skinned woman in Trinidad, who of course, may or may not self-identify as racially mixed. Some variegation can be found in its usage, as well as regional and cultural disagreements over where this skin shade starts and ‘stops’ so to speak. In hip-hop, the redbone is always linked to sexual desirability, being a prize and a “dime piece” (that is to say, the kind of female a man will covet, treasure and be proud to show off) and overall, is cast as the desired.

[4] A colloquial shortening of “dougla.”

[5] A light-skinned female: black or “mixed-up.”

[6] Refers to Beetham Gardens, also called Beetham Estate Gardens. A low-income, purportedly primarily Afro-Trinidadian community outside of Port-Of-Spain. Because of the perceived socio-cultural stigma of being “from” the Beetham (however ill-placed and ill-founded such things are), I interpreted Octave’s line as symbolic and significant of a couple of things. Firstly, of esteeming Beetham: because this gorgeous, highly educated, dark skinned girl, who is not from there but is comfortable with going there for whatever reason. Problematically too, this darkie is “on” the Beetham but not from that place, so this allows her the distinction of not actually being envisioned as one of them, in case anybody dared to place her there inside the song, simply by virtue of being a dark skinned female.

References
ETNT, “Orlando Octave.” eAbstractMag. Abstract Magazine, n.d. Web.

Khan, Aisha. “What is ‘a Spanish’?: Ambiguity and ‘Mixed’ Ethnicity in Trinidad.” Trinidad Ethnicity. Ed. Kevin Yelvington. Knoxville: University of Tennessee Press, 1993. Print.

Mohammed, Patricia. “ ‘But Most of All mi Love me browning’: The Emergence in Eighteenth and Nineteenth-Century Jamaica of the Mulatto woman as the Desired.” Feminist Review. 65 (2000): 22-48. Print.

Octave, Orlando. “Darkie.” Trinidad and Tobago. MP3 file.

Stunner, “The Browning Complex: I call it Discrimination!” Stunner’s Afflictions: My amazing Adventures and Perspective on Life, 09 Mar. 2006. Web.

A version of this essay first appeared on Trinidad Junction."
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Selected comment responses (3 out of 9 responses, including internet notices about that post)

These numbers differ from the numbers that were assigned on that blog. I've assigned these numbers for referencing purposes only.
1. derevolushunwidin Says:
November 5, 2011 at 10:05 pm
"It was certainly difficult for me to wrap my mind around the use of the word darkie in Trinidad. I was initially suspicious b/c of the connotations of browning, red, clear, Spanish etc. but I realised with time the darkie was actually simply a descriptor that appeared to have no negative or privileged connotation attached to it. It was a positive and I would argue affirming reference in the diaspora that so often privileges that which is not African.
Thanks for fleshing it out. Excellent piece!"

2. soyluv Says:
November 6, 2011 at 11:09 pm
"Thanks! The manifestation of this piece came through an older blog piece where I spoke about loving being “a sweet darkie” myself, really liking hearing it tossed my way in the street at home because I missed hearing it, and I knew it warmed me on the inside because it was powerful and did something that other similar terms didn’t (couldn’t) do but I hadn’t begun to unpack why, until I started writing about it. I knew my color was being objectified in a sense–I didn’t feel I was, though I was too, in a way. As a feminist, writing about it was awkward at first, to begin to acknowledge the implications behind all this. But I stand by its positive affirmation more than anything else.

That “darkie” is anywhere in the realm of complimentary, given that our society is still rife with color-complexes and everything connected–is very amazing. And we still know about calling people “blue-black” or “so black dey blue”–which is just a degree of skin tone description that’s not at all celebratory. It’s no different from how the “red woman” is always presumed to be appealing and attractive–unless said otherwise. Color helps carries the notion. This is evidenced by those instances when people might say of a certain person, “they only have color” but they’re not attractive. As if color is currency by itself–and we know to some people–it is. If color is currency, then what is the worth of “darkie” in the landscape of brown and light skinned notions of prettiness for women?

Knowing too that language is alive and ever evolving; I really hope that doesn’t change. But I see generational shifts already. When I was a younger, darkie was always implied with attractiveness embedded in there. It was almost implicit. A sweet darkie was sexy, attractive and dark-skinned simultaneously–male or female. And that’s some powerful assertions. Otherwise you could just describe someone otherwise. Teenagers now, I’ve noticed, sometimes use darkie to be more skin-tone descriptive in a way–so the pendulum swings a bit. Though for girls, you can still see it used as a barometer for good looks and skin tone at the same time. And that distinction is so damn necessary."

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3. Dave Says:
January 4, 2012 at 6:44 am
"If y’all want the “final solution” to this dark skin “problem” I suggest a visit to the new Republic of South Sudan and bring back some pics of the most gorgeous, tall, sexy and VERY DARK women who never need any condescension from Orlando or anyone else that “Black is beautiful” or any such patronizing comment. These women can stand toe-to-toe with any “lighter-coloured” women anywhere in the world. While you’re at it, check out the women of Kenya, East Africa, and South India, all very dark-skinned and all (or most) exceptionally classy and gorgeous. The truth of all of this will eventually come out and this tendency to make a spectacle of the very dark-skinned will die out, the sooner the better. Btw, how come no one in the Bible (except for the Queen of Sheba) was dark-skinned or ever depicted as such? Could that be where the problem for the dark-skinned started?"

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From https://medium.com/@krystalpennybowen/mystic-to-misery-df158eb587b"Mystic to Misery
Being Brown Skin in The Caribbean Facing the Issue of Colourism" By Krystal Penny Bowen, Nov 30, 2018
"It is ironic that people who despite their many shades are categorised by other races as Black while within the group of Black people there is an persistent issue of colourism.

So how Black are you?

In colonial Caribbean, particularly in Barbados, the tone of your skin determined what friends you had, the places you could live, what job you had and desirability by a potential mate. Controversial? Yes, but true. Today, this interracial discrimination still exists as everyday someone who comes from your same “race” judges you on your status and worth in society (ever so subtly) based on nothing more than the tone of your skin.
From childhood, if you are caramel, bronze colour, you are brown skin, if you are colour is lighter, you are known as Reds or Yellow. Confusing….there is also classifications within these tones, the lighter you are, you may be thought of as “pretty”, great”, “special” or even “sometimish” or “unmannerly/unmarley”. If you are have deep brown or dark skin, you are now “darkie” and your attractiveness may diminish.

This is not a Caribbean issue or African issue but a global issue which was further complicated by slavery, colonialism, education, its histories, media and fashion industry as to what is considered accepted notions of beauty. Soyini Ayanna in “In the Castle of Our Skins: Darkies, Brownings and Red Woman” summed up a reality Black people specifically women face in society. She stated that “One of the things that colorism [sic] enables is the separation of some people from their trace blackness, as well as systematically serving the role of helping people to distance themselves from blackness as a whole and the legacy of that association”.

Writer, Mary C. Waters in her book, “Black Identities: West Indian Immigrant Dreams And American Realities” wrote that the “social construction of race in the Caribbean has historically been different than in the United States”. Also she highlighted the similarities of Hispanic Caribbean to English Caribbean where both sets of societies recognised shades of colour between black and white.

Since independence of most Caribbean nations from colonisers and the civil rights movement in United States, some Black people have seen an improvement in their lives through education and work opportunities. However, many continue to be victims of poverty, leading a life of crime and drug abuse. Psychologically, the legacy of the plantation and European caste system still affects our society with many people particularly women opting to wear European weaves and bleaching their skin. As many people of colour continue to face discrimination and racism at a national level, dealing with the issue of colourism with the race is rarely addressed as this further divides this group of people. Presently, there are two camps of thought, those who embrace African styled natural hair and those who use hair extensions and bleaching creams to identify with European aesthetic. In Black. music, news reporting, fashion magazines, there is the whitening or lightening of the Black person. It is even more evident in Spanish speaking or South American countries. E.g. replacement of 2016 Brazil Carnaval Queen Nayara Justino who has a dark skin tone.

Noting this, there is a need to improve race esteem since the rules about colour which determined a person’s worth and position in society are systematically erroneous and without merit."

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Orlando Octave - "Darkie" (2008 hit Trinidad/Tobago song)

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This pancocojams post quotes a review of Orlando Octave's 2008 hit Trinidadian/Tobagan song "Darkie" that was included in the 2011 blog post "In the Castle of Our Skins: Darkies, Brownings and Red Woman" by soyluv (Soyini Ayanna).

A YouTube video of that Reggae song is also included in this post along with one comment from that video's discussion thread. In addition, this post includes my attempt to transcribe some additional lyrics of Orlando Octave's song "Darkie". (Additions and corrections are welcome.)

The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Orlando Octave for his musical legacy. Thanks also to soyluv (Soyini Ayanna), the writer of the blog post that is quoted here, and thanks to all others who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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SHOWCASE YOUTUBE VIDEO - ORLANDO OCTAVE official Music video



Colin 'RevolutionEyz' De Freitas, Published on Jul 3, 2010

The Official Music Video_A Cinderella story- Ode to all Women of color- Brown skin where yuh from?
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Statistics as of July 23, 2019 at 11:11 AM EST
total # of views: 89,762
total # of likes: 521
total # of dislikes: 11
total # of comments- 26
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It's interesting that the publisher refers to this song as "a Cinderella story", an "ode to all women of color", and then quotes the line "Brown skin where yuh from". In that record, the line "brown girl where yuh from" is only sung two times (around 1:12 in this video). The title of the song and the skin color referent that is most often used in this record is "darkie" (a Trinidadian referent for a dark skinned Black girl). I wonder if the reason why the publisher of this YouTube sound file didn't correctly describe this record in that summary was because of the negative connotations for the word "darkie" in the United States and in many other nations outside of the Caribbean (and also within the Caribbean such as the Dominican Republic).
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Here's a comment from this video's discussion thread:
bubblez barbie, 2012
"THIS SONG GO'S OUT TO ALL THE GOOD LOOKING BLACK AND LIGHT SKIN WOMEN WE KNOW WE PRETTY"

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BLOG POST EXCERPT ABOUT ORLANDO OCTAVE'S SONG "DARKIE"
From https://soyluv.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/darkies-brownings-and-red-woman/
"In the Castle of Our Skins: Darkies, Brownings and Red Woman" by soyluv (Soyini Ayanna)
..."In 2008, Orlando Octave Jr.’s hugely popular reggae love song “Darkie,” rode a wave of popularity on the airwaves in Trinidad and Tobago and throughout the region with its sweet melody, verbal play and recognizable hook of “darkie, whey yuh from?—a long time me a call you but yuh never wah come.” Paying homage to the lovely dark-skinned female who is “a helluva girl” with “de face and de figure,” Octave’s darkie is desirable, beautiful and elusive. Her elusiveness is embodied by Octave’s constant quest to know “whey yuh from” and Octave is careful to distinguish exactly what kind of dark-skinned beauty this is, lest listeners make presumptions. Similarly, he is personally invested in unpacking some of his darkie’s attributes, both internal and external, while being acutely aware of the responsibility behind the creation of this anthem for darkies.

Thus, his darkie “went tuh school and she came out a scholar,” is a “leader of de pack, rest ah girls have tuh follow.” She is “from down South” though she is liming/espied or visiting “on de Beetham”[6]. Similarly, she is fittingly “nuh gold digger / When yuh come to she / Yuh better come to she proper / ‘Cause, say, she got all she need in life / And, she doh need a boyfriend fi survive.” Most significantly, he asserts that “most of all gyul / I’m in love with yuh color.” In an interview in Abstract magazine, Octave explained his intention behind the song noting, “I sang about darkies because darkies don’t have a song,” added to the fact that “red woman always get the ‘rate-up’ ” (“Orlando Octave”). Somewhat ironically, when asked in the same interview about his own preference for women, Octave admits with a “blush” that “actually I go for red-skinned girls but complexion does not really matter” (“Orlando Octave”).

Still, for many dark-skinned women and most significantly, the young girls who tune into new popular music in droves and are especially susceptible to the images within, the message in song was widely appreciated. In a continuously media driven world, where pop cultural images in music and media assault us from every angle, West Indian women of every shade may grapple with self-identity and beauty issues. It is imperative that we all continue to contextualize, challenge and deconstruct these long-held notions of beauty and desirability with regard to skin shade. “Darkie” then, by its mere existence as a construct within the lexicon, as well as through its semantic power of implied endearing meaning, helps us to do so. It does so through its direct simplicity, its self-affirming implication of beauty and desirability and its locale, deep within a dark skin tone."

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ADDITIONAL LYRICS FROM & MY NOTES ABOUT ORLANDO OCTAVE'S SONG "DARKIE"
Unfortunately, I've not been able to find any lyrics for Orlando Octave's 2008 song "Darkie" other than the partial lyrics that are included in soyluv's 2011 blog post "In the Castle of Our Skins: Darkies, Brownings and Red Woman" (cited and quoted above).

My notes below are my attempt to add to those lyrics. I refer to these as "notes" instead of even a "partial transcription" because I'm just writing down some of the lyrics from the songs that I can decipher.

Additions and corrections are REALLY welcome. I believe that this song is too culturally significant not to have its lyrics documented online.

Overall summation- This is a love song in praise of a dark skin young woman who the singer refers to as "darkie". The fact that this is a complementary referent in the culture (Trinidad/Tobago) where the singer is from is indicated by the words of the song. That fact is also indicated by the video skit where the young women are shown listening to a radio announcer say that the singer is going to do a live appearance in that city and wants to choose someone to play the part of the "darkie" who is being serenaded. In that skit the The girls fight each other over which one of them will compete to play that role.

These lyric portions are given in sequential order up to the end of the song.

One line - "She’s a hell of a girl".

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Another two lines - "I’m in love with your color
so when you see the rude boy please holla"

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At 1:12 in this song the singer says "brown skin where you from" before switching back to "darkie where you from"

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Another portion of the song:
I never cheat on you...
I want to be a part of your life
‘cause you’re the one for me
'cause you and me could start a family
girl, anything that you say
I get it right away

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spelling portion of the song begins at 2:23 to around 2:50 [I'm really unsure about the accuracy of some of these "transcriptions", particularly the ones given in italics.]

S.i.n o.m.e rough call the p.o.l.i.c.e
Walk up and down the o.a.g
Girl it’s w.r.o.n.g
b.a.d. r.o.u.n.d
every guy she meets she wanna u.s.e.
That is not the right thing it’s i. n. g
It’s not like the right one it’s s.h.e

beginning at 3:12:
I wanna l.o.v.e love ya
I wanna k.i.s.s kiss ya
I wanna h.u.g hug ya
cause I love ya love ya
I wanna l.o.v.e love ya
I wanna k.i.s.s kiss ya
l.o.v.e love ya love ya”


This is the end of my attempted "transcription". Please help document this song by sharing its correct lyrics. Thanks!

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What Does The Lyrics "Melanin Too Dark To Thrown Her Shade" REALLY Mean In Beyonce's "Brown Skin Girl" Song?

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This pancocojams post explores the possible meanings of the line "melanin too dark to throw her shade" in Beyonce's 2019 song "Brown Skin Girl".

This post also features the verse from that song that includes that line.

The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the composers of this song and thanks to Beyonce for her musical legacy. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Much of the content of this post was written as comments in this July 21, 2019 pancocojams post https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/07/brown-skin-girls-throughout-world.html"Brown Skin Girls Throughout The World Comment About Beyoncé's Song "Brown Skin Girl""

Please share your explanations for that line in the comment section below. Thanks!

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PARTIAL LYRICS FROM BEYONCE'S SONG "BROWN SKIN GIRL"
[Verse 2: Beyoncé]
"Pose like a trophy when Naomis walk in
She need an Oscar for that pretty dark skin
Pretty like Lupita when the cameras close in
Drip broke the levee when my Kellys roll in
I think tonight she might braid her braids
Melanin too dark to throw her shade
She minds her business and wines her waist
Gold like 24k, okay"

Click https://genius.com/Beyonce-saint-jhn-and-wizkid-brown-skin-girl-lyrics for the complete lyrics for this song.

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MY COMMENTS POSTED TO THE PANCOCOJAMS POST ABOUT BEYONCE'S "BROWN SKIN GIRL" SONG
Azizi Powell, July 23, 2019 at 4:14 PM
"Here's a link to a July 23, 2019 article about Beyonce's "Brown Skin Girl": https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/beyonc-brown-skin-girl-not-160516568.html
If I correctly understand its main point, that article states that Beyonce's "Brown Skin Girl" is and should be directed only toward dark skinned Black females. [Note: I disagree with this point.]

The author of that article reached that conclusion by explaining a line in that song whose meaning I'm still not sure about:
"Beyoncé is deliberate in her intention by mentioning beautiful brown beauties Lupita Nyong’o, Naomi Campbell, and Kelly Rowland in the lyrics of the song.

She added to her specific pigment description by saying “melanin too dark to throw her shade.” For those of us with basic knowledge of the parts of speech, we know that the word “too” is an adverb that emphasizes the adjective “dark” to create a stronger sense of the darkness being referred to.

To break it down: Mathematically, that “too” would more than likely be represented as a power symbol on top of a number to show that the number is to be multiplied to equal something of greater value. Extra. More. Additional. This degree of melanin is specifically devoted to women who are often berated for their Blackness, women who represent African ancestry and heritage and are mocked for it.

This song is for those Black woman."...

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Azizi Powell, July 23, 2019 at 5:10 PM
"I think that article's author Imani Bashir, is suggesting is that the lyrics "melanin too dark to thrown her shade" means that the person's melanin is "extra dark" and therefore it can provide shade (against the hot sun)- better than melanin that is not extra dark.

And that might be what those words mean in the context of that song. However, part of my problem with this interpretation is that in American English "too [something]" is usually a negative -examples: "too big", "too loud", "too much".

The word "too" might mean "very" or "so". I don't suppose that Beyonce's song means that a dark skinned person's melanin is too dark (extra dark?; very dark?, so dark?).

Maybe it's just my socialization that makes me think of this interpretation.

Clearly, the word "too" isn't supposed to be a negative in this song or is this song throwing shade?"

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Azizi Powell, July 23, 2019 at 5:13 PM
"Am I the only one that thinks about the African American drag originated phrase "throwing shade" when they hear or read the phrase "melanin too dark to throw her shade"?

A definition for "throwing shade" is "making an artfully executed verbal or non-verbal insult".*

Are the words "too dark melanin" supposed to be throwing shade at people who have dark skin colors? (This can't be correct given Beyonce's song is sung in celebration of dark brown skin.)

But dark skinned people -and not just dark skinned Black people-are used to being subtly and directly insulted by people because of their skin color so, there's that.**

What do you think the lyrics "melanin too dark to throw her shade" means (in the context of Beyonce's song)?.

*Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/04/throwing-shade-definition-and-non.html for a pancocojams post about "throwing shade".

**Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/07/two-reprints-of-non-pancocojams.html for a pancocojams post that mentions the 2008 Trinidadian/Tobagan Reggae song "Darkie" by Orlando Octave and documents how "darkie" in that Caribbean nation isn't a put down but a descriptive and often complimentary referent for dark skinned females and males."

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OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE LINE "MELANIN TOO DARK TO THROWN HER SHADE" IN BEYONCE'S "BROWN SKIN GIRL" SONG
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng3y6ddBoWM BROWN SKIN GIRL, [sound file published by Beyoncé on Jul 19, 2019]
(Numbers assigned for referencing purposes only; All these comments are from July 2019.)
1. Omni EyeAm
"Melanin too dark to throw her shade! Say it louder for the ones in the back!"

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2. Jessica Cooper
"I felt that in my soul!!"

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3. Karen Adkins
"❤️"

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4. nichail Miller
"I finally got it😂 I’m so slow🙈🤷🏾‍♀️😂😂😂"

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5. DIVA & QUEEN
"I actually dont understand that verse can someone explain please"

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6. nichail Miller
"DIVA & QUEEN Melanin protects you from the sun. You don’t need shade....I think 💕"

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Is The Caribbean Game Song "Brown Girl In The Ring" Racist? (information, videos, comments, & lyrics)

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This pancocojams post showcases a Boney M video of the Caribbean children's game song (ring play) "Brown Girl In The Ring".

This post also showcases three additional videos of "Brown Girl In The Ring". Selected comments from two of these videos' discussion threads are also included in this post.

This post also provides my views and others' comments about whether that game song or its performance is racist or can be racists (depending on how the singing game can be played).

The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Boney M and all others who are featured in these embedded videos. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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This panacocojams post was originally published March 2017. This version of that post includes minor changes to my comments and additional viewer comments from the discussion thread that is given for Showcase Video #1.

This post is part of an ongoing pancocojams series on some songs about being Brown such as some songs with "Brown Skin Girl" or the words "brown Skin" in their title. Click the "songs about being brown" tag for other pancocojams posts in this series.

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/11/boney-m-brown-girl-in-ring-video-lyrics.html Boney M - Brown Girl In The Ring (Video, Lyrics, & Comments) for another pancocojams post about the song "Brown Girl In The Ring". That post showcases another Boney M clip of this song.

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COMMENTS ABOUT THE RACIAL (OR RACIST?) ASPECTS OF THE GAME SONG "BROWN GIRL IN THE RING" [with minor changes on July 25, 2019]
On July 7, 2008 a concerned White parent posted a comment in http://loveisntenough.com/2008/07/14/ask-arp-is-it-wrong-to-sing-this-childrens-rhyme [blog no longer available] asking whether the game song "Brown Girl In The Ring" is racist. Tami Winfrey Harris, the Black blogger who is/was the editor of that site, concluded that this song isn't racist.

I agree that "Brown Girl In The Ring" isn't intrinsically racist. However, I believe that the song originally was racial in that the word "brown" probably was a reference to the children's race (skin color). However, references to a person's race, ethnicity, and/or skin color aren't racist in and of themselves.

I also believe that the circumstances in which the singing game "Brown Girl In The Ring" is played can be racist or at least can have negative racial consequences - for instance if a Black or Brown child in a predominately White group is singled out to be the "brown girl" or the "brown boy" in the middle.

My guess is that the singing game "Brown Girl In The Ring" was composed and was originally sung and played at least in part to help Black children develop and reinforce self-esteem. I recall reading* that an old version of this song had the title and refrain "Black boy in the ring". However, "Brown girl in the ring" is the title and lyrics that have become associated with this song.

*Read the "Early Versions" section below. More comments are found in this post about the word "brown" used as a referent for Black people and other People of Color.

In 2009 at an African American hosted "Caribbean Day" program in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania I observed a contemporary way of playing "Brown Girl In The Ring". That game reinforced children's knowledge of their colors in that the color that is named referred to the color of the blouse or shirt that the person in the center of the circle was wearing. For instance, if the girl in the center of the circle was wearing a "blue" blouse or shirt, the words to the song was "There's a blue girl in the ring". But if the boy in the center of the circle was wearing a red shirt, the words to the song are "There's a red boy in the ring".

But singing "Brown Girl In The Ring" with a multiracial group of people and using different color references for articles of clothing could be problematic because people might think that you are using color references to identify members of different races or ethnicities (with "ethnicity" here meaning the United States definition of "Latino/Hispanic"). I don't believe that "being color blind" is the goal that we should be striving for. Instead, I believe that we should be working for a time when a person's race or ethnicity has no positive or negative valuation. However, I think that it would be highly unacceptable to teach children a song that points out the differences in color that people have for the sake of doing so or for the sake of patting yourself on the back about how racially accepting you are.

As a point of information, while it's usually acceptable in the United States nowadays for adults to use the references "Black people" and "Brown people", it's no longer socially correct [if it ever was] to use the color references "red people [for Native Americans] and "yellow people" for [East Asians].

Also, notice that the color referent "Brown" and not "Black"* was used in the song "Brown Girl In The Ring" to denote Black people's skin color. Unfortunately, even in the year 2012 because of the history and current conditions of racism, many Black children in the United States, and possibly also in Jamaica where the song "Brown Girl In The Ring" likely originated, consider being called "Black" (or "Blackie") an insult and prefer to be called "Brown". That said, in the United States, in political discourse adults use the phrase "Black & Brown people". In that phrase "Black people" refers to people of African descent [who can have very light skin, brown skin, or very dark skin] and "Brown people" can also refer to Black people and can also refer to Latinos/Hispanics, and other People of Color from the Middle East, Southeast Asia, and elsewhere.

I believe that the "Brown Girl In The Ring" game song could have purposely or unwittingly negative consequences -for example if people sing this song in a majority White setting where there is only one or only a few children of color (meaning "children of some black African descent and/or other children whose skin complexion is brown). I've read comments about brown skinned girls who were given “the honor” or the responsibility of playing the role of the "brown girl in the ring". Even if other people thought/think that this is an honor, it may not be considered that way by those "brown skinned girls" or "brown skinned boys" (when the song is sung to reflect the gender of the child who happens to be in the middle).

It might be a good idea before playing this game to simply explain to the children that this song is entitled "Brown Girl In The Ring" to help children feel good about themselves. But -given the possible racist or at least culturally insensitive connotations that could result from changing the word "brown" to some other color- I'd probably just sing the "brown girl in the ring" or "brown boy in a ring" words and not replace those words with some other color - regardless of the race or ethnicity of those playing this game. And I would not purposely select a "brown girl" or "a brown boy" in a predominately non-Brown or non-Black group to be the first child in the middle because that "others" that child. Read this comment given below as Excerpt #1, comment 4 for an example of this:
4. mr y mysterious video, 2009
"true story....
when i was about 6, there was only one black girl in our whole school in wales.
they played this song at our xmas party, we all sat in a circle while she danced for our entertainment - it wasn't a racist thing though - we were being literal and she seemed to enjoy herself."

Here's another comment from that same commenter:
mr y mysterious video, 2013
"i was 7, at school in ely, cardiff, wales.
it was christmas, the entire school gathered in a big circle while the sole black girl in school stood in the middle and danced with all her heart to this song - a true story.
and yet... it was all so innocent, nobody had any malice but they wouldn't try that these days!"

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EARLY VERSIONS OF "BROWN GIRL IN THE RING" [REVISED November 12, 2017]
The title "Brown Girl In The Ring" is routinely given for this game song. However, the title "There's a black boy in a ring" is included in a list of "ring tunes" (circle songs) in this 1904 book "Jamaican Song And Story: Annancy Stories, Digging Sings, Ring Tunes, and Dancing Tunes. With introductory essays" by Walter Jekyll, coll. and edit., 1904 (Dover reprints), The Folk-lore Society, LV. [posted by Q (Frank Staplin) on http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=138255#3168488"Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks"

That same discussion thread but a different post (comment) includes a listing for a Jamaican song entitled "See Ma Little Brown Boy?". That song is included in the book Calypso Songs Of The West Indies by Massie Patterson and Lionel Belasco (1943).

I've added the YouTube sound file of Lord Invader singing "Brown Girl In The Ring" below (as "Video #4). The publisher of that song file indicated that Lord Invader recorded that song in 1959. However, a commenter indicated that that song was actually recorded in 1947.

The Wikipedia page for "Brown Girl In The Ring" (song) whose link is given below notes that "Jamaican poet, actress and singer Louise Bennett recorded the song in 1957 on an album of Children's Jamaican Songs and Games, re-released by Smithsonian Folkways (2007)".

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PLAY INSTRUCTIONS
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Girl_in_the_Ring_(song)
“Brown Girl in the Ring is a children's ring game thought to have originated in Jamaica.

Players form a ring by holding hands, then one girl or boy goes into the middle of the ring and starts skipping or walking around to the song. The girl or boy is then asked, "Show me your motion." At this point the child in the center does his or her favorite dance. If asked "Show me your partner," he or she picks a friend to join him or her in the circle. It has been played for many centuries in all of Jamaica.”
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While the person in the middle "shows" her or his motion (does a dance or some other movement) the other people forming the circle try to do her or his same motions. Afterwards-according to the group's play instructions- the middle person picks someone to take her or his place.

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LYRICS
"Standard lyrics" for "Brown Girl In The Ring" can be found in the 2012 pancocojams post whose link is given above.

Here are some explanations about words in this song:
"ring" = circle

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"in the ring" = standing in the middle of a circle

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"johnny-cake"
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnycake
"Johnnycake (also jonnycake, johnny cake, journey cake, shawnee cake and johnny bread) is a cornmeal flatbread that was an early American staple food and is prepared on the Atlantic coast from Newfoundland to Jamaica."

"She looks like a sugar in a plum" - My guess is that this means that the girl looks very sweet.

Tommy Sjöström, a commenter in the Boney M video that is given as Example #1 wrote in 2009 that "The sugary juice that can leak from a plum is often brown. And sweet."

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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
VIDEO #1: Boney m Brown girl in the ring



thepiperchile Uploaded on Jun 30, 2007
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Selected comments from this video's discussion thread (Numbers are given for referencing purposes only)
2009
1. Tu Muy Bien
"Dont get mad to me but, if the song is called brown girl, why there's any latin girl in the video ( mexican ,venezuelan, colombian, puerto rican, argentinian, peruan )
I love the song, I love the rhythm, but now that I can translate, I can see, the letter of the song is pretty poor. I would prefer not to know what this song say."

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2. THOM G
"This is a Jamaican folk song.....there is no hidden meaning to it...ugh!"

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3. amaryllische
"Dude, "Brown Girl in the Ring" is the name of a children's game! That's what the song is about. So the only one who isn't able to "translate" is you."
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I believe that YouTube commenters need to be more understanding toward people whose first language isn't English. English is probably not be Tu Muy Bien's first language and he or she may have thought that "brown girl" referred only to Latin/Hispanic females since that is one of the main way that referent is used in the United States. Instead, commenters "jumped" on him or her.

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4. mr y mysterious video
"true story....
when i was about 6, there was only one black girl in our whole school in wales.
they played this song at our xmas party, we all sat in a circle while she danced for our entertainment - it wasn't a racist thing though - we were being literal and she seemed to enjoy herself."

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5. Becca Secret
"funny, my aunt thought this song was rascist xxx"

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6. feinferno
"i wish we still had music like dis reminds me of the old days back in guyana sitting on my uncles front porch with a coconut cutting it to get coconut water"

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2010
7. BLACK.LIKE. ME
"Does N E one knows where this group's from?"

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8.toe luutaga
"the group was put together in West Germany by Frank Farian the original four memebers line-up were 2 Jamaican Liz Mitchell and Marcia Barrett ,1 Montserratian Maizie Williams and 1 Aruban Bobby Farell there was a change times later. This group was well known in my island country Samoa in the South Pacific and all their songs were heard on the radio and all local bands play them at fiafia night. One of the best in their time ..... always remember."

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2011
9. Trelli28
"I remember this song growing up! The ring game we used to play in Jamaica :-)"

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10. asomra
"@Trelli28 A lot of Islands had this song in school. I'm Guyanese , my mom was listening to this growing too. This song will never die, people from the whole world will be singing and playing to this at some part."

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11. Charms434
"All I think of is the movie touching the void and when the guy was deliriously close to death this song was stuck in his head, and he's praying he doesn't die to this song LOL"
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Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touching_the_Void for information about Joe Simpson's 1988 book "Touching The Void" and the 2003 documentary film that is based on that book. Cainefan, a commenter in that Boney M discussion thread wrote in 2009 "... Someone analyzed that it may have to do with the lines from the song "show me your motion" and it was his brain telling him to keep moving."

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12. locorojo25
"anyone tell me wot the song is about? brown girl in the ring? boxing or wrestling? she looks like a sugar in a plum. wot does that mean. catchy tune but wots it about?"

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13. mjaooajm
"@locorojo25
Neither one. She is in a dancing ring."
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"ring play" = circle game songs

Read the comments above about the probable meaning of the line "she looks like a sugar in a plum".

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2012
14. mr y mysterious video
"i was 7, at school in ely, cardiff, wales.
it was christmas, the entire school gathered in a big circle while the sole black girl in school stood in the middle and danced with all her heart to this song - a true story.
and yet... it was all so innocent, nobody had any malice but they wouldn't try that these days!"

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15. Becca Secret
"funny, my aunt thought this song was rascist xxx"

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16. Charms434
"All I think of is the movie touching the void and when the guy was deliriously close to death this song was stuck in his head, and he's praying he doesn't die to this song LOL"

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2013
17. mr y mysterious video
"i was 7, at school in ely, cardiff, wales.
it was christmas, the entire school gathered in a big circle while the sole black girl in school stood in the middle and danced with all her heart to this song - a true story.
and yet... it was all so innocent, nobody had any malice but they wouldn't try that these days!"

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18. Doris Smith
"For West Indian Brown Girls Everywhere!"

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19. RichXboxOne
"This is an excellent song, but if it was released now, the PC Brigade and the Loony left would complain about it being racist. "

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2014
20. havaiianteine u
"I heard this song when I was little, n my words were totally different :) Brown Girl, Brown n Proud."

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2017
21. Francisco Castillo Mata
"Qué bonitas son las pieles morenas, y cuanto han sido maltratadas por el " hombre blanco" ( y lo siguen siendo, más sutilmente, tal vez ). En un tiempo lejano, todos fuimos negros, o de un color oscuro. Son los orígenes de toda la humanidad. En EEUU, por ejemplo, todavía hay muchísimo racismo, y a veces no se molestan ni en disimularlo ( también en España, por supuesto). Bueno, el vídeo es encantador, y la música muy contagiosa. Solo espero que no me fusilen por haber expresado ciertas ideas, y que la USA Air Forcé no me bombardee."

Google translate from Spanish to English:
"How beautiful are the brown skins, and how much they have been battered by the "white man" (and they are still, more subtly, perhaps). In a distant time, we were all black, or a dark color. They are the origins of all humanity. In the US, for example, there is still a lot of racism, and sometimes they do not bother or disguise it (also in Spain, of course). Well, the video is charming, and the music very contagious. I just hope they do not shoot me for expressing certain ideas, and that the USA Air Force did not bomb me."

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2018
22. Ravneet Bains
"My mum just told me thought this song was about Asian girls back in the 1980's and she felt very offended at the time because she thought they where being racist. Now she has got over once I told her that the song is light skin black women."
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I believe that the color "brown" in this singing game originally referred to all Black girls regardless of whether their skin color was light brown, darker brown, or very dark brown.

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VIDEO #2:
"Brown Girl In The Ring: Bahamian Expats In Los Angeles"



The Coconut Channel, Uploaded on Jul 24, 2008

At the July 2008 picnic celebration in Los Angeles' Griffith Park of the Bahamas' 35th anniversary of independence from England, a group of exuberant adults burst into the ring games of their childhood.
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This video documents performances of various "ring plays" (circle game songs) that people from the Bahamas living in the United States played. That game begins at 5:19 and continues to the end of that video. I wrote a comment asking about the name of the game that was played before "Brown Girl In The Ring" and the words to the second and third verses of that song. Here are the responses to my question:

from dakingofhearts91: 2012
"The Game played before brown girl in the ring was red rover. The lyrics to the other song goes like this "blue hill water dry no where to wash my clothes, I remember that saturday night we had fried fish and johnny cake. Man take one to satisfy woman take two she make a moo(move)"

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After thanking "dakingofheart" I asked if that version that the people in the video sang was traditional. Here is her response to that question

2012
Dannie
"Brown girl in the ring was not played properly. In Blue hill water dry, they had "boil" fish and johnny cake."Fried fish and johnny cake is not a Bahamian dish.Are any of them actually Bahamians.Once the get all the lyrics and someone to teach them the melodies, they'll be straight.
Yes I am 100% Bahamian."

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VIDEO #3: San Andrés Colombia Es 7: Brown Girl in the Ring (Ronda de la Morenita)



Liceo Infantil Marco Cali, Published on Nov 1, 2013

Durante el recrreo los niños juegan y bailan la ronda tradicional Brown Girl n the Ring (la Morenita de la Ronda), mientras su maestra Ofelia saluda a su amiga Eugenia Robinson y la invita a que hable con los niños y les comparta su sabiduría sobre la cultura de San Andrés, Providencia y Santa Catalina...
La profesora Eugenia Robinson es un personaje real de las islas, le hemos querido rendir un homenaje a ella y a todos los raizales de la isla que inspiraron el trabajo realizado en este proyecto. Algunas de las líneas en el guión son sus propias palabras....
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Google translate from Spanish to English:
During recess, the children play and dance the traditional Brown Girl n the Ring round, while her teacher Ophelia greets her friend Eugenia Robinson and invites her to talk to the children and share her wisdom about the Culture of San Andrés, Providencia and Santa Catalina ...

Professor Eugenia Robinson is a real personage of the islands, we wanted to pay homage to her and to all the raizales of the island that inspired the work realized in this project. Some of the lines in the script are his own words. You can meet and learn more with her at:
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Here's information about San Andrés:
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Andr%C3%A9s_(island)
"San Andrés is a Colombian coral island in the Caribbean Sea. Historically tied to the United Kingdom, and politically part of Colombia,[1] San Andrés and the nearby islands of Providencia and Santa Catalina form the department of San Andrés, Providencia and Santa Catalina.[2][3] San Andrés, in the southern group of islands, is the largest of the department. The official languages of the department are Creole, Spanish, and English."

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VIDEO #4: Lord Invader - There's A Brown Girl In The Ring



Boyjohn Published on Feb 18, 2010, A little calypso for children from 1959
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Here are two comments from that YouTube sound file's discussion thread:

tweetycontrabajo (2015) [SONG LYRICS]
Yes sir
Very often i am left amazed
when i remember my childhood days
when me and my girlfriend used to play about together
and sing the song of hug and kiss your partner
There's a brown girl in the ring
Traala lala la
There's a brown girl in the ring
Trala lala lala
Brown girl in the ring
Trala lala la
And She looks like a sugar on a plum (plum, plum)
You'll show me your motion
Trala lala la
You'll show me your motion
Trala lala lala
Show me your motion
Traala lala la
And She looks like a sugar on a plum (plum, plum)
You'll hug and kiss your partner
Traala lala la
You'll hug and kiss your partner
Traala lala lala
hug and kiss your partner
Traala lala la
And She looks like a sugar on a plum (plum, plum)
But now that i reached to maturity
I know how happy my childhood days used to be
But now the kids haven't got no responsibility
They are taken care of by their families
Anything they need, they just have to say
And after school at home all day will go and play
There's a brown girl in the ring...
Now if i happen to be reincarnated
I like to do the same things i did as a kid
when I'm permitted to have my fun at times
With my playmates i'll sing some nursery rhymes
Whether in my backyard, or in the playground
We will join together and sing this song
There's a brown girl in the ring...
And Miss Lilly White looks so fresh and gay
With a bunch of roses by her side
Give her the kisses, one, two three,
Wonder who shall be her bride.
Show me your motion ...

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Peter Butz (2016)
"This original recording was recorded in 1947 (not 1959)"

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My Speculations About ents About Beyonce's 2019 "Brown Skin Girl" Song & New Edition's 1983 Hit "Candy Girl"

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This pancocojams post presents my speculation about the similarity between a part of the chorus of Beyonce's 1019 song "Brown Skin Girl" and a portion of New Edition's 1983 song "Candy Girl".

The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to New Edition and thanks to Beyonce for their musical legacy. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
I woke up this morning chanting in my head the words
"? girl"
All my world
Looks so sweet
Special treat".

I couldn't remember the two syllable word indicated in this post by the question mark, but I thought that it was the beginning of a girls' foot stomping cheer*. Whatever that beginning word was, I also thought that that part of that particular cheer reminded me of Beyonce's 2019 song "Brown Skin Girl".

When I got up I asked my daughter (who used to perform foot stomping cheers with her friends) if she could help me figure out the missing word. Without any hesitation she said "Candy Girl".

The "complete" words to the beginning portion of "Candy Girl" foot stomping cheers/hand clap rhymes are
"Candy girl
All my world
Looks so sweet
Special treat."

Those words remind me of the first three lines (and only the words in those lines) of Beyonce's "Brown Skin Girl":
"Brown skin girl
Your skin just like pearls
The best thing in the world "

Note that both of these examples include the words "girl" and "world". The word "pearls" in Beyonce's song also rhymes with the word "pearls."

Were the people who wrote Beyonce's song "Brown Skin Girl" inspired by those three lines in New Edition's song "Candy Girl"? I've no idea. But I just wanted to pass along my thoughts about the similarities between those very small portions of those two songs.

*At least two pancocojams posts have showcased the "Candy Girl" foot stomping cheer. The Addendum of this post quotes a small portion of one of those posts "New Edition - "Candy Girl" And Examples Of "Candy Girl Foot Stomping Cheers"http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/10/new-edition-candy-girl-and-examples-of.html. That 2013 post includes the complete lyrics to New Edition's "Candy Girl" as well as several examples of "Candy Girl" foot stomping cheers.

Information and examples of "Candy Girl" foot stomping cheers and a "Candy Girl" hand clap rhyme are also found in the 2017 pancocojams post entitled ""Candy Girl" - R&B Record, Hand Clap Rhyme, & Foot Stomping Cheer (with an excerpt from Kyra D. Gaunt's Book "The Games Black Girls Play")"http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/08/candy-girl-r-record-hand-clap-rhyme.html.

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ADDENDUM #1: SHOWCASE YOUTUBE EXAMPLES
Video #1: Candy Girl official video New Edition 1983



dakwa4life, Published on Mar 19, 2009

Official Video (1983)

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Video #2: BROWN SKIN GIRL



Beyoncé, Published on Jul 19, 2019

Provided to YouTube by Sony Music Entertainment

BROWN SKIN GIRL · Beyoncé · SAINt JHN · WizKid · Blue Ivy Carter

The Lion King: The Gift

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ADDENDUM #2: INFORMATION ABOUT CANDY GIRL CHEERS/HAND CLAP RHYMES
From http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/10/new-edition-candy-girl-and-examples-of.html New Edition - "Candy Girl" And Examples Of "Candy Girl" Foot Stomping Cheers
"Candy Girl" is an example of a "dance style" foot stomping cheer. Those types of foot stomping cheers provide opportunities for the "cheerers" (steppers) to show off their dancing ability. The focus in these cheers is on dance names. Ideally, when it's her turn as soloist, each girl is supposed to highlight a different dance. Usually, this means current dances, but old school dances [popular dances that aren't done anymore] can also be highlighted.

The foot stomping cheer "Candy Girl" begins with the group-including the soloist- chanting these lines that are a folk processed form of New Edition's "Candy Girl" song:
"Candy Girl
All my world
Looks so sweet
Special treat."
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The person whose turn it is as soloist then briefly does a particular dance and the group performs that dance along with the soloist. (The members of the group don't need to perform the dance exactly the same way as the soloist).

The cheer then immediately begins again from the beginning with a new soloist.

I've collected three examples of the "Candy Girl" foot stomping cheer (through direct and online collecting) and I've also come across one example of a "Candy Girl" hand clap rhyme. The words to those examples appear to be quite consistent over time and geographical areas.

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Comments About Racism & Colorism From Five YouTube Discussion Threads For Beyonce's "Brown Skin Girl"

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This pancocojams post documents a compilation of comments about colorism from the discussion threads of five YouTube sound files or videos of Beyonce's 2019 song "Brown SKin Girl".

Note that the official YouTube music video for Beyonce's "Brown Skin Girl" as not been published as of the date of this pancocojams post.

The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the composers of "Brown Skin Girl" as performed by Beyonce,, WizKid, SAINt JHN, & Blue Ivy, and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to all those who published examples of this song on YouTube.

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DEFINITION OF RACISM
From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
"Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another. It may also include prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone because they are of a different race or ethnicity, or the belief that members of different races or ethnicities should be treated differently.[1][2][3] Modern variants are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities.[2][4][5]"

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DEFINITION OF COLORISM
From https://www.dictionary.com/e/historical-current-events/colorism/
"Colorism is a form of racial discrimination based on the shade of an individual's skin tone, typically favoring lighter skin. It can occur both within a specific ethnic group and across ethnic groups."

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COMMENTS ABOUT RACISM AND COLORISM FROM VARIOUS DISCUSSION THREADS FOR BEYONCE'S SONG "BROWN SKIN GIRL"
Pancocojams Editor's Note:
This compilation doesn't include comments from or comments about non-Black people's reactions or responses to Beyonce's "Brown Skin Girl". For the most part (except for a comment I posted that is given as Comment #18, Source #4) this includes comments about believing or wishing that that song also referenced females of other races/ethnicities besides Black.

This compilation also doesn't include any comments about skin bleaching.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/07/brown-skin-girls-throughout-world.html for a pancocojams post on that subject entitled "Brown Skin Girls Throughout The World Comment About Beyoncé's Song "Brown Skin Girl"".

These comments are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only. All of these comments were published between July 19, 2019 and July 27, 2019.

SOURCE #1
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXrhqhW2kiU
Beyoncé, SAINt JHN, WizKid - BROWN SKIN GIRL (Official Audio) ft. Blue Ivy Carter
Beyoncé, Published on Jul 23, 2019
1. Sister Cherise
"Love how she mentions Lupita, Kelly and Naomi, all about the dark skinned black girls! 😍✨👸🏿👸🏾"

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2. Geraldo Rodriguez
"i loved the Kelly shout out the most bc even Kelly has stated that she felt inferior to beyonce bc of her darker skin. and i love me some Kelly <3 sisterhood" ** REPLY 3. Denise Dean "Sister Cherise that song is gorgeous All women of color for there are many shades of Blackness and anybody with Africa glowing like the Nike River in their veins have been touched by racial discrimination and discrimination WITHIN our communities is REAL for colorization is more than a notion it is real and causes Darker Persons to dislike lighter persons, and lighter persons to do the same. So yeah that song is for all of We! Yuh nuh!" ** REPLY 4. eys292 "I’m sooooo proud of Bey!!! She did that. Our gorgeous dark skin Black girls have been denied the spotlight, adoration and love they’ve always deserved for TOOO LONG! It’s their time to shine forever and always❤️👸🏿👸🏿👸🏿👸🏿👸🏿👸🏿👸🏿" ** REPLY 5. Daphne NET "It’s about black excellence in general, let’s not make segregation within a song speaking on ALL black beauties thanks." ** REPLY 6. Siah Young "Daphne NET! Exactly! They separated us and we keep separating ourselves with this complexion shih...Brown Skin covered all complexions of women of color" ** 7. Sarah Fodouop "The dislikes are from the racists and colourists clearly. Bey and Wiz kid thank you for blessing us. We NNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD A VIDEO" ** REPLY 8. patrece B "Exactly!!! Nobody had ANYTHING to say when people praise foreign, redbone, lightskinZ. The hypocrisy is real." -snip- Note that the African American definition for "red bone" is different from the Caribbean definition for that informal color referent. Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/08/what-redbone-yellowbone-and-browning.html for a pancocojams post entitled "What "Redbone", "Yellowbone", and "Browning" Mean"

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9. Javee
"So because a person doesn't like this song they're racist? I don't like Rihanna's song Diamonds in the Sky. I guess that means I hate diamonds."

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10. patrece B
"@javee, if it doesn't apply, let it fly. I'm saying EXACTLY to the colorist and the racists🤷🏾‍♀️"

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11. Ricky T
"Where was this energy with India Arie brown skin song"
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Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12kMTnObZcM for a YouTube video of India Arie's 2001 song "Brown Skin".

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12. Venice KD
"@Ricky T every message has it's time. People weren't listening back then and now colourism is a social issue that cant be ignored. Dont be a pessimist friend be optimistic that now others are finally hearing this message of self love and acceptance 🤗🤗"

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13. Dominique Pyles
"Ricky T perhaps because Brown Skin was about BLACK MEN not young girls or women. Actually read the lyrics of India’s song"

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14. Sincerely Ty Taylor
"I cried when I heard this song for the first time. This could have really helped me growing up. This should be the black girls anthem"

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15. Esther Kroon
"They call us lazy but we built this country.
They say we're ugly but they copy are skin.
They call me ghetto but they love my culture.
They make fun of my hair but they love to touch it.
Jealousy and fear is all I have to say."

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16. OceaniaMonarch
"U AIN'T NEVA LIED😒"

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17. Saiyans Great
"I'm a boy but I'm still here. Cause my skin brown too.😎"

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18. Amelia A
"as a caramel skin girl this song empowers me!!! i can’t imagine the pride and power my brown skin sisters must feel"

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19. Tarleda Manley
"Caramel is a shade of brown to me"

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20. Qu3en T
"I am grateful for this song. My 7 yo loves music & she dislikes being dark skin even though she is so beautiful. She was bullied last year by a light skinned girl and talks about how she wish she looked like her. I hope this will help her take away that hate & realize she is oh so beautiful."

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21. DeeVaBae CHRONICLES
"Just need black men to listen. All shades are beautiful not just redbone or light! Thank you beyonce! Our men keep colorism alive! Too many songs about redbone and light eyes instead of loving women that look like them! It's not a preference if you deny beauty in the opposite of what you like! Also if you hate women of your color you hate yourself not a strong man!"

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22. I can't think of a good username
"Good job Beyoncé, for not letting your daughter grow up hating herself and thinking she's ugly and not worthy of things because of her skin color. Too many black beauty influencers and just grown black women in general out there with big followings being like "I'm mixed with white so I'm not entirely black", "I'm half black and at least I don't have nappy hair" or "Nothing about me is black" and sending wrong messages of self-hatred to younger audiences."

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23. anthyrose2
"This song has a good message, but what bothers me is that no one paid attention until Beyonce sang it. India Arie has been singing positive and uplifting songs like this literally since she began her career. She is a "Brown Skinned Girl" who was always celebrating her dark skin and features, yet for some reason, no one ever seems to pay attention or find value in the message until Beyonce sings it. And no, this is NOT in any way shape or form a dig at Beyonce, but it's really sad how some people are claiming that "no one" ever sang about this before. There are TONS of "Brown Skinned Girl" musicians who have celebrated their dark skin and kinky hair, yet ironically they get completely ignored because they are not "light skinned". Why is it that messages of empowerment for us have to be delivered by the Beyonce's and the Zendaya's and the Tracy Ellis Ross's before we listen?"

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24. ok
"I believe if this song was made sooner, we wouldn't have black people and brown ,(of any age) hating them selves.. and I just love this song"

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25. ItsZion's Channel
"This song is for all the brown skin and dark skin girls who use to want to be white or act a certain way around them because u felt like u had to change because when i was younger i use to want to be white so bad because at the time i was going to a school with a lot of white ppl"

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26. Ricky T
"Where was this energy with India Arie brown skin song"

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27. kingbey fan
"That song was about a relationship she had with a Brown skinned male. It was uplifting to black couples but not Black GIRLS specifically. Let’s face it, these days Black men perfer light skinned Black women, White or Hispanic women. The songs are VERY different! I loved on it when that came out along with Angie Stone’s Black Brotha or something like that."

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28. Bebe Bong
"I'm actually a light skinned black girl but our community needed THIS."

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29. Eve Eve
"Am a proud brown skin woman..... Wakanda forever👸🏾"

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30. Nefertiti S.
"In Africa they call me light skin in the USA they say I am brown😂😂 Black is beautiful"

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31. Chasidy Collins
"Thank you for showing your appreciation towards dark-skinned black girls around the world 🌎
We’ve been devalued, degraded, and told that we’re not beautiful so long by our own, and by outsiders. That same hate we received for all of these years has been internalized for some of us. So, this really means a lot. This really spoke to me on a personal level due to all the flak and hate I received because of my complexion💔

“My skin is not only dark, it shines and it tells my story” -A Beautiful Black Girl❤️"

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32. Shalom Ihemefor
"Respect to all African women in different shades of brown .... don't let anyone talk down on you 😍😍😍...."

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33. Marina Aguilar
"Una referente, amé el tema, tan claro y hermoso, sos inmensa, me emociono al escuchar terrible tema, recordaba mi infancia cuando mi mamá me decía que era preciosa así morocha que mí color de piel era único y que no hiciera caso a los que querían herirme.. Hermoso mensaje 🌻✨💞"
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Google translate from Spanish to English
A reference, I loved the subject, so clear and beautiful, you are immense, I get excited to hear terrible song, I remembered my childhood when my mother told me that it was beautiful so dark that my skin color was unique and that I ignored those who they wanted to hurt me .. Beautiful message 🌻✨💞
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“Terrible” here probably means something like “powerful”.

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34. ItWasntTruckSama
"This song is all kinds of amazing I can't even!!!!
AHHHHH Stan mode on!!!!!
But seriously it made me feel beautiful. Not that I feel ugly or anything because of my skin. I don't. It's just that celebration of melanin is never the default so when a song like this comes it fills me with this sense of community and affirmation."

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35. Kay McKinnie
"Such a beautiful song! I cried when I heard this song. I have a dark skin daughter who has been teased because of her color. I can’t wait to share this beautiful song with her.."

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36. Tzefirayah _700
"My grandchildren especially my two granddaughters love this song...be proud of your brown skin, dark skin, light skin, and anything else in between. Powerful message."

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37. yuri faxineira
"Lyrics brought me tears..i wish my momma could've heard this song and so her momma and the mother of her mother.."

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38. Crowned_ 25
"My coworker nearly broke down when I told her about the song. It triggered her memory of how girls treated her at Spellman years ago. We get it worse from our own community b/c they're in our every day lives. This is going to change the outlook for many! Thanks 👑 Bey!"

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39. Marie Goddess
"👏BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL IN ALL SHADES BUT THIS IS BROWN SKIN GIRL TIME YALL DESERVE IT !!!!❤❤❤❤ LOVE THE SONG AND FOR BEYONCÉ TO WRITE THIS AS A LIGHT SKIN WOMAN MEANS A LOT. COLORISM IS REAL BUT WE NEED TO NOT SEPARATE OUR BLACKNESS BUT COME TOGETHER 💯💯💯💯💃💃"

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40. DAsher 1exp
"Yeah we gotta appreciate all black skin tones"

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41. langdawn
"Brown skin girls of all melanin shades are beautiful. Thank you Beyoncé!"

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SOURCE #2
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Gy857Lfzc
Reaction To Beyonce’s ‘Brown Skin Girl’
ET Canada, Published on Jul 23, 2019
1. PTX 5
"My own grandma, a light skin black woman with curly hair used to say "did God create these people?" when she sees someone with dark dark skin. I remembered saying to her as 4-5 years old kid "what about me?" She used to say, you're darker than us, but you're not dark skin and you have curly beautiful hair just like us. I remember thinking she must like my sister and brothers more than me because they look like her. Colorism within our own household, our own community, cut deeper than anyone else hating us for our beautiful melanin.#blckskingirl#✊🏽#❤ urself"

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2. Tamika Mcduffie
"Wow do we have the same relatives?😕😒"

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3. Lady Joy
"@Tamika Mcduffie I swear I was going to say the same thing. My family was the same way towards me."

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4. Maleka Smith
"Unfortunately, the older generations of blacks were/are like that due to growing up in segregated environments. They usually end up passing those same thoughts onto their kids, especially if they are light skin. Look at Hazel E from Love and Hip Hop. Her mom made her believe she was beautiful only because she is light skinned."

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5. Neka
"My grandmother was the same way. In the Caribbean we are all blended, but some of us are straight African looking, I am like that while some of my family have more caucasian features as my family is mixed with Syrian. She would always say, if my shin was lighter I would loom better or tell my lighter skin cousins to remember that they have their 'color' to keep up."

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6. M H
"I experienced the exact same thing with my grandma. What a shame?"

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7. T Burton
"PTX 5 it's important to remember why that is, it's by design that some of us feel that way unfortunately, especially the older generation. I am so sorry you had to go through that, but never forget it was over 400 years of programming that caused that mentality. Do the work and break that generational curse over your family 😘"

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8. Cynthia Dickerson
"So sad to have the ability to identify with the oppressor who was raping black women and leaving their white gene in the bloodline. Make you wanna holler! A light skin child in my 5th grade class called another student blackie, and the child began to cry. I said some things, and taught a lesson in my class that day the students will never forget as long as they live. When l finished the student that called the student out of her name was sad. That is all l can say! I didn't go for that foolishness as long as l was teaching, that and bullying was not tolerated in my classroom."

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9. nichail Miller
"My Grandma used to say “Nothing too black nuh good” (She was Jamaican)"

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10. cleospalace
"My dark skin was allways celebrated. I never felt ugly I allway felt like the prettiest girl in the room."

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11. Shauna Holmes
"Same here, i adore my dark skin tone. I feel blessed to have it. I think it has alot to do with the fact that my proud dark skinned father always told me that i am beautiful 😍❤ i love my brown skin."

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12. Chi Non
"cleospalace wish all dark skin girls had your experience 👍🏽"

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SOURCE #3
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk_snRm99J8
Beyonce - Brown Skin Girl (Dance Video) by The Happy African Kids (Dream Catchers) ft. Wizkid
Dream Catchers Dance, Published on Jul 20, 2019
1. ALL HAIL JACQUA
"I can’t wait to have beautiful brown cocoa mocha bronze black pecan cinnamon tanny cedar coffee hickory caramel babies 🖤

Whatever color they are, I’ll love them endlessly 👌🏾"

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2. Dat1Gurl_Esh
"So happy to see brown skin kids dancing joyously to this wonderful song! been called so many horrible names in my life because of my skin tone so it's great to hear these positive vibes from Beyonce ♥️♥️♥️"

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3. Jajwuan Lynn
"As a dark skin king this made my day dance on my dark skin queens"

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4. Grace Quiah
"Yes babies love yourselves and y’all skin complexion ❤️❤️💕"

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5. BrownSkinGirlTEXAS
"They are so beautiful! When they started singing, I started crying. It's wonderful to see little Black girls proud of their melanin! Thank you Beyonce and Wizkid for what you've done for millions of ethnic and melanated kids and grown ups around the world!"

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6. Angie's Doing It
"I am not crying, because I have always loved my skin."

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7. L Porter
"I love this!!! Represent young black Queens!!! Thanks Beyonce ☺️ proud to be black and beautiful"

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8. Wallace Souza Alves
"Vocês não sabem o quão feliz eu tô, esse vídeo realmente me fez chorar.. A música literalmente é um recado para todxs as garotxs negras sobre se amarem e nunca deixar se sentir inferior em situação alguma, e vê essas crianças dançando com a maior felicidade me fez chorar e rir ao mesmo tempo pq eles são muito bonitos. Beyoncé você realmente é uma artista incrível e muito obrigado por esse trabalho tão maravilhoso e gostoso de ouvir, obrigado por trazer representatividade e orgulho. I love u queen B."
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Google translate from Portuguese to English
"You guys don't know how happy I am, this video really made me cry .. The song is literally a message to all the black kids about loving each other and never letting them feel inferior under any circumstances, and see these children dancing with the greatest happiness. It made me cry and laugh at the same time because they are so beautiful. Beyoncé you really are an amazing artist and thank you so much for such a wonderful and enjoyable work, thank you for bringing representativeness and pride. I love u queen B."

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9. Dat1Gurl_Esh
"So happy to see brown skin kids dancing joyously to this wonderful song! been called so many horrible names in my life because of my skin tone so it's great to hear these positive vibes from Beyonce ♥️♥️♥️"

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10. Perpétuelle
"Awww these babies made my night❤ Go chocolate princesses!👑"

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11. Melanin Queen
"I think the song is beautiful and I seen all black girls of different shades representing and posting pics of their self . The only ones I see making a problem of this is darker tone girls , the most . I'm a dark girl and I feel this song was made for me . Even though I'm dark , I'm still a brown.."
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This comment refers to the twitter account src=hash">https://twitter.com/hashtag/BrownSkinGirlChallenge?src=hash

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12. Red Love
"This is what it is all about!!! Yes brown skin girls!!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️🙅🏾‍♀️🙅🏾‍♀️🙅🏾‍♀️ love yourself! Love all of you from crown 👑 to your toes!!! 💃🏿💃🏿💃🏿💃🏿🙅🏿‍♀️🙅🏿‍♀️🙅🏿‍♀️🙅🏾‍♀️🙅🏾‍♀️🙅🏾‍♀️🙅🏾‍♀️😍😍😍😍😙😘😘"

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13. EyeLoveTheStars
"What about White Skinned Girls?"

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14. jenkook
"idk what about them?"

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15. EyeLoveTheStars
"@jenkook Why dont they get a song?"

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16. jenkook
"@EyeLoveTheStars because white people aren't constantly made fun of or discriminated against for being white because thats "standard beauty" that's why. many of us black skinned girls/women have personally gotten bullied for our skin and its about time someone recognizes us."

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17. Ms. McNeil
"I wish I had this growing up in a white country all alone in a white school! But now my daughters do! Thank you queen b!😭😭💕💕💕"

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18. Tholang Mathopa
"This is just so heartfelt, so many times I was deemed ugly because I am dark, this definitely hits home. All I can say is thank you Beyonce. One day my kids will look at this and understand it's beautiful to be dark."

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19. REDD Warrior 22
"I love it!! They’re having fun and enjoying every bit it!! It’s so important to make Lil girls feel good about themselves to become strong confident women"

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20. truth ispower
"Chocolate drops...emancipate from mental slavery..and AWAKE TO THE BEAUTY AND GOD THATS IN YOU MY LITTLE BLACK QUEENS..."

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SOURCE #4
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wvkQV1_IW4
Beyonce, Blue Ivy - Brown Skin Girl (Lyrics) Ft. Wizkid & Saint Jhn
Normani Lyrics, Published on Jul 19, 2019
1. cidah jodz
"Im so happy for my 5 year daughter, she always talks about her skin being golden brown. Everyone else think shes dark but shes so proud and this song is just right for her 🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪👑👑🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪"

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2. Ashley Family
"Go ahead brown skin melanin queen’s it is now your time to shine hallelujah 👸🏾👸🏾👸🏾👸🏾👸🏾👸🏾👸🏾👸🏾👸🏾👸🏾👸🏾👸🏾"

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3. Nelly Njeri
"I love this song ...proud of being dark ...love it"

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4. hardskull 234
"Rwandan team also dark skin am proud"

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5. Kadi’s rainbow World
"Yassssss Brown skin yeah you are the best"

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6. cynthia macsime
"This boosts got my confidence jump from -0 to a million ❤️❤️❤️❤️🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾"

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7. Brandy F
"LOVE this concept and song now black people keep this same energy when lighter skin blacks say they love their skin. If you can't you're just as malicious and hateful as the claims you say are against you."

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8. Dairy of wealth
"Wait just brown skin? What about dark skin girls ? All shades of black is beautiful just saying"

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9. Court Reporter Forum
"@Dairy of wealth The message is for all women of color, sis🖤"

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10. Dairy of wealth
"@Court Reporter Forum OK thanks"

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11. starfirebb robin
"She said lupita who is very much darkskin idk why your complaining lol"

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12. marie
"Please don't start!! this song is for all black girls and she mentions lupita.... let's all black girls embrace this beautiful song!"

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13. 瓊安 葛
"Dark-skinned girls are brown too. :)"

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14. Lavanya Wilkinson
"Just because the title doesn't say it doesn't mean the song doesn't"

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15. Royal Carter
"She literally said Naomi, Lupita and Kelly... they are dark skinned"

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16. Khene Enyieko
"In truth,nobody is black. We are all shades of brown"

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17. Karabo Jackson
"starfirebb robin People are never satisfied 😂😂😂😂"

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18. Azizi Powell
"Perhaps Diary of wealth asked that question because what is meant by "brown" in the descriptor "brown skin" differs in various cultures throughout the world

In Jamaica (and perhaps in some other Caribbean countries) "browning" means a (Black) "person who is mixed race with light skin."http://jamaicanpatwah.com/term/Browning/928#.XTxCWuhKi70

That said, Beyonce is African American (like me) and is using an African American definition for the skin color "brown". When African Americans say that someone has brown skin, we don't usually mean that that person is light skinned. But we also can specify different gradations of brown such as "light brown", "brown", and "dark brown"

While the lyrics of Beyonce's song suggests that she was probably mostly uplifting darker brown skin females, I think that "Brown Skin Girl" can be celebrated by people whose skin color is brown Period. (using the African American definition). That means that I'm in team inclusive because I'm happy that other people who are brown skinned (such as some Asians, Latinos, Melanesians, and some people from the Middle East) also are uplifted by Beyonce's song "Brown Skin Girl"."
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From http://jamaicanpatwah.com/term/Browning/928#.XTxCWuhKi70
"Browning
English Translation: Mixed race

Definition: a person who is mixed race with light skin

Example Sentences
Patois: Look pon dah browning deh!
English: Look at that light skin person
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posted by alicia.dean.7940 on March 22, 2017

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SOURCE #5
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC6D67pAv4s
Beyoncé - BROWN SKIN GIRL (Official Video) ft. Wizkid, Saint Jhn & Blue Ivy
ion tbo, Published on Jul 19, 2019
1. Tholang Mathopa
"I've NEVER in my young 27 years of living, cried from a song. This hits home!!! Grew up frowned upon and called ugly because I am dark. Even as an adult, the effect of the humility I faced growing up kept crawling back in my thoughts, ultimately taking a toll on my whole being. BUT AFTER THIS, I shed my last tears remembering what I went through. Thank you so much, Beyonce."

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2. Monet Jenkins
"Tholang Mathopa You’re a beautiful, Dark skin Goddess and I love you for who you are and if no one has ever told you I’ll tell you now.. you’re dark skin is magical ❤️"

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3. Ashanti Zulu
"But how you gonna so a video about “Brownskin Girls” But make it all about you Bee ijs 🤷🏾‍♀️.. not one chocolate sister in the Video.. 🙄"

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4. Sarah-Louise Jacques
"This isn't the official music video"

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5. anonymous one
"There are light brown and dark brown girls hence BROWN= black girls light and dark. We are all black girls"

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6. Courtney
"brown doesn't indicate just dark or chocolate women........brown represents all the wonderful shades that we come in. IT STARTS AT HOME....WE PUSH COLORISM THE MOST.....light, brown, dark. All others see (wypipo) is a black woman......they don't care about the light skin, butter pecan, toffee, caramel or all the other bullshit subtitles we like to give ourselves. BE PROUD IN YOUr BROWN SKIN, NO MATTER THE SHADE."

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7. Daphne_488
"funny how Beyoncé specifically mentions Naomi, Lupita and Kelly though 🤷🏾‍♀️

shout out to my sisters doing the #Brownskingirlchallenge. you guys are beautiful: the skin that was broken will be the one taking over. rise and shine ladies, that song is for you first ✊🏾"

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8. Donald S
"Like some people want the lyrics to be specific with the colour, like deep brown skin girl & light brown skin girl."

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9. Tyshema Lynnp
"She is very specific in this song listen to her lyrics closer"

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10. DeyMonet Carter
"She said there are “complexities in complexion”!"

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11. Mel
"We all brown at the end of the day some of us are just a lighter brown and some of us just a darker brown but we all brown 💅🏾"

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Seven Episodes Of "New Father Chronicles" YouTube Channel (An African American Father's Creative & Comedic Interactions With His Two Young Daughters)

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This pancocojams post showcases seven episodes from the YouTube channel "New Father Chronicles". That creative, comedic YouTube channel shows a Black father's interactions with his young daughters.

The content of this post is presented for cultural and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to La Guardia Cross for his positive role modeling and thanks to Amalah, Nayely, and their mommy Leah for sharing parts of their lives with the world.

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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
Video #1: #NFChronicles
Interview With An Infant



La Guardia Cross, Published on Dec 24, 2014

Who can possibly understand a baby better than a BABY? I sat down with 6 week old Amalah to talk all things Infant. I learned a lot.

New Father Chronicles Every Wednesday. #NFChronicles

Follow my Journey!

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Video #2: #NFChronicles
Interview With A Toddler



La Guardia Cross, Published on Jan 6, 2016

The very first interview I did with Amalah was at 6 weeks old. She's a 1yr old now, 14 months to be exact. I had burning questions that needed to be answered, so I decided to open the new season of New Father Chronicles with another interview.

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Video #3: Interview With A 6-Month-Old



La Guardia Cross, Published on Nov 15, 2017

Nayely's halfway to a FULL YEAR of life on this planet! I'm sure she's learned a lot during her 6 months, so I sat her down for an interview. I tested her knowledge, questioned her about some of her "issues", and asked her about the key to happiness. I learned a lot from this 6-month-old.

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My name's La Guardia Cross. I make music, art, film, and I co-created 2 baby girls with my wife, Leah.

New Father Chronicles began in November of 2014 when my daughter Amalah was 1-week-old. I had no idea what I was doing, so I decided to chronicle my journey on YouTube and make fun of myself along the way. Our 2nd daughter, Nayely, was born in April of 2017.

My channel is filled with the silly adventures I have with my girls, infant and toddler interviews, my interpretations of their babble, silly skits, and the things I've learned or unlearned as a parent. Sometimes Leah and I mix it up a bit and share some pretty personal moments as well. Why? Well, we're far from perfect and we've learned a lot from our mistakes.”…

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Video #4: Interview With A Toddler and Baby



La Guardia Cross, Published on Sep 12, 2018

Since my toddler takes 50 years to finish up in the bathroom, I decided to sit down for a chat. We had breakfast afterward, but the baby couldn't make up her mind about what she wanted."...

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Video #5:Interview With A 3-Year-Old



La Guardia Cross, Published on Jan 24, 2018

I decided to interview my 3-year-old daughter, Amalah, to see how well she knows me and if she's finally ready to say who she loves the most.

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Video #6: My Kids Are Annoying



La Guardia Cross, Published on Mar 6, 2019

While my 4-year-old daughter was in school, I decided to show my 1-year-old girl a special song I wrote about her and her sister."...

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Video #7: i tried to collab with my 2-year-old



La Guardia Cross, Published on Jul 17, 2019

I tried to make music with my 2-year-old. I have a loop machine, some toy instruments, and a microphone. I thought it'd be fun to collab on something special. This is exactly what happened. The song is called "Buy Me The Bun", based on the semi-babble of my 2-year-old daughter...

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Sonny Okosun - "African Soldiers" (Nigerian song sound file & lyrics)

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This pancocojams post showcases a sound file of the song "African Soldiers" by Nigerian vocalist Sonny Okosun (This name is also given as Sunny Okosuns). A partial transcription of "African Soldiers" is also included in this post. Please add additions & corrections to these lyrics or please provide a link if this song's complete lyrics are already available online.

Click http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Okosun for information about Sonny Okosun.

The content of this post is presented for cultural, inspiration, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Sonny Okosun and all those Black persons who maintained their integrity & worked positively on behalf of freedom. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of this sound examples on YouTube.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/06/sonny-okosun-african-soldier-with.html for a 2013 pancocojams post about this song that includes incomplete lyrics as well as the complete lyrics that were shared on July 29, 2019 by an Unknown commenter.

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SHOWCASE SOUND FILE: Sonny Okosuns - African Soldiers (Audio)



hogan523,Uploaded on Apr 9, 2011

Attention African Soldiers!
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Click http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-0MJ0h02tA for a video of this song which unfortunately is of very poor visual quality.

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SONG LYRICS: "AFRICAN SOLDIER"
(Sonny Okosuns)

Oya o, oya (oya o, oya)
Oya o, oya, oya (oya o, oya)
I want to salute African sodiers (oya o, oya)
African soldiers who fought for our freedom (oya o, oya)
I want to salute African soldiers now (oya o, oya)
African soldiers who fought for freedom (oya o, oya)

Some are dead and some are living (oya o, oya)
Those that are dead are still fighting on (oya o, oya)
Those that are living are still fighting (oya o, oya)

Shaka Zulu, African soldier (oya o, oya)
Haile Selassie, African soldier (oya o, oya)
Nnamdi Azikiwe, African soldier (oya o, oya)
Kwame Nkrumah, African soldier (oya o, oya)
Jomo Kenyatta, African soldier (oya o, oya)
Patrice Lumumba, African soldier (oya o, oya)
Marcus Garvey, African soldier (oya o, oya)

African soldiers show your power oh (oya o, oya)
Show your power and free your people now, (oya o, oya)
Save your people, save your people, (oya o)
Save them now (a-yo wa)

From economic hazards (a-yo wa)
Save your people (a-yo wa)
From political non-sense (ay-o wa)
I say save your people (a-yo wa)
From economic rubbish (a-yo wa)
Oh, save your people (a-yo wa)
From political yabis (a-yo wa)
I say save Africa (a-yo wa)
From political jargon (a-yo wa)

Attention African soldiers, lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia
Lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia, o, (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
We're still calling African soldiers, (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
African soldiers who fought for Africa, (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)

Herbert Macaulay, African soldier (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
Ahmadu Bello, African soldier (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
Obafemi Awolowo, African soldier (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
Dr. Steve Biko, African soldier (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
Yes, Augustine Oyeto, African soldier (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
Mmm, Sekou Toure, African soldier (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
Julius Nyerere, African soldier o (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
Oba Akenzua, African soldier (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)

Lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia o, (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)

[Interlude]

Oya o, oya (oya o, oya)
Oya o, oya, oya (oya o, oya)
I want to salute African sodiers (oya o, oya)
African soldiers who fought for our freedom (oya o, oya)
I want to salute African soldiers now (oya o, oya)
African soldiers who fought for freedom (oya o, oya)

Some are dead and some are living (oya o, oya)
Those that are dead are still fighting on (oya o, oya)
Those that are living are still fighting (oya o, oya)

Martin Luther-King, African soldier (oya o, oya)
Houphouet Boigny, African soldier (oya o, oya)
Robert Mugabe, African soldier (oya o, oya)
Samora Machel, African soldier (oya o, oya)
Mmm, Bashorun, African soldier (oya o, oya)
Bashorun you be African soldier (oya o, oya)
Kenneth Kaunda, African soldier o (oya o, oya)
Hubert Ogunde, African soldier (oya o, oya)

African soldiers show your power, o (oya o, oya)
Show your power and free your people now, (oya o)

From economic hazards (a-yo wa)
I say save your people (a-yo wa)
From political non-sense (ay-o wa)
Will you save your people (a-yo wa)
From economic rubbish (a-yo wa)
I say save your people now (a-yo wa)
From political yabis (a-yo wa)
I say save your people (a-yo wa)
From economic jargon (a-yo wa)

Attention African soldiers, lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia
Oh, lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia, o, (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
We're still calling African soldiers, (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
African soldiers who fought for our freedom, (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)

Nelson Mandela, African soldier o (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
I say Nelson Mandela you be African soldier, (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
Desmond Tutu, African soldier (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
Mr. Nkomo, African soldier o (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
Sam Nujoma, African soldier (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
Murtala Muhammed, African soldier o (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
Muhammad Ali, African soldier (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
Mark Anthony, African soldier (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)

Lai-la sie ga-si lai-la bia o, (lai-la sie ka-si lai-la bia)
Huh!
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Thanks to Unknown, July 29, 2019 for these lyrics.

Thanks also to Victor Oniagba; September 26, 2017 who corrected my earlier partial transcription of this song.
Note that Victor Oniagba also wrote that "The "oya" means "it's time", the preceding "o" is just an emphatic


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Click http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=362_c83KDvw for a "recreated version" of this song. This version was included in the 2011 Ghanaian movie Somewhere In Africa.* In addition to some of the African leaders mentioned in the original song & other African leaders, this version "name checks" [gives a shout out] to such famous African Americans & Black Caribbeans as Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey, and Marcus Garvey.

*Click http://www.ghanacelebrities.com/2011/04/24/new-movie-%E2%80%98somewhere-in-africa%E2%80%99-starring-majid-michel-martha-ankomah-eddie-nartey-david-dontoh-roselyn-ngissah-kofi-adjorlolo-others%E2%80%A6 for information about this movie.

This video shows African teens dressed in their school uniform dancing. Included among those teens is a heavyset girl who is highlighted perhaps for comic effect.

WARNING - The viewer comment thread of this video includes a considerable amount of profanity, racist comments, and argumentative exchanges.

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Examples Of The "Wakanda Forever" Saying On Various Non-Black Panther Movie Related Internet Discussion Threads & Comments About

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This is Part I of a two part pancocojams series on the saying "Wakanda Forever" or the use of the word "Wakanda" with or without the "Wakanda Forever" gesture (salute).

Part I presents a compilation of examples of the "Wakanda Forever" saying or the use of the word "Wakanda" (with or without the "Wakanda Forever" salute) from discussion threads for various YouTube videos that aren't related to the "Black Panther" movie or Black Panther dance challenges.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/07/what-wakanda-forever-saying-and-gesture.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. Part II presents background about the "Wakanda Forever" saying and gesture.

Part II also explores the meaning/s of the "Wakanda Forever" saying or the use of the word "Wakanda" in comments, tags, or screen names really mean (with or without the "Wakanda Forever" gesture/salute.)

A video clip of three Black Panther actors/actresses explaining and demonstrating the Wakanda forever salute is featured in Part II of this pancocojams series.

The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural and linguistic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are associated with the 2018 Black Panther movie. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Click
http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/02/video-examples-of-comments-about-black.html
for the 2018 pancocojams post entitled "Video Examples Of & Comments About The Black Panther Movie's "Secret Handshake"&"Wakanda Forever" Salute". A few comments from that post are given in Source #1 of this post.

Additional pancocojams posts about the Black Panther movie can be accessed by clicking the Black Panther tag below.

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A COMPILATION OF ONLINE "WAKANDA FOREVER" OR "WAKANDA" COMMENTS (WITH OR WITHOUT THE "WAKANDA FOREVER" GESTURE
Pancocojams Editor's Note
I've come across many more online examples of comments that only consists of the words "Wakanda Forever" or the word "Wakanda" with or without the "Wakanda Forever" gesture from discussion threads that aren't directly connected with the 2018 Black Panther movie or the dance challenges that sprung up in honor of that movie. However, I didn't begin to document all of those examples until fairly recently.

These examples are given in no particular order. Numbers are assigned to these examples for referencing purposes only.

Note that the discussion thread comments that are given as Source #1 are the only ones that aren't from YouTube discussion threads. I think that forum is from Canada.

The videos whose discussion threads are quoted are from various nations throughout the world:
Source #2. South Africa
Source #3: South Africa
Source #4: the United States
Source #5: South Africa
Source #6: Zambia
Source #7: Nigeria
Source #8: the United States
Source #9: Zambia
Source #10: India

However, the commenters who are quoted may be from any nation throughout the world.

Source #1
From https://www.resetera.com/threads/black-people-in-toronto-are-doing-the-black-panther-greeting.24341/"Black People in Toronto are doing the Black Panther greeting..."

1. BlackFyre
"We are the most culturally diverse city on the planet and I saw people doing the Black Panther / Wakanda greeting in downtown Toronto yesterday. Saw it at a mall and at a restaurant.

I think it's awesome!!!!!"

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From https://www.resetera.com/threads/black-people-in-toronto-are-doing-the-black-panther-greeting.24341/page-3

2. Cuburger
"Man, people are so down on this for coming from a comic book movie or being trendy or being nerdy or being lame or whatever, but the film has already become a legit cultural phenomenon and this is practically people celebrating this shared moment of positivity with a gesture that is kind of cool. Let people have their fun."

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3. y2dvd
"I've seen it done irl a few times already. I love it!"
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"irl" = in real life

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4. T'Challa Shakur
"Bruh...every black person I know is doing it."
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Note that this commenter's screen name combines the name of the Black Panther character with the last name of the very well respected Hip Hop artist Tupac.

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From https://www.resetera.com/threads/black-people-in-toronto-are-doing-the-black-panther-greeting.24341/page-5

5. Bowling Pin
..." I do think the Wakandan greeting can gain traction since it's a simple enough gesture, from an extremely popular movie, to actually catch on with people. We did it a few times yesterday with the group from work I went with, and it didn't feel corny, so...

WAKANDA FOREVER
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The bold font was originally used in that comment.

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Source #2:
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhgb60Qsjrs
Miriam Makeba - Click Song (Qongqothwane) (Live)
Miriam Makeba Official Channel, Published on Feb 6, 2015

Professor X, June 2019
"Wakanda forever"

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Source #3
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU6vQCfGIPg
Passion Drives Us - "Vele Kunzima"
Official Passion Drives Us _ South Africa, Published on Apr 17, 2019
Samantha Jacobs, July 2019
"WAKANDA beautiful holy melodies are these😍😍😍😭😭the chills"

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Source #4
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjiGBpdmk_I
Black sounding" names and their surprising history
Say It Loud, Published on Jun 27, 2019

[Pancocojams Editor's description: From 6:35-6:50 in this video there's a skit of one of the women who hosts this vlog playing the role of a pregnant Black woman who is reading suggested names for her baby that she pulls one by one out of a large pretend baby bottle.]

“Ooh! Malik Sayid Akan. [raised left fist up below her shoulder and says] "That’s powerful. Giving me Black melinated kings." [continued reading names] "Amala, Aniyah. Giving me regal African princess vibes. Wakanda."

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Source #5
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W319s4Tvp9Y
Siki Jo-An – ‘The Click Song' | Blind Audition | The Voice SA: Season 3 | M-Net
The Voice South Africa, Published on Feb 10, 2019
1. kwanimu kwanimu, 2019
"Wakanda 4eva"

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2. Aummani Music ent, 2019
"Wakanda forever"

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3. Arnulfo Alvarez, 2019
"Wakanda"
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This is only a few examples of “Wakanda Forever” in this discussion thread. A couple of people wrote that IsiXhosa was the African language that was used in the Black Panther movie which may at least in part account for these comments. For example,
Jonathan, 2019
"Remember the language spoken in Wakanda? This is it--isiXhosa."

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Source #6
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2lvgKDpiSA
Sampa the Great – Final Form (Official Video)
Sampa The Great, Published on Jun 5, 2019
Evert Taihuttu, 2019
"Instant Classic!! X Wakanda Forever X Peace from London!"

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Source #7
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puV5jZcTzJI
Yemi Alade - How I Feel (Official Video)
Yemi Alade, Published on Jun 15, 2018
LovelyGgg1 L, 2018
"WAKANDA FOREVER
I WAS DANCIN
MY JALLOF BE GOOD"

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Source: #8
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq8eyCn2YZI&t=2s
Wakanda Salute Medley
Anil Yossundara, Published on Mar 13, 2018
Black Athletes using "Wakanda Forever" Salute to celebrate victories
1. Saif Ali Khan, 2018
"This symbol is so cool.
Wakanda Forever.
That’s what happens when a movie makes worldwide effect"

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2. MsFireflygurl, 2018
"Lol this white guy at the corner store near my house did this to me when I was walking up to purchase my things and then before I left he was like, "Wakanda forever" and I was so taken aback. I didn't know if I should've done it back or what. It so was weird! 😂😂"
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The commenter has a screen photograph of a Black woman.

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3. Kewin Antony, 2018
"I'm an Indian.... Love it! "WAKANDA FOREVER""

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4. S Mongoe, 2018
"Love for my People...#Wakanda"

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5. 12 34, 2018
"Wakanda forever my brutha"

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Source #9
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDubhAKSeB0
Sampa The Great - Energy (feat. Nadeem Din-Gabisi)
Sampa The Great, Published on Nov 29, 2018
Eric Hahn, 2019
"Wakanda forever!

As a white dude I’m really felling this song the way art culture and Soul blend is 5 stars!"

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Source #10
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T0kHqa-hVU
Siddis (African Indian) Wedding Party In Jamnagar and in Talala, Gujarat, India
visualpoet1, Published on Nov 17, 2018

Wakanda Forever, 2019
"OUR BANTU AFRICANS WHO MIGRATED TO INDIA. we love you. From Tanzania"

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What The "Wakanda Forever" Saying And Salute REALLY Mean To Black Folks

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This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series on the saying "Wakanda Forever" or the use of the word "Wakanda" with or without the "Wakanda Forever" gesture (salute).

Part II presents background about the "Wakanda Forever" saying and gesture.

Part II also explores the meaning/s of the "Wakanda Forever" saying or the use of the word "Wakanda" in comments, tags, or screen names really mean (with or without the "Wakanda Forever" gesture.)

A video clip of three Black Panther actors/actresses explaining and demonstrating the Wakanda forever salute is featured in this pancocojams post.

Comments from online sources are given to support the conclusions that are presented in this post.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/07/examples-of-wakanda-forever-saying-on.html for Part I of this series. Part I presents a compilation of examples of the "Wakanda Forever" saying or the use of the word "Wakanda" (with or without the "Wakanda Forever"gesture) from discussion threads for various YouTube videos that aren't related to the "Black Panther" movie or Black Panther dance challenges.

The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural and linguistic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are associated with the 2018 Black Panther movie. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of the YouTube video that is embedded in this post.
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Click
http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/02/video-examples-of-comments-about-black.html
for the 2018 pancocojams post entitled "Video Examples Of & Comments About The Black Panther Movie's "Secret Handshake"&"Wakanda Forever" Salute".

Additional pancocojams posts about the Black Panther movie can be accessed by clicking the Black Panther tag below.

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BACKGROUND ABOUT THE WAKANDA FOREVER SAYING AND SALUTE
Excerpt #1:
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakanda
"Wakanda is a fictional country located in Sub-Saharan Africa created by Marvel Comics.[1] It is home to the superhero Black Panther. Wakanda first appeared in Fantastic Four #52 (July 1966), and was created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.[2]

Wakanda has appeared in various media adaptations, including the Marvel Cinematic Universe films Captain America: Civil War (2016), Black Panther (2018), Avengers: Infinity War (2018), and Avengers: Endgame (2019).

[...]

Motto "Wakanda forever!"
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The "Wakanda forever" saying and gesture are also used as greetings in the fictional nation of "Wakanda".

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Excerpt #2
From https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/wakanda-forever
"About
Wakanda Forever is the catchphrase of the fictional African country Wakanda in the Marvel film Black Panther. It is accompanied by a gesture where one folds their close-fisted arms across their chest.

Origin
In Black Panther, released January 10th, 2018, characters would perform the salute in deference to main character T'challa and as a show of solidarity for the land of Wakanda (salute shown below)....

[...]

The catchphrase and gesture spread through popular culture after the success of the film."...
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Most of this know your meme article focuses on how the writer believes that "Online, Black Panther star Chadwick Boseman's increasingly less-enthusiastic recreations of the pose have led to jokes." There's very little about who says the "Wakanda Forever" catchphrase, who does this gesture/salute, and what the catchphrase and gesture mean.
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This video isn't the same one that was embedded in that article.

How to do the 'Black Panther' Handshake | All Access



Fandango All Access, Published on May 9, 2018

'Black Panther' stars Chadwick Boseman, Danai Gurira, and Letitia Wright discuss seeing the impact the movie had on the fans and attempt to teach Fandango correspondent Nikki Novak how to properly do the famous T'Challa and Shuri handshake.

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Excerpt #3
From https://variety.com/video/wakanda-forever-black-panther/ Why Wakanda Forever Is Bigger Than Black Panther [Variety, 2018]
"Coming off the successful February debut of “Black Panther,” some of Marvel fan’s favorite characters from Wakanda are returning to the big screen to join a superhero team in “Avengers: Infinity War.”

Since the film’s release, the phrase “Wakanda forever” from “Black Panther” has taken over social media. Star Winston Duke, who plays M’Baku, told Variety, “It’s taken on a life of its own.”

“Like I’ve always said [about] ‘Black Panther’ — there’s a movie and then there’s the event around the movie that’s something even more than we could’ve imagined,” Duke explained. He said he is “just happy that it’s reaching into a lot of different hearts and a lot of different minds.”...
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Selected comments from this article's discussion thread are given below.

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WHAT "WAKANDA FOREVER" SAYING OR THE USE OF THE WORD "WAKANDA" REALLY MEAN (WITH OR WITHOUT THE "WAKANDA FOREVER" GESTURE)
Pancocojams Editor's Note:
Here are my conclusions about the meaning/s of the "Wakanda Forever" saying or the use of the word "Wakanda" in comments, tags, or screen names really mean (with or without the "Wakanda Forever" gesture.) I included comments from online sources to support these conclusions.

These points are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

The saying "Wakanda forever" (or the use of the word "Wakanda" in a sentence or as a tag or screen name) or the "Wakanda forever gesture
1. symbolizes -for Black people in particular- the concept of "Wakanda".

2. expresses and/or celebrates Black pride

3. expresses Black excellence (Black accomplishment/s)

4. expresses and/or celebrates Black unity

5. expresses and/or celebrates Black power

6. expresses love and appreciation for someone who is Black and/or something that is considered Black (such as a "Black" song or a "Black" personal name)

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7. is a hip handshake, in the same category as many other creative African American handshakes and greeting gestures such as "the dab"

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COMMENTS THAT SUPPORT THESE CONCLUSIONS
Source #1:
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf_A3_mVLCo
Black Panther 'Wakanda forever' becomes new global salute for empowerment
IBTimes UK, Published on Mar 14, 2018
[publisher's summary] "The 'Wakanda Salute' from Marvel's 'Black Panther' movie has taken on a life beyond the screen. It has become the new symbol for black power. Celebrities and athletes all over the world have started to use the gesture in moments of triumph."
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Selected comments from that video's discussion thread (with numbers added for referencing purposes only)
1.Amanda Nies, 2018
"People can have their say, but filling the comments with negativity will not gain you any favor. We are all aware that Wakanda is a fictional country with a fictional superhero, but this movie has given us not just positive role models, but a deeper look and respect for African culture. This gesture brings a symbol of empowerment, confidence, and hope to not just the black community, but to everyone regardless."

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REPLY
2.Orlanzo Telfer, 2018
"Tho wakanda is a fictional country
And black panther a fictional hero..
This movie have given ppl especially black people an appreciation and proudness for African culture that I've never seen before....
We in the west are so use to seeing Africa in poverty it was refreshing to see a positive side to Africa"

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REPLY
3. Orlanzo Telfer, 2018
"... here's something you don't get black panther isn't all fake....nearly all the clothes are traditional Nigerian clothes..the dancing and even the rituals in it.. wakanda isn't real. .black panther isn't real...but a lot of the movie is based on traditional African culture. ...
And how it's affected reality....it's showing traditional African culture in a positive light..instead of just commercials for poverty and aid......it's showing that traditional African things can be adorn by princely regal ppl"

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REPLY
4. Orlanzo Telfer, 2018
"...I was born in Jamaica...grew up in England..joined the army traveled the world..lived in Kenya for a year and not living in Florida...that's just to show I haven't been asleep..I get around.....and yes the majority of the images we in the west have of Africa is that of poverty and UNICEF commercials...on to of that again what movies do you see this much black ppl in...answer...hood crime movies... slavery movies....why do you think this movie resonated with so many ppl..cause we haven't seen black ppl in movies.....no it was because of regalness , dignity and light they were shown in.....the movie didn't play to any black trops.....
The was no token black guy..
No deadbeat dad
Objectified hood hoes
Hood life
Slave life
Black ppl money troubles
Chatty gossiping black women..
Name a black trope...this movie didn't do it..."

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Source #2
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq8eyCn2YZI&t=2s
Wakanda Salute Medley
Anil Yossundara, Published on Mar 13, 2018
Juliet Waithera, 2018
"I feel like black panther came to unite black people.....Wakanda for life so proud"

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Source #3
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq8eyCn2YZI&t=63s
Wakanda Salute Medley
Anil Yossundara, Published on Mar 13, 2018
[Publisher's summary] "Black Athletes using "Wakanda Forever" Salute to celebrate victories"
1. Juliet Waithera, 2018
"I feel like black panther came to unite black people.....Wakanda for life so proud"

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REPLY
2. Andrés Martino, 2018
"It came out to unite everyone, heavily implied by Wakanda opening up to the whole world in the ending"

REPLY
3. ROSSINI Productions, 2018
"This should be a black greeting code worldwide. Black only!"

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REPLY
4. Soumyajit Sarkar, 2018
"It's for everyone , it's a sign of celebration and joy , it has no f&&king* race or color . If a color tag is put into it , then we may as well put a tag on every other cultural and religious festival and go back to the 5th century ."
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.

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5. Michael Rogers, 2018
"Love the message of unity that this movie expressed and how it sparked a new pride for our people"

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6. Fred Smith, 2019
"Finally people are proud to be African all around! It's about time.... I wish my grandpa was alive to see this...."

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7. star, 2019
"Wakandan Salute = the new dab"

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REPLY
8. PlayMaker : AXØK, 2019
"Yep it's better than the dab"

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9. Da Prem, 2019
"Wakanda isn't real"

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REPLY
10. Ajie Afianto, 2019
"you know nothing, jon snow."

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REPLY
11. maureen .j, 2019
"But the pride and love is"

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What "You're Dipping In The Kool-Aid And You Don't Even Know The Flavor" REALLY Means

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Latest Revision: August 1, 2019 at 8:09 AM

This pancocojams post presents meanings for the African American Vernacular English (AAVE)* saying "Stop dippin[g] in the Kool-Aid if you don't even know the flavor" (or, as Senator Cory Booker (Dem: New Jersey) put it: “There’s a saying in my community: You’re dipping into the Kool-Aid and you don’t even know the flavor.”

Addendum #1 to this post presents a definition of the English word "dip" and information about "Kool-Aid".

Addendum #2 presents an excerpt to a 2012 pancocojams post entitled "The Stereotype Of African Americans & Kool-Aid". I added that Addendum because I believe that the phrase "dippin[g] in the Kool-Aid" comes from African American culture and want to share the history and my thoughts about the stereotypical association of the brand name product "Kool-Aid" with African Americans.

The content of this post is presented for linguistic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Special thanks to Senator Cory Booker for popularizing this saying during an exchange with former Vice President Joe Biden in the Democratic Primary debate that was aired on CNN television July 31, 2019.
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*Pancocojams Editor's Note: I've found no online documentation that "dippin[g] in the Kool-Aid" originated with African Americans. However, given the way that phrase is constructed, and given the historical and present day dominance of African Americans in the creation and adaption of American slang, I believe that it is very likely that African Americans were the first to coin and use that saying.

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE POLITICAL EXCHANGE THAT POPULARIZED THIS SAYING
Source #1
From https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/455670-kool-aid-embraces-debate-shout-out-from-booker-oh-yeah Kool-Aid embraces debate shout-out from Booker: 'Oh yeah'
BY JUDY KURTZ - 07/31/19 10:37 PM EDT 87
"An unexpected personality is busting in on the Democratic presidential debate: the Kool-Aid Man.

The campy red mascot for the fruit punch drink responded to a shout-out from Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) during Wednesday's showdown among White House hopefuls.

"There's a saying in my community," Booker told Joe Biden while responding to the former vice president's criticism of his crime-fighting record as mayor of Newark, N.J., “You’re dipping into the Kool-Aid and you don’t even know the flavor.”

Shortly after Booker's remark, the Twitter account for the perpetually smiling pitcher — who's known for breaking through walls — offered up a punchy reply, tweeting to its more than 31,000 followers:

Kool-Aid

Verified account

@koolaid

#Ahem @SenBooker OH YEAH #WeKnowTheFlavor #DemDebate
10:06 PM - Jul 31, 2019”...

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Source #2
From https://twitter.com/brianstelter?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Brian Stelter

Verified account

@brianstelter

Per Twitter, the most-tweeted moment was Booker's "Kool-aid" comment to Biden"

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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Cory Booker to Biden: You're dipping into the Kool-Aid and don't even know the flavor



CNN, Published on Jul 31, 2019

Former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) have an exchange over criminal justice records during the second night of the CNN Democratic primary debate. #CNN #News
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Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fjEViOF4JE for this YouTube video that shows a big pitcher of red Kool-Aid crashing through walls:
"Classic Kool-Aid Man Commercial Compilation (OH YEAH!)"
RealityVirtual, Published on Jul 9, 2015

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE SAYING "DIPPING IN THE KOOL-AID" FROM VARIOUS ONLINE SOURCES
These entries are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

Source #1
From https://bestlifeonline.com/1970s-slang-terms/
20 Slang Terms From the 1970s No One Uses Anymore
by BOB LARKIN, DECEMBER 8, 2017
..."6. Stop dipping in my Kool-Aid
When somebody is up in your business and they won’t leave you alone, just tell them to stop dipping in your Kool-Aid. Your Kool-Aid, in this equation, is your business, and the dipper is the person who won’t leave you alone.

Example: “I told you I don’t want to talk about my divorce. Stop dipping in my Kool-Aid.” "

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Source #2
From https://lingomash.com/slang-meanings/50380/slang-meaning-of-stop-dipping-in-my-kool-aid
"Slang meaning of Stop Dipping In My Kool-aid
Stop Dipping In My Kool-aid means: stay out of my buisness"

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Source #3
From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dont%20be%20dipping%20in%20the%20koolaid%20when%20you%20dont%20know%20the%20flavor
"Dont be dipping in the koolaid when you dont know the flavor

What you say to dum people that are getting in your bizness or messing with stuff they dont need to be messin with.
(thinking they know somthing when they dont )
Bill: LMAO I bet she dumped you cus u were a cheap ass!
Nick: Man Dont be dipping in the koolaid when you dont know the flavor.

#dum#meddelin#comebacks#bizness#koolaid#flavor#dont#know#when#dipping#bisness#cheepass#cheep ass
by sheirdog December 10, 2008"

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THE MEANING OF THE CLOSELY RELATED SAYING "DIPPING IN MY KOOL-AID"
1.
From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dipping%20in%20my%20kool-aid

Dipping in my kool-aid
Trying to take/having an afair with someones girl.
1:Are you dippin' in my Kool-aid?!

2:No man she is all yours.

by Theodore Calech January 23, 2005

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2.
From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dipping%20in%20my%20kool-aid

Dipping in my kool-aid
Messing with, trying to steal, or interfering with someone getting a girl.
"Ay girl wanna go to the movies tonight?"
"Naw f&&k* that ,girl go with me"
"Dude quit Dipping in my kool-aid."

#dipping#kool-aid#kool#aid#dipp#stealing
by I3randon. December 18, 2008"
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment

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ADDENDUM #1: DEFINITION OF "DIP" AND INFORMATION ABOUT THE BRAND NAME "KOOL-AID"
Definition for "dip"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dip
"a. to plunge or immerse momentarily or partially under the surface (as of a liquid) so as to moisten, cool, or coat"

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Information about "Kool-Aid"
Excerpt #1
From http://mentalfloss.com/article/68405/15-sweet-facts-about-kool-aid 15 Things You Might Not Know About Kool-Aid, BY ALVIN WARD APRIL 14, 2016
"It’s been a staple of American pitchers and cups for nearly 90 years, but you might not know the sugary drink quite as well as you think you do. Here are a few nuggets about its history, alternate uses, and marketing that will make you yell, “Oh yeah!”

1. KOOL-AID WAS BORN IN HASTINGS, NEB.
Edwin Perkins, the man behind Kool-Aid, was originally a mail-order merchant of all sorts of products. He peddled a sunburn salve of his own creation, medicine, cleaning supplies, foods, and whatever else he could find. After striking out on his own in 1920 to form the Perkins Products Co. in Hastings, Neb., Perkins expanded his offerings to include a fruity soft drink that quickly won customers over.

2. IT WASN'T ALWAYS A POWDER.
Kool-Aid is famous for its inexpensive envelopes of powdered drink mix, but it wasn’t always a solid. When Perkins began selling fruity soft drinks in the 1920s, his product was a liquid concentrate that came packaged in four-ounce bottles. Perkins would ship the small bottles to customers, who could mix up a pitcher of soft drink by adding sugar and water.

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3. A SHIPPING PROBLEM HELPED SPARK ITS SUCCESS.
Drinkers loved Perkins’s concoction, but it was far from the perfect mail-order product. The syrup—which he sold in lemon, raspberry, orange, root beer, cherry, and grape varieties—had to be mailed in heavy glass bottles, which led to hefty expenses for postage and were prone to shattering in transit. Ever the inventive chemist, Perkins took a cue from the success of Jell-O and abandoned the liquid in favor of a lightweight, easily shipped powder form of the drink. He started marketing the new powder in 1927."...

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Excerpt #2
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kool-Aid
..."Production
Kool-Aid is usually sold in powder form, in either packets or small tubs. The actual beverage is prepared by mixing the powder with sugar (the packets of powder are usually, though not always, unsweetened) and water, typically by the pitcherful. The drink is usually either served with ice or refrigerated and served chilled. Additionally, there are some sugar-free varieties.

Advertising and promotion
The Kool-Aid Man, an anthropomorphic pitcher filled with Kool-Aid, is the mascot of Kool-Aid. The character was introduced shortly after General Foods acquired the brand in the 1950s. In television and print ads, the Kool-Aid Man was known for randomly bursting through walls of children's homes and proceeding to make a batch of Kool-Aid for them. His catchphrase is "Oh, yeah!"

Starting in 2011, Kraft began allocating the majority of the Kool-Aid marketing budget towards Latinos. According to the brand, almost 20 percent of Kool-Aid drinkers are Hispanic, and slightly more than 20 percent are African-American.[9]"...

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ADDENDUM #2
From a href="http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/02/the-stereotype-of-african-americans.html">http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/02/the-stereotype-of-african-americans.html"The Stereotype Of African Americans & Kool-Aid", posted in February 2012
...[quoting an online question] "Okay, Non-American here... Is there a specific streotype associated to Kool-Aid and blacks in the States, or is it just a random\strange product to choose?"
- Spekatie, http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/02/09/black-history-month-kool-aid-sale/#disqus_thread
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[Pancocojams Editor] I decided to look online before I responded to that query, and doing so I found a similar, but much more loaded question on http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091228235646AAiesFk

"Why do black people like kool aid, fried chicken, and watermelon?

what do African Americans like kfc kool aid and watermelon im not a racist im not trying to be one no offence to anyone but why do people say they like it so much?"
- Mr. Crazy, 2010
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[Pancocojams Editor] There were several responses to that question, but the one that was voted the best was submitted by Mr. Baltimoron. I agree with the first part of his response:

"Many black people in America come from poor backgrounds. Chicken always used to be a cheaper meat (than, say, beef), so it's the protein they could afford. Of course chicken is bland in flavor (it tastes like, uh, chicken) so what can you do to spice it up? Flour is cheap, oil is cheap, and deep frying anything makes it 127% tastier. Tah-dah! Fried chicken. Same thing for Kool Aid (cheap and easy to make). Both are less a "black" thing and more economic and regional (the South) in origin but were grafted onto blacks as a dehumanizing mechanism...
- The Baltimoron 2010
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That blogger goes on to write that "Yes, your question (whether intended or not) is offensive. Whites used to malign black people as watermelon and chicken thieves. They would say that during the night, when it was pitch dark, black people would go to the master's field to steal watermelons, or, like foxes, to the chicken coop to steal chickens. But supposedly, these black people were always betrayed by their white teeth and white eyes which shone in the dark like lightning. So they could not hide, even in the darkest of nights, even though they were so black. That was why their smiles were cut like slices of watermelon and they were considered, like chickens, to be cowards."
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I don't agree that asking a question about the reasons for stereotypes is necessarily offensive. However, I believe that accepting that stereotype as the truth is offensive for the reasons that Baltimoron wrote.

Referring to Kool-Aid as the Black person's drink is a short handed way of saying that all Black people are poor. That statement is stereotypical. First of all, there are more poor White people in the USA (since it's probable that those making that statement erroneously equate the referent "Black people" with African Americans). Furthermore, all Black people in the United States aren't poor. Some of us (but unfortunately not me) are quite wealthy.

However, I think there are other reasons besides that product being inexpensive why many Americans (including Black Americans) may associate Kool-Aid flavored drink with Black folks. One of those reasons is that that company appears to have made a strategic marketing decision to target Black people in its ads. Note that the uploader of the video on the top of this page wrote that "I remember seeing this commercial every Saturday during Soul Train lol."Soul Train was a very popular music/dance show that featured mostly Black dancers and guest recording stars. However, it wasn't just Black people who watched that show.

A number of people who watched Soul Train may have favorable rememberances of those ads not only because they were aired during that well loved show, but also because those ads favorably depicted Black people."...

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Spice - Black Hypocrisy (Jamaican Dancehall song about Colorism)

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This pancocojams post showcases the 2018 Dancehall song "Black Hypocrisy" by Spice.

The official YouTube video for this song is included in this post along with lyrics and selected comments from that video's discussion thread.

Thanks to Spice for this music and video. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.

Special thanks to Anonymous July 31, 2019 who alerted me about this song in the discussion thread for this closely related pancocojams post:

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LYRICS:
[Intro]
It's not what you expect me to say
But I'mma go ahead and say it anyway

[Verse]
('Cause) I was told I would reach further
If the colour of mi skin was lighter
And I was made to feel inferior
Cah society seh brown girls prettier
Mi love the way mi look
Mi love mi pretty black skin
Respect due to mi strong melanin
Proud of mi colour, love the skin that I'm in
Bun racism, demolish colourism
But the things weh mi a go seh
Yuh might not even have mi back
I get hate from my own race
Yes, that's a fact
'Cause the same black people dem seh I'm too black
And if yuh bleach out yuh skin dem same one come a chat

[Bridge]
Well, since yuh seh that I'm too black for you
I'll please yuh, do I look how you want me to?
Now I'm gonna see if you gonna say I'm too black for you
Or do I look pretty to you?

[Chorus]
Black people hypocrisy
Leave the girls dem with low self-esteem
Unu gwaan like seh yuh haffi brown fi pretty
Fuck di whole of dem dirty inequity
Dis a black people hypocrisy
Leave the girls dem with low self-esteem
I'm black and beautiful, I know I'm pretty
Fuck the whole of dem dirty inequity

[Verse]
Dem seh mi black til mi shine, til mi look dirty
And it's the only line in life that will ever hurt me
Because it never come from a Caucasian, trust mi
Dis a black colorism big hypocrisy
So if I wake up tomorrow look like a browning, oh!
Automatically mi would a carry di swing
Nuff a unnuh nah go like di song yah mi sing
Because nuff a unnuh guilty fi di same damn thing
What's your perception of a pretty woman (tell me)
Is it straight nose with her hair well long? (Tell me)
Black girls lose self-confident
Cause they attach the word "ugly" to our complexion
[Bridge]
Well, since yuh seh that I'm too black for you
I'll please yuh, do I look how you want me to?
Now I'm gonna see if you gonna say I'm too black for you
Or do I look pretty to you?

[Chorus]

Black people hypocrisy
Leave the girls dem with low self-esteem
Unu gwaan like seh yuh haffi brown fi pretty
Fuck di whole of dem dirty inequity
Dis a black people hypocrisy
Leave the girls dem with low self-esteem
I'm black and beautiful, I know I'm pretty
F&&k* the whole of dem dirty inequity

[Outro]
(It's not what you expect me to say
But I'mma go ahead and say it anyway)
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*This word is fully spelled out in this lyric page.


[Verified Commentary From Spice]
"What inspired this song?
The moments that inspired this song was comments on social media from other dark-skinned women, or I should say other black women themselves. ‘Cause there’s different shades in black community. And I believe that they’re always degrading the darker skin girls, and there was a particular girl that went on a popular social media, and she was downplaying me because of the color of my skin. I mean, in Jamaica, I think society makes them feel like you have to have a lighter color to look better, or to get through society better. And so, I think those were things that inspired this song."

Source: https://genius.com/Spice-black-hypocrisy-lyrics

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Click https://bashymagazine.com/article/2018/10/23/spice-premieres-black-hypocrisy-music-video Spice Premieres "Black Hypocrisy" Music Video by BASHY STAFF, October 23, 2018 for an article about Spice's promotion of this song in which she appeared to "bleach" her skin.

Here are quotes from that brief article:
"Yesterday Spice broke the internet. In what was seems to have been done as part of the promotional run for her upcoming EP, Captured, the dancehall artist appeared to have bleached her skin.

[...]

The artist said that Black people in particular have had plenty to say about the complexion of her skin, with regards to her being “too black” and “dirty”...The stunt was the prelude to the release of the artist’s music video, “Black Hypocrisy”, which discusses the negative effects of colourism while promoting self-love."...

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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Spice - Black Hypocrisy (Official Music Video)



SpiceOfficialYoutube, Published on Oct 23, 2018
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Statistics as of August 1, 2019 at 1:54 PM
total # of views - 4,486,206 views

total # of likes - 199K

total # of dislikes - 6.3K

total # of comments -18,448
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Selected comments from this video's discussion thread, with numbers added for referencing purposes only:
2018
1. nookie343
"I’m a 13 year old dark skinned girl this video made me cry because I get made fun of for being a dark skinned this one girl even said “ ew you are to dark” and someone even asked my brother “why is your sister so dark” and he’s brown skinned. Sometimes I would even pray to be lighter I even searched up how to bleach your skin so when spice said “I get hate from my own race” or “ I please ya do I look how you want me to” or “do I look pretty to you” it hit me hard because I try to change for people I cant even wear black because if I do and walk into a room people would be like where’d she go i can’t see her even when the lights were on I’m the class but I can’t change how I look and I wish you did not change your skin color spice you were and inspiration to me and thanks for making this so I love it."

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2. DanaQuist2
"Stay strong, I can relate but you will grow out of it and look back and think what was I insecure about? I think about it from time to time but I’m happy with my skin tone and that’s all that matters not the validation of the opposite sex or girls around me"

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3. Naomi Why
"Oh Girl, im sorry you're experiencing this. Stay confident no matter what they say and know that not everyone thinks light skin is more beautiful.
Much love!"

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4. Nay slays
"Ummm spice did not change her color..its makeup..she was tryna prove a point but anyway i am sorry u went through that though😢😢"

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5. Sam
"If you feel beautiful others will see it eventually. Dont let them get to you. God put beutity in a variety of forms. We are like flowers all look different. :)"

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REPLY
6. DJ Miller
"Hush honeybee although I don't know you I bet you are beautiful inside and out. Love your black skin and the next time someone tells you you are too black just say, "No baby you just lack Melanin.""

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REPLY
10. Melisha Davis
"nookie343 I can relate to what your saying 😞"

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11. Shanique Ellis
"I can relate so much... I'm from Jamaica people don't play for real.

P.s she didn't bleach her skin"

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12. Ergo Sum Adrieyl
"You’re a young melanin queen. Embrace your beauty. God loves you and so do we."

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13. Jess E
"You are a beautiful black Queen. Put the crown on your head and don't let anyone ever tell you any different."

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REPLY
14. Nikki Jaay
"Baby I'm so sorry your going through this never be afraid to talk to an adult and don't be afraid to stand up for yourself you sound so wise for your age God bless you honey love yourself first God made you in his image there is nothing wrong with u boo"

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15. Fritzlanda Andre
"One day you’ll grow and love yourself. I’m really dark too. And elementary and middle school was the hardest for me. I had to start appreciating and loving myself ... and trust me when I say that you’re beautiful ❤️"

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16. Vincy Blessing
"Don't worry hunny we've all been through that phase, coming from a family that mostly all my cousins are lighter in complexion and I use to feel inferior among them but don't worry hunny you're young and a teenager in this stage in life you're concerned about what society thinks is ''beautiful'' but as you get older you'll be more self-confident and self and self acceptance and laugh as you look back of who the person you wanted to like , don't talk about he glow when you rum some oil or or cocoa butter and you see that glow! omgg , darling your black is beautiful pretty pretty skin"

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17.Jacqueline Eze
"Black is beautiful..... Don't mind them grow up be stronger smarter and proud...."

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18. Antoinette Sekibo
"There are many things I had to unlearn as I grew older...like my hair as it grows from my head is beautiful, so is my dark skin. Dry hair should not be stigmatized either. We can moisturize. We were born dark and some were born white or light but NO ONE has control over the race they are born into. So don't allow anyone to use what they had no control over to make you feel bad. You remember your Creator wants you to look the way you do. That's why he made you the way you are. See yourself as the queen you are. Never let those broken people break you too.❤❤❤ You have a right to be happy with who you are."

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19. Sharon Nicholas
"Dear nookie (and every other "dark skinned" girl in this world, be of good courage, you are blessed with everything in excess. Beautiful melanated skin that absorbs sunlight, hair that defies gravity, ample behind, luscious lips, I can go on and on. Stones are only thrown at the ripest fruit."

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20. Cassandra LeSure
"nookie343 stay strong AND soft. whenever naysayers come your way, SMILE as BIG as you can! DON'T say a word and SASHAY your way on to your own business. The truth will set you free.. lies will bind you!"

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21. Anointed Touch
"Hi honey. Too many women can identify with you but as you grow you’ll realize that your skin is what makes you so beautiful. All of those people you think are pretty because of their skin you’ll grow up and they’ll be looking at you! You are beautiful, people say that because they are brainwashed by a European standard of beauty! By the way, she didn’t bleach her skin, it’s makeup just to make a statement in the video. Be encouraged! Blackness is royalty!"

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22. Jackie Jack
"Little sis, I was you. While reading your message, I heard the people from my past, saying those exact things. I will tell you what I wish I knew - your blackness is your superpower. You are beautiful. You can conquer anything. Stay strong sis. Just look at how many of us there are. You are not alone. #blackgirlmagic"

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REPLY
23. Nastassia T
"Baby if anyone ask you why you too dark tell them to ask god. They are questioning gods work...and god dont make mistakes sweetie."

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2019
24. Miriam
"Most black woman can relate to this...even among our Black selves we are selective of "which" black is beautiful. They prefer lighter black women "yellow bone as they call them. Colorism must fall."

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25. India Modest
"JAMAICA NEES TO HAVE THIS ON REPEAT.... THEY HAVE THE MOST BLEACHED SKIN IN ALL OVER THE WORLD.... I LOVE DARK SKIN.... SMOOTH AS CHOCOLATE.... THERE IS NOTHING SO BEAUTIFUL."

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African American Versions Of The English Children's Singing Game "Two Dukes A Riding"

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This is Part I of an ongoing pancocojams series on African American versions of the English children's singing game "Two Dukes A-Riding".

Part I presents excerpts from two Mudcat folk music discussion threads: "Help: johnny cockaroo" [from 2008, 2009] and "Lyr Req: Playground songs" [from 2007].

Part II presents text (word only) examples of and sound files for a few versions of the children's singing game "Two Dukes A-Riding" (or other titles for versions of that singing game.)

Part III presents text (word only) example and YouTube examples of the singing game "Johnny Cuckoo" as sung by Bessie Jones and children from St. Simon's Island, Georgia. A sound file and lyrics for a version of "Johnny Cuckoo" as sung by Joan Baez are also included in that post.

Part IV presents an excerpt from the record notes for the album Been In The Storm Too Long and lyrics for a South Carolina version of the "Johnny Cuckoo" singing game that was sung by Janie Hunter.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, cultural, recreational, and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and all those who are featured in these YouTube examples.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S COMMENTS
This post includes a version of the children's singing game "We're Riding Here To Get Married" that I collected in 1992 and posted on Mudcat in 2007. This post also includes comment exchanges regarding the song "Johnny Cuckoo" that I and several others posted to another Mudcat discussion thread in 2008.

I wrote these comments when I was a new member of Mudcat folk music forum. I no participate in that forum. However, I credit some of its members-such as Q and Jack Campin who are also quoted below- with teaching me by their examples the importance of being alert to multiple examples of folkloric material and also as much as possible documenting demographic information and performance instructions for singing games, rhymes, and other folkoric material.

As is indicated in the main excerpt that is found below, I was the only person in that discussion who believed that the African American children's singing games "Johnny Cuckoo" has its source-at least partly- in the English children's singing game "Two Dukes A-Riding". I still strongly believe this. And this belief is supported by this background for an example of "Johnny Cuckoo" that is found on http://kodaly.hnu.edu/song.cfm?id=889 9:
"Johnny Cuckoo

Transcribed by Gail Needleman
Informant/Performer: Bessie Jones and group, St. Simon's Island, GA
Source: Alan Lomax, ed. American Folk Songs for Children Atlantic 1350

"Background Information: The ancient British game "Three Dukes A-Riding" is a courtship play in which an increasing number of "dukes" come to choose their brides from a line of young maidens, in what may be a reflection of marriage customs between clans in old Britain. Both British and American writers describe it as a line play, with the parallel lines of maidens and dukes advancing and retreating, looking "contemptuously and criticizingly" at each other as they sing "You are too black and blowsy" and "We are quite as good as you, sirs" before they finally join forces. (cont’d)"
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To reiterate- this background information is given on a page that includes a version of the singing game "Johnny Cuckoo". Unfortunately, no date is given for this note and I'm not sure if the transcriber Gail Needleman wrote that background information or whether it was written by Alan Lomax, the editor of the book that included that version of "Johnny Cuckoo."

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EXCERPT FROM MUDCAT DISCUSSION THREAD
[Numbers are assigned to these selected comments for referencing purposes only]

From http://awe.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=34425
1. Subject: johnny cockaroo
From: GUEST,earlyfloyd@yahoo.com
Date: 17 May 01 - 02:09 AM

"trying to obtain the definition and relevance of a Johnny Cockaroo..any help would be greatly appreciated!"

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2. Subject: RE: Help: johnny cockaroo
From: Azizi
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 11:09 AM

"Here's another possible source for "Johnny Cockaroo":

Here Comes One Johnny Cuckoo

[African American Georgia Sea Isle Children's Game Song]

Group:
Here comes one Johnny Cuckoo,
Cuckoo, Cuckoo.
Here comes one Johnny Cuckoo,
on a cold and stormy night.

Group:
What did you come for,
come for, come for?
What did you come for,
on a cold and stormy night?

Soloist #1:
I come to be a soldier,
soldier, soldier.
I come to be a soldier,
on a cold and stormy night.

Group:
You are too black and dirty,
dirty, dirty.
You are too black and dirty
on a cold and stormy night.

Soloist #1:
I'm just as good as you are
you are, you are.
I'm just as good as you are
on a cold and stormy night.

(repeat entire song with soloist #2 etc.)

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"Johnny Cuckoo" is a traditional game song from the Georgia Sea Isles. The song is included in a four CD collection of Southern folk songs (Alan Lomax, Sounds of the South Disc 4 Atlantic Recording Corp, 1993). The song is also included in Bess Hawes & Bess Lomax Hawes' book of Georgia Sea Isle rhymes Step It Down.

This song probably dates from the Civil War era. In my opinion, "Johnny Cuckoo" used dramatic play to teach & reinfornce self-esteem and self-confidence. Hopefully, the children internalized the affirmation that "I'm just a good as you are" for the times when they would experience put downs as children, teens, and adults.

I'm not certain if "Johnny Cuckoo" is still sung in Georgia or elsewhere. I have no knowledge of it from my childhood in New Jersey, and haven't come across anyone who knows it in my adopted city of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania."

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3. Subject: RE: Help: johnny cockaroo
From: Azizi
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 11:13 AM

"That said, I think that the original poster to this thread was probably thinking of John The Conqueroo.

Here's an excerpt from that Wikipedia page whose link I've provided:

"John the Conqueroo, also known as High John the Conqueroo, John the Conqueror, or John the Conquer root, refers to a number of roots to which magical powers are ascribed in American folklore, especially among the hoodoo tradition of folk magic. The root, in turn, is named after a folk hero called High John the Conqueror.

The root and its magical uses are mentioned in a number of blues lyrics"."

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4. Subject: RE: Help: johnny cockaroo
From: Azizi
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 11:17 AM

"I meant to add that the game song "Here Comes One Johnny Cuckoo" and the folk character "John The Conqueroo" could very well be related.

It's possible that the name of the character in the song could suggest to those hearing it the strength & power of John The Conqueror. The intended message of the song may have been "In order to be powerful like John The Conqueror you have to feel good about yourself"."

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5. Subject: RE: Help: johnny cockaroo
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 09:41 PM

"'John the Conquerer root' is said to be Ipomoea jalapa, a plant related to the large plant family which includes bindweed, morning glory and sweet potato. It may also be something else.

The "John the Conquerer," the prince who became a slave, and is invoked by the root, who appears in folk tales, may be mythical.

"red marks around a black slave's ankles"- authority for this questionable statement? Any mention of this with regard to prisoners who were shackled?

"Johnny Cuckoo" was sung by Joan Baez at Newport, 1963-1965. I doubt any relation of this song to the mojo weed. Baez probably got it from the Smithsonian or North Carolina collections.
It is the same song as sung in the Lomax-Bess Hawes albums. An excellent version by Janie Hunter from the Sea Islands (Johns Island, South Carolina) where it was associated with a ring song. See The Southern Folklife Collection, Louis Round Wilson Special Collections Library, University of North Carolina: Carawan Coll
This is a very extensive and important collection of both Black and White materials.

Janie Hunter sings "Johnny Cuckoo" on the Smithsonian Folkways album, "Been in the Storm So Long," a Johns Island collection.
The old Carawan album of the same name has become hard to get.

There is another old song with Johnny Cuckoo, probably unrelated, called "Mulberry Hill," in which an old lady is making her will. Two couplets-

And there she sat down to make her will,
Aha, aha, to make her will.

The old grey mare to Johnny Cuckoo,
Aha, aha, to Johnny Cuckoo.

Library of Congress, Folk Songs of America: The Robert Winslow Gordon Collection, 1922-1932.
http://www.loc.gov/folklife/Gordon/sideBbandB5.html

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6. Subject: RE: Help: johnny cockaroo
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 09:50 PM

"Correction, UNC Carawan Coll:
http://www.lib.unc.edu/mss/inv/c/Carawan, Guy_and_Candie.html

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7. Subject: RE: Help: johnny cockaroo
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 Sep 09 - 08:19 PM

"It seems to be a variant of a song which was adapted in Edinburgh to refer to the visit of George IV in 1822 (from my "Embro, Embro" pages):

The King's Arrival

So it predates the Civil War by at least 40 years (and probably decades more than that)."

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8. Subject: RE: Help: johnny cockaroo
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Sep 09 - 08:28 PM

"Jack and/or anyone else, isn't "Johnny Cuckoo" recognized as a variant form of Dukes A' Riding?

@displaysong.cfm?SongID=7300 *

If it isn't, why not? Note the very close similarity in the beginning words, and the "They are all so black and so browsy" verse (Dukes A'Riding) and the "black and dirty" verse (Johnny Cuckoo).

Is the King's Arrival song older than the Duke A' Riding song?
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*This is listing for the Dukes A- Riding Song in Mudcat's Digital Tradition.

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9. Subject: RE: Help: johnny cockaroo
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 Sep 09 - 08:38 PM

""The King's Arrival" was first noted down about the same time as the others, but the reference to the King dates it much earlier. The link I noticed was the "as good as you" line - which is shared by "John Cuckoo" and "The King's Arrival", but isn't in any of the DT songs."
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"DT" - "Digital Tradition" is an online text online compilation of folk songs that is hosted by Mudcat, Lyrics to songs can be accessed by their titles or perhaps also by key lines in the individual songs.

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10. Subject: RE: Help: johnny cockaroo
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Sep 09 - 09:00 PM

"According to Iona and Peter Opie* the earliest the game "Duke(s) a-riding" is known to have been played is in Lancashire, 1820-1830. The Opies give several of the large number of variants. The game was popularized in the 1880s when Plunket** (1886) and others thought that the children of the "well-to-do might find pleasure for themselves and give pleasure to their elders" by learning and playing such games.

Similar games are known throughout Europe, and have been brought to the Americas.
*Iona and Peter Opie, 1985, "The Singing Game," pp. 76-92, Oxford University Press.
** E. M. Plunket, 1886, "Merrie Games in Rhyme"

According to the Opies, "The King's Arrival" is a variant of "Duke(s) a-riding."

I rather doubt that "Johnny Cuckoo" is related. "Duke(s) a-riding" is a play-marriage game"

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11. Subject: RE: Help: johnny cockaroo
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Sep 09 - 09:37 PM

"If no folklorist has recognized the close simularities in the text of "Johnny Cuckoo" and "Dukes A' Riding", I'm amazed.

I believe the tunes are very similar, if I correctly recall the Dukes A-Riding tune.

And the manner of playing-apart from the chasing afterwards (if there is chasing afterwards in the Dukes a'riding game song. I'm jumping ahead of myself because I want to mention yet another African American children's game song that is a variant form of Dukes a'riding.

But just because the purpose of two songs are different, you would say that one isn't a variant form of another? I'm sorry, but I find that amazing."

Here is a link to the words of an African American "courting" game song that I collected in 1997 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (I gave the wrong collection year in my comments in about that song in that thread). My informant was Barbara Ray, an African American woman who remember this game song from her childhood, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in the early-mid 1950s.

thread.cfm?threadid=18352#2116757 *

Note the close similarities between Dukes a-riding (and Johnny Cuckoo) and other variant Dukes a-riding songs.

Here's the play instructions and some excerpts of that song:

Directions: The girls form a horizontal line and stand facing boys who have also formed a horizontal line. In the 1st part of this singing game, the girls sing and skip four steps for each phrase toward the boys and the boys sing while skipping four steps for each phrase toward the girls. The singing game turns into a chasing game at a specific part of the chant.


Girls:
We're riding here to get married
Married, Married
Riding here to get married.
Ah Rhythm Ah Diddee
Ah Diddee High Oh...

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Boys:

You'll get all dirty and greasy
Greasy, Greasy
You'll get all dirty and greasy
Ah Rhythm Ah Diddee
Ah Diddee High Oh


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How can anyone reading these texts not recognize that they are variant forms of "Dukes a riding"?

I don't remember this rhyme or one like it from my childhood. I also have not seen or heard of it from other children, youth, or adults since I started collecting rhymes in the late 1980s {mostly among African Americans in the Pittsburgh Pennsylvania area}.

Azizi Powell
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*[Pancocojams Editor's Note from August 2, 2019] - The singing game that I collected is given in its entirety in the Addendum to this pancocojams post.

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12. Subject: RE: Help: johnny cockaroo
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Sep 09 - 01:59 PM

"Azizi, you throw too wide a loop.

"Duke(s) a-riding" certainly is a forbear of the play song in the last part of your post; "Girls, we're riding here to get married ...." a typical match-making song.

"Here Comes One Johnny Cuckoo" (earlier post), sung by Joan Baez, and in your Cocojams, seems to be a combination of a soldier play song with the 'dirty' verses from "Duke(s)..." Floaters?
It does not mention match-making. On that basis I would separate them.
The "dark and stormy night" line is one I haven't found in other play songs.

Compare with "Here's a Soldier," another match-making song:

Here's a soldier, left all alone
Wants a wife and can't get none.
...........
What's your will, mu dilcy dulcy officer? (2x)
............
My will it is to marry, my dilcy dulcy officer
..........
You're all too old and ugly, my dilcy dulcy officer (2x
etc.

or:
I am an old soldier, I come from the war,
Come from the war;
I am an old soldier, I come from the war,
And my age it is sixty and three.
...........
Son, go choose a wife of your own,
etc.
You're all too old and ugly
................
Children seem to like the dirty, greasy, blowsy, ugly comparisons.

Neither seems to have any relation to the 'Conquerer root'.

(I have found a rather good version of "Three Dukes" from Shropshire in Gomme; if I can find that thread I will post there, or will post separately)."
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[Pancocojams Editor's Note, August 2, 2019] - "Cocojams" that is mentioned in that comment is the my no longer active cultural website that was the precursor to this pancocojams blog and my other blogs.

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13. Subject: RE: Help: johnny cockaroo
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Sep 09 - 02:20 PM

I appreciate your response Q.

I'm curious to know if any other folklorist have weighed in on the question of any possible relationship between "Johnny Cuckoo" and the "Dukes a' riding" song.

And as a relative newbie in the community folklorist "field", I'm also curious to know what other folklorists say about whether two songs have to have the same purpose* in order to be considered part of the same song family.


*For instance, do both or the songs have to be "courting songs" before they can be considered part of the same song family?

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14. Subject: RE: Help: johnny cockaroo
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Sep 09 - 02:35 PM

"Azizi, that's a greasy, slippery question. I seem to recall song relationships are argued with regard to a number of songs posted and discussed here.

How does one draw boundaries? I think the dominant purpose or intent of the song is the deciding factor for most 'folklorists'. That is not always clear-cut."

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15. Subject: RE: Help: johnny cockaroo
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Sep 09 - 02:40 PM

"Okay. I'll put the question aside on this forum, although I still maintain that there is a close relationship between the two songs in question."
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{Pancocojams Editor's Note: August 2, 2019] - The rest of the comments in that Mudcat discussion thread are about references to John The Conqueroo (Johnny cockaroo), particularly the plant "John The Conqueror" or Blues songs that include that reference and similar references. The last comment [thus far] in that discussion thread was 18 Mar 15 and, as far as I know, that discussion thread is still open to comments from that forum's members or non-members.

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ADDENDUM
From http://awe.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=18352#2116757
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Playground songs
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 03:48 PM

""WE'RE RIDING HERE TO GET MARRIED

Directions: The girls form a horizontal line and stand facing boys who have also formed a horizontal line. In the 1st part of this singing game, the girls sing and skip four steps for each phrase toward the boys and the boys sing while skipping four steps for each phrase toward the girls. The singing game turns into a chasing game at a specific part of the chant.

Girls:
We're riding here to get married
Married, Married
Riding here to get married.
Ah Rhythm Ah Diddee
Ah Diddee High Oh

Boys:
Who you gonna marry?
Marry, Marry
Who you gonna marry?
Ah Rhythm Ah Diddee
Ah Diddee High Oh

Girls:
We're gonna marry Johnny *
Johnny, Johnny
We're gonna marry Johnny
Johnny, Johnny
Ah Rhythm Ah Diddee
Ah Diddee High Oh

Boys:
How ya gonna get him?
Get Him, Get Him
How ya gonna get him
Ah Rhythm Ah Diddee
Ah Diddee High Oh

Girls:
We'll break the doors and windows
Windows, Windows
We'll break the doors and windows
Ah Rhythm Ah Diddee
A Diddee High Oh

Boys:
You'll get all dirty and greasy
Greasy, Greasy
You'll get all dirty and greasy
Ah Rhythm Ah Diddee
Ah Diddee High Oh

Girls:
We're not as greasy and you are
You are, You are
We're not as greasy as you are
Ah Rhythm A Diddee
A Diddee High Oh

Girls:
Are you coming? [Spoken loudly]

Boys:
NO! [Yelled]

* another boy's name can be substituted for "Johnny"

Part II:
When the boys yell "No!", the girls began to chase the boys. They are suppose to particularly focus on the boy whose name had been given in the chant. The boys run away. They are suppose to try to protect the boy whose name had been called from being caught by the girls. But, actually, when this game was played, the girls tried to catch any boy playing the game, and particularly focused on the boy who they liked.

-Barbara Ray, {African American woman} 1950s, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; collected by Azizi Powell, 1992.

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My "informant" for this rhyme was a girlfriend/work colleague of mine, an African American woman, Barbara Ray, who responded to a written survey of children's rhymes that I had asked people to complete in 1992. Barbara remembers this from the 1950s Pittsburgh. She wrote that "When I was growing up girls and boys would sometimes play together. This was before boys started playing sports like little league softball and football. We were different ages but mostly elementary school age. Of course, the girls would pick the boys they liked the best to chase after. We played this on the sidewalk and in the streets when no cars were coming. Kids now days don't sing songs like this. They still play hide & go but it's just someone counting to ten and then the rest of the kids hiding. I think our way was more fun".""

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Five Examples Of "Two Dukes A-Riding" (Children's Singing Game)

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This is Part II of an ongoing pancocojams series on African American versions of the English children's singing game "Two Dukes A-Riding".

Part II presents five text (word only) examples and/or YouTube sound files for a few versions of the children's singing game "Two Dukes A-Riding" (or other titles for versions of that singing game.)

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/08/african-american-versions-of-english.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. Part I presents excerpts from two Mudcat folk music discussion threads: "Help: johnny cockaroo" [from 2008, 2009] and "Lyr Req: Playground songs" [from 2007].

Part III presents text (word only) example and YouTube examples of the singing game "Johnny Cuckoo" as sung by Bessie Jones and children from St. Simon's Island, Georgia. A sound file and lyrics for a version of "Johnny Cuckoo" as sung by Joan Baez are also included in that post.

Part IV presents an excerpt from the record notes for the album Been In The Storm Too Long and lyrics for a South Carolina version of the "Johnny Cuckoo" singing game that was sung by Janie Hunter.

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All copyrights remain with their owners.

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EXAMPLES OF "TWO DUKES A-RIDING" (AND SIMILAR TITLES)

[Pancocojams Editor's Note: This pancocojams post departs from this blog's practice of showcasing performing arts that were created or performed by Black people around the world.

Instead, these showcased examples are presented to show their similarities to the examples that were presented in Part I of this pancocojams series.

These examples are given in no particular order. Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.]

Example #1
From http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/folk-song-lyrics/Three_Dukes.htm Three Dukes

1.
There came three dukes a-riding, a-riding, ride, ride, riding;
There came three dukes a-riding,
With a tinsy, tinsy, tee!

Come away, fair lady, there is no time to spare;
Let us dance, let us sing,
Let us join the wedding ring.

2.
The Campsie dukes a-riding, a-riding, a-riding;
The Campsie dukes a riding, come a rincey, dincey, dee.
3.
There's three dukes a-riding, a-riding, a-riding,
there's three dukes a-riding,
Come a ransin, tansin, my gude wife.
Come a ransin, tansin te-dee,
Before I take my evening walk,
I'll have a handsome lady,
The fairest one that I do see.

4.
Here are two Dukes arriving,
Arriving, arriving;
Here are two Dukes arriving,
My Ramsy, Tamsy, Telimsay.

What is your good will, sir,
Good will sir, good will, sir;
What is your good will, sir,
My Ramsy, Tamsy, Telimsay?

My will, sir, is to get married,
Get married, get married;
My will, sir, is to get married,
My Ramsy, Tamsy, Telimsay.

Take one of my fair daughters,
Fair daughters, fair daughters,
Take one of my fair daughters,
My Ramsy, Tamsy, Telimsay.

They are all so black and so browsy,
They sit on the sides o' Rousay;
They have no chains about their necks,
And they are all so black and so browsy.

Good enough for you, sir,
You, sir, you, sir;
Good enough for you, sir,
My Ramsy, Tamsy, Telimsay.

Before I ride the cities so wide,
I will take Miss ----- to be my bride.

5.
Here comes three Dukes a-riding,
A-riding, a-riding,
Here come three Dukes a-riding,
With a hansom-tansom-tay.

Pray what do you want with us, sirs,
With us, sirs, with us, sirs,
Pray what do you want with us, sirs,
With a ransom-tansom-tay?

We have come to marry, to marry, etc.
Will ever a one of us do, sirs? etc.

You're all as stiff as pokers, etc.
We can bend as well as you, sirs, etc.
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(1) Gomme II.245, from the West of Scotland [Folklore Record, IV.174]
(2) Gomme II.247, from Biggar;
(3) ibid., from Rosehearty, Pitsligo.
(4) Greig FSNE art. clii.2, from Sandwick, Orkney.
[Another instance of the tribal marriage imitated by
children, for at least a thousand years. Gomme suggests
that the chorus preserves an old slogan or war cry.]
(5) Rodger Lang Strang (1948), 32. Three boys play the
dukes, advancing and retiring with st. 1; the girls in a
line take hands and advance and retire with the second
stanza, etc.
Gomme & Sharp, Children's Singing Games I (1909), 20;
Opies Singing Game (1985), 76 (no. 11), with refs.
MS
oct97"

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Example #2:
From https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Folk-Lore_Journal/Volume_7/Dorsetshire_Children%27s_Games,_%26c
The Folk-Lore Journal, Volume 7
Dorsetshire Children’s Games, &c by John Symonds Udal

[...]

"The Duke of Rideo.

In this game the children stand in a group; one is chosen for the Duke, and he must stand opposite to and at some little distance from the rest of the party, who say or sing:

“Here comes the Duke of Rideo—
Of Rideo—of Rideo—
Here comes the Duke of Rideo,
Of a cold and frosty morning.”

The Duke answers:

“My will is for to get married—
To get married—get married—
My will is for to get married,
Of a cold and frosty morning.”

Chorus:

“Will any of my fair daughters do—
Fair daughters do—daughters do-o-o?
(The word “do” must he said in a drawling way.)
Will any of my fair daughters do,
Of a cold and frosty morning?”

Duke:

“They are all too black or too proudy.
They sit in the sun so cloudy,
With golden chains around their necks,
That makes them look so proudy.”

Chorus (indignantly):

“They’re good enough for you, Sir!
For you, Sir! for you, Sir!
They are good enough for you, Sir!
Of a cold and frosty morning.”

Here the Duke steps forward and says or sings:

“I’ll walk the kitchen and the hall,
And take the fairest of them all;
The fairest one that I can see
Is Miss ———— (naming her)
So Miss ———— come to me.”

The one chosen then becomes a Duke, and the game is repeated, the chosen ones, each in turn, becoming Dukes, until there is only one of the party left, when they sing:

“Now we’ve got this pretty girl—
This pretty girl—this pretty girl—
Now we’ve got this pretty girl,
Of a cold and frosty morning,”

Whilst singing this last verse they come forward and claim the last girl, and embrace her as soon as they get her over to their side. (Symondsbury.)

(vii.)—The following variant of this last game, called “A Young Man that wants a Sweetheart,” was one of those that Mr. Barnes sent an account of to Mr. Otis, and appeared in the Yarmouth Register (Mass.) for February, 1874, before alluded to.

The players consisted of a dozen boys standing hand in hand on one side, and a dozen girls standing in a row facing them. The Boys commence by singing as they dance forward:

“There’s a young man that wants a sweetheart—
Wants a sweetheart—wants a sweetheart—
There’s a young man that wants a sweetheart,
To the ransom tansom tidi-de-o.

“Let him come out and choose his own—
Choose his own—choose his own—
Let him come out and choose his own—
To the ransom tansom tidi-de-o.”

The Girls reply:

“Will any of my fine daughters do—
Daughters do—daughters do?
Will any of my fine daughters do,
To the ranson tansom tidi-de-o?”

Boys:

“They are all too black and brawny,
They sit in the sun uncloudy,
With golden chains around their necks,
They are too black and brawny.”

Girls:

“Quite good enough for you, Sir!
For you, Sir—for you, Sir!
Quite good enough for you, Sir!
To the ransom tansom tidi-de-o.”

Boys:

“I’ll walk in the kitchen, and walk in the hall,
I’ll take the fairest among you all,
The fairest of all that I can see,
Is pretty Miss Watts, come out to me.
Will you come out?”

Girls:

“Oh, no! oh, no!

Boys:

“Naughty Miss Watts she won’t come out—
She won’t come out—she won’t come out;
Naughty Miss Watts she won’t come out.
To help us in our dancing.
Won’t you come out?”

Girls:

“Oh, yes! oh, yes!”[13]"...
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[Pancocojams Editor's Note] - "Dorset" is a shire (county) in southwest England.]

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Example #3a: Children's Songs and Games from the Southern Mountains



Jean Ritchie - Topic, Published on Nov 8, 2014

Provided to YouTube by The Orchard Enterprises

Two Dukes A-Riding · Jean Ritchie

Children's Songs and Games from the Southern Mountains

℗ 2004 Smithsonian Folkways Recordings / 1957 Folkways Records

Released on: 1957-01-01

Auto-generated by YouTube.

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Example #3b
From https://greatsong.net/PAROLES-JEAN-RITCHIE,TWO-DUKES-A-RIDING,102673666.html Paroles de Two Dukes A-Riding [Lyrics For Two Dukes A- Riding]

Children's Songs And Games From The Southern Mountains ALBUM

"Here comes two Dukes a-riding, a-riding, a-riding
Here comes two Dukes a-riding, ring tim-a-ding to my johnnie-o
Why do you ridin’ here for, here for, here for?
Why do you ridin’ here for? Ring tim-a-ding to my johnnie-o
Ridin’ here to get married, married, married
Ridin’ here to get married, ring tim-a-ding to my johnnie-o
Do you want any one of us, Sir, us Sir, us Sir?
Do you want any one of us, Sir? Ring tim-a-ding to my johnnie-o
You’re all too dirty and greasy, greasy, greasy
You’re all too dirty and greasy, ring tim-a-ding to my johnnie-o
We just as good as you are, you are, you are
We just as good as you are, ring tim-a-ding to my johnnie-o
Won’t have nobody but Mary, Mary, Mary
Won’t have nobody but Mary, ring tim-a-ding to my johnnie-o
Will you come? No!
Old dirty rag she won’t come out, she won’t come out, she won’t come out
Old dirty rag she won’t come out, ring tim-a-ding to my johnnie-o
Will you come? Yes!
Pretty little girl she will come out, she will come out, she will come out
Pretty little girl she will come out, ring tim-a-ding to my johnnie-o"

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Example #4: Here come three dukes a-riding - a traditional line game



Dany Rosevear, Published on Oct 4, 2016

For music, chords and how to play this as a game visit: http://www.singinggamesforchildren.com/A%20Cluster%202.2%20Awaywego/20%20Follow%20my%20leader%20and%20other%20games%201.htm

Here come three dukes a-riding,
A-riding, a-riding,
Here come three dukes a-riding,
With a rancy, tancy, tay!

What is your good will, sirs?
Will, sirs? will, sirs?
What is your good will, sirs?
With a rancy, tancy, tay!

Our good will is to marry,
To marry, marry,
Our good will is to marry,
With a rancy, tancy, tay!

You won’t get one of us, sirs,
Us, sirs, us, sirs,
You won’t get one of us, sirs,
With a rancy, tancy, tay!

You're all as stiff as pokers,
Pokers, pokers,
You're all as stiff as pokers,
With a rancy, tancy, tay!

We can bend as much as you, sirs,
You, sirs, you, sirs,
We can bend as much as you, sirs,
With a rancy, tancy, tay!

Through the kitchen and down the hall,
I choose the fairest of you all,
The fairest one that I can see
Is come along -------, and go with me.
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Game instructions from the website whose link is given above:
"A meet and greet line game. It is classed by the Opies as a match-making game.

This version came from the Ladybird book of Singing games with the ‘fat and dirty’ verse omitted and the final line changed to make it more gender neutral.

It original probably came from a game collected by Miss Burne in Shropshire in 1891.

Three children are chosen as ‘dukes’. The rest form a line facing a line of ‘dukes’. Each line advances, bows and retires in turn. On the ‘poker’ verse the line walks stiffly in a mocking manner. The other line bends and bows very low. For the last verse one child is chosen to join the line of ‘dukes’.

The game continues with the ‘dukes’ singing ‘Here come four dukes’ then ‘five’ until all children are ranged on one side."....

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Example #5:
From https://www.itma.ie/digital-library/sound/three_gipsies_riding_aughil_children
"Three gipsies riding, song
Aughil children, singing in English
ITMA Reference: 863-ITMA-MP3

Creator: Aughil children

Date: July 1969

Location: Aughill, Co. Derry

Subject: Ireland: Singing in English

Language: English

Collection: Hugh Shields Collection, HS 6918

Type: Sound

Format: MP3

Extent: 1 computer file (MP3 file, ca. 3 min.) : digital, stereo

Copyright: Shields Family

Roud Number: 2967


Lyrics
There came three gipsies riding
Riding, riding
There came three gipsies riding,
Y– O – U.

2
– What are you riding here for? &c.

3
– We’re riding here to marry one of you boys.

4
– Who would marry you boys?

5
– We’re just as good as you boys.

6
– Your knees are stiff as pokers.

7
– We can bend our knees as well as you boys.

8
– Where will your mother sleep?

9
– Her mother will sleep in her father’s bed.

10
– Where will your father sleep?

11
– Her father will sleep in the maid’s bed.

12
– Where will the maid sleep?

13
– The maid will sleep in the pigsty.

14
– Where will the pig sleep?

15
– The pig will sleep in the riverside.

16
– Where will you wash your clothes?

Notes
A few sessions with Magilligan children made clear that they practise a wide range of traditional game songs and rhymes. ‘Three gipsies riding’ is anything but rare: dukes, the duke, a Jew, a duck, a king or a mere young man are alternatives to gipsies all over Britain and Ireland. What is unusual in print is the combination of this game with another, ‘Milking pails’, to which v. 8–16 belong. Yet the combination was noted long ago in Berkshire and must be widespread: Gomme I 388.

The children played and sang uncertainly. ‘Three dukes riding’ is traditionally a courtship game while ‘Milking pails’ in its full form enacts a mother-child relationship

–Mother, will you buy me a pair of milking-cans?
– But where shall I get the money from? &c.

Most versions end with punishment of the children’s glee at the prospect of ‘mother’ falling into the river. The composite verses have perhaps synthecized courtship and chastisement in a mock battle. ‘Three gipsies riding’ is also known in Magilligan without ‘Milking pails’ (DE, perhaps F) and in this form ends in a fight:

‘. . . then the others said that they were just as clean as you, sir, and then at the end they all started to fight, and the gipsies ran away’ – Gracie Butcher 6918."
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magilligan
"Magilligan (from Irish: Ard Mhic Giollagáin, meaning "Magilligan's height"[1]) is a peninsula that lies in the northwest of County Londonderry, Northern Ireland, at the entrance to Lough Foyle."...

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Two Examples Of The African American Children's Singing Game "Johnny Cuckoo" (By Bessie Jones & By Joan Baez)

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This is Part III of an ongoing pancocojams series on African American versions of the English children's singing game "Two Dukes A-Riding".

Part III presents my thoughts about the meanings of the words "Johnny Cuckoo" in the African American singing game with that name. Part III also showcases a text (word only) example and a YouTube video of the singing game "Johnny Cuckoo" as sung by Bessie Jones and children from St. Simon's Island, Georgia along with a YouTube sound file and lyrics for a version of "Johnny Cuckoo" as sung by Joan Baez.

The Addendum to Part III presents an article excerpt about Black men in the United States Civil War's Union army and Black men in the Confederate army.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/08/african-american-versions-of-english.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. Part I presents excerpts from two Mudcat folk music discussion threads: "Help: johnny cockaroo" [comments from 2008, 2009] and "Lyr Req: Playground songs" [one singing game example which I collected in 1992 and posted on that forum in 2007].

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/08/five-examples-of-two-dukes-riding.html for Part II presents text (word only) examples of and sound files for a few versions of the children's singing game "Two Dukes A-Riding" (or other titles for versions of that singing game.)

Part IV repeats my thoughts about the meanings of the words "Johnny Cuckoo" that are found in Part III of this series. Part IV also presents an excerpt from the record notes for the album Been In The Storm Too Long and lyrics for a South Carolina version of the "Johnny Cuckoo" singing game that was sung by Janie Hunter.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE - WHAT I THINK THE THE WORDS "JOHNNY CUCKOO" MEAN IN THE SINGING GAME WITH THAT NAME
I believe that the African American children's singing game "Johnny Cuckoo" is an adaptation of the United Kingdom children's singing game "Two Dukes A-Riding". The words for certain verses (such as "you look to black and dirty"/"I'm just as good as you are"), and the two horizontal line formations indicate the connections between these two singing games. One difference between these two singing games is that "Dukes A-Riding" is a "courting" game (the Dukes are seeking a woman to marry) while "Johnny Cuckoo" is an "army enlistment" game (the Johnny Cuckoos want to be accepted as soldiers in an [un-named] army).

My assumption is that this singing game was probably created in the Southern region of the United States by Black people shortly after the end of the Civil War.

My position is that the name "Johnny" in the referent "Johnny Cuckoo" probably was partly lifted from "Johnny Reb", a common nickname for Rebel soldiers and partly lifted from the name of the herbal mojo root that Black folks called "John the Conqueror" and the folk hero who was named after that root.

The word "cuckoo" means "crazy". I wonder if the word "cuckoo" was purposely chosen to convey one or both of these hidden in plain sight messages:
1. that some Black people and many non-Black people in those days might consider a Black person who wanted to be a soldier in the (Rebel?) army as being crazy.

2. that some Black people and many non-Black people then (and even now) may consider Black people to be crazy if they/we had/have strong positive self-esteem.

Be that as it may, I think it's most likely that the word "cuckoo" developed by folk processing from the mojo root and folk character "John The Conqueror". Here's some information about "John The Conqueror" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Conqueror
"John the Conqueror, also known as High John de Conqueror, John, Jack, and many other folk variants, is a folk hero from African-American folklore. He is associated with a certain root, the John the Conqueror root, or John the Conqueroo, to which magical powers are ascribed in American folklore, especially among the hoodoo tradition of folk magic. Muddy Waters mentions him as Johnny Cocheroo pronounced Johnny Conqueroo in the songs, "Mannish Boy" and "I'm Your Hoochie Coochie Man". In "Mannish Boy" the line is "I think I'll go down/To old Kansas too/I'm gonna bring back my second cousin/That little Johnny Conqueroo", and in "I'm Your Hoochie Coochie Man" it is called "John De Conquer Blue".

Folk hero
Sometimes, John is an African prince who was sold as a slave in the Americas. Despite his enslavement, his spirit was never broken. He survived in folklore as reluctant folk hero, a sort of trickster figure, because of the tricks he played to evade those who played tricks on him. Joel Chandler Harris's Br'er Rabbit of the Uncle Remus stories is a similar archetype to that of High John the Conqueror, out doing those who would do him in. Zora Neale Hurston wrote of his adventures ("High John de Conquer") in her collection of folklore, The Sanctified Church."...
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I don't think that Black children who played Johnny Cuckoo" were echoing their fathers' or uncles' or older brothers' desires to be part of the Confederate army*. My position is that whoever created this "Dukes A-Riding" adaptation did so for two reasons:
1. to provide opportunities for creative dramatic play :with accompanying hand clapping and dance

2. to help Black children develop and reinforce positive self-esteem and coping mechanism when they encountered people who believed that they weren't as good as "other" people.

Contrast my interpretation of the "you look all black and dirty" and "I'm just as good as you are" with my interpretation of those same words in "Two Dukes A Riding" songs (given in the comment section below).
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*Read a brief excerpt from an online article about Black Confederates in the Addendum below.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO - Little Sally Walker Bessie Jones



ichagall, Published on Apr 20, 2010

Little Sally Walker Bessie Jones
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The "Johnny Cuckoo" singing game begins at 3:28 in this video.

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LYRICS: JOHNNY CUCKOO
(as sung by Bessie Jones)

1st verse:
Here comes one Johnny Cuckoo
Cuckoo; Cuckoo
Here comes one Johnny Cuckoo
On a cold and stormy night

2nd verse:
What did you come for
Come for
Come (here) for
What did you come for
On a cold and stormy night

3rd verse:
I come for me (We come for us)
A soldier, soldier,
I come for me (We come for us)
A soldier
On a cold and stormy night

You look too black and dirty
Dirty dirty
You look too black and dirty
On a cold and stormy night

5th verse sung by Johnny Cuckoo/s
I'm (We're) just as good* as you are
You are. You are.
I'm (We're) just as good as you are
On a cold and stormy night

* sometimes given as "just as clean as you are"
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The song immediately repeats from the beginning with the first Johnny Cuckoo picking another player to act the role of the second Johnny Cuckoo along with her. The group sings "Here comes two Johnny Cuckoos etc

This continues with multiple Johnny Cuckoos until the game ends.

Source: Bessie Jones, Bess Hawes Lomax: Step It Down: Games, Plays, Songs & Stories from the Afro-American Heritage.

The singing game "Johnny Cuckoo" is also included as as #10 on the 3rd CD of A Musical Journey From The Georgia Sea Islands To The Mississippi Delta, edited by Alan Lomax; 1993 Atlantic Recording

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PERFORMANCE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE SINGING GAME "JOHNNY CUCKOO"*
One person in the group (male or female) plays the role of “Johnny Cuckoo”. The rest of the group stands in a horizontal line some distance from the girl but facing her. The group perform individual hand claps [clap their own hands) to the beat while singing this song.

“Johnny Cuckoo” starts strutting/marching toward this line when the group sings the first and second line verses. Sometimes the Johnny Cuckoo appears to stand in the same spot but moving like she is strutting (or marching) back and forth.

Everyone sings the entire song although technically the third (and 5th verse) is supposed to be Johnny Cuckoo singing alone.

All of the players in the line turn their backs on the "Johnny Cuckoo/s and switch their hips to the rhythm.

There is a significant increase in the speed of the singing in the 4th first as the group sing and perform a double offbeat clap.

The line turns around again and keeping the same tempo the Johnny Cuckoo turns away from the group and does the same hip swinging dance while clapping his or her hands.

Johnny Cuckoo begins strutting/ marching until he or she reaches the line and arbitrarily picks someone to be the second Johnny Cuckoo with her.

The song immediately repeats from the beginning with the group singing "Here comes two Johnny Cuckoos etc

This continues with multiple Johnny Cuckoos until everyone is a Johnny Cuckoo.
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*This is my description of the performance of this singing game, although these directions borrow heavily from the instructions that are given in the Bessie Jones & Bess Hawes Lomax book Step It Down.

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SHOWCASE SOUND FILE - Joan Baez Johnny Cuckoo



bbaaeezz, Published on Feb 27, 2011

Joan Baez - Johnny Cuckoo

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LYRICS - JOHNNY CUCKOO
(as sung by Joan Baez)

"Here comes one Johnny cuckoo
Cuckoo,cuckoo
Here comes one Johnny Cuckoo
On a cold and stormy night

What did you come for
Come for,come for?
What did you come for
On a cold and stormy night?

I come to be a soldier
Soldier,soldier
I come to be a soldier
On a cold and stormy night

You are too black and dirty
Dirty,dirty
You are too black and dirty
On a cold and stormy night

I'm just as good as you are
You are,you are
I'm just as good as you are
On a cold and stormy night"


Source: https://genius.com/Joan-baez-johnny-cuckoo-lyrics.

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ADDENDUM
From https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/black-confederates Black Confederates: Truth and Legend By Sam Smith
..."Many Southern slaves took advantage of the fog of war to escape towards freedom. Before the Emancipation Proclamation was officially adopted, these escapes usually meant congregating around the Union armies that were operating in Southern territory. Vast columns of escaped slaves followed almost every major Union army at one point or another. These people, sometimes called “contrabands,” as in “confiscated enemy property,” frequently served as scouts and spies for the Union soldiers.

When the Emancipation Proclamation took effect on January 1, 1863, Union forces had regained control of large swaths of the South. Although many now claim that the Proclamation was effectively useless because it established policy for a foreign nation, the practical reality is that the Union, by force of arms, had every necessary power to establish policy in its occupied territories, just as Confederate armies exercised their power to capture and enslave free black people during their brief occupations of Northern territories.

After the Proclamation, the refugees in the contraband camps, along with free black people throughout the North, began to enlist in the Union Army in even greater proportion than Northern white men. After some time in legal limbo, many Southern black men took up arms against their former masters and distinguished themselves on campaign and on the battlefield. By the time the war was over, black soldiers made up 10% of the Union Army and had suffered more than 10,000 combat casualties.

Some black Southerners aided the Confederacy. Most of these were forced to accompany their masters or were forced to toil behind the lines. Black men were not legally allowed to serve as combat soldiers in the Confederate Army--they were cooks, teamsters, and manual laborers. There were no black Confederate combat units in service during the war and no documentation whatsoever exists for any black man being paid or pensioned as a Confederate soldier, although some did receive pensions for their work as laborers. Nevertheless, the black servants and the Confederate soldiers formed bonds in the shared crucible of conflict, and many servants later attended regimental reunions with their wartime comrades.

This is not to say that no black man ever fired a gun for the Confederacy. To be specific, in the “Official Records of the War of the Rebellion,” a collection of military records from both sides which spans more than 50 volumes and more than 50,000 pages, there are a total of seven Union eyewitness reports of black Confederates. Three of these reports mention black men shooting at Union soldiers, one report mentions capturing a handful of armed black men along with some soldiers, and the other three reports mention seeing unarmed black laborers. There is no record of Union soldiers encountering an all-black line of battle or anything close to it."...

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An Example Of The Singing Game "Johnny Cuckoo" As Sung By Janie Hunter

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This is Part IV of an ongoing pancocojams series on African American versions of the English children's singing game "Two Dukes A-Riding".

Part IV presents an excerpt from the record notes for the album Been In The Storm Too Long and lyrics for a South Carolina version of the "Johnny Cuckoo" singing game that was sung by Janie Hunter. A link to a sound file for that version of "Johnny Cuckoo" is also included in that post.

Part IV also includes information about the Gullah culture that is documented as the original site of examples of the singing game "Johnny Cuckoo". (Visit Part III for a more widely known example of "Johnny Cuckoo" from the Gullah culture.)

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/08/african-american-versions-of-english.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. Part I presents excerpts from two Mudcat folk music discussion threads: "Help: johnny cockaroo" [comments from 2008, 2009] and "Lyr Req: Playground songs" [one singing game example which I collected in 1992 and posted on that forum in 2007].

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/08/five-examples-of-two-dukes-riding.html for Part II presents text (word only) examples of and sound files for a few versions of the children's singing game "Two Dukes A-Riding" (or other titles for versions of that singing game.)

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/08/two-examples-of-african-american_5.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. Part III presents my thoughts about the meanings of the words "Johnny Cuckoo" in the African American singing game with that name. Part III also showcases a text (word only) example and a YouTube video of the singing game "Johnny Cuckoo" as sung by Bessie Jones and children from St. Simon's Island, Georgia along with a YouTube sound file and lyrics for a version of "Johnny Cuckoo" as sung by Joan Baez.

The Addendum to Part III presents an article excerpt about Black men in the United States Civil War's Union army and Black men in the Confederate army.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, cultural, recreational, and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Janie Hunter and all those who are quoted in this post.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
The record note excerpt given below identifies this showcased example of this singing game as being from Johns Island off the coast of South Carolina.

Another example of "Johnny Cuckoo" that is featured in Part III of this pancocojams series is from St. Simon's Island, Georgia.

Both of these examples are from Gullah people in the United States. Here's some information about the Gullah culture:
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullah
"The Gullah are African Americans who live in the Lowcountry region of the U.S. states of Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina, in both the coastal plain and the Sea Islands. They developed a creole language, the Gullah language, and a culture rich in African influences that makes them distinctive among African Americans.

Historically, the Gullah region extended from the Cape Fear area on North Carolina's coast south to the vicinity of Jacksonville on Florida's coast. Today, the Gullah area is confined to the Georgia and South Carolina Lowcountry. The Gullah people and their language are also called Geechee, which may be derived from the name of the Ogeechee River near Savannah, Georgia.[1] Gullah is a term that was originally used to designate the creole dialect of English spoken by Gullah and Geechee people. Over time, its speakers have used this term to formally refer to their creole language and distinctive ethnic identity as a people. The Georgia communities are distinguished by identifying as either "Freshwater Geechee" or "Saltwater Geechee", depending on whether they live on the mainland or the Sea Islands.[2][3][4][5]

Because of a period of relative isolation from whites while working on large plantations in rural areas, the Africans, drawn from a variety of Central and West African ethnic groups, developed a creole culture that has preserved much of their African linguistic and cultural heritage from various peoples; in addition, they absorbed new influences from the region."...

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RECORD NOTES AND LYRICS FOR "JOHNNY CUCKOO" SINGING GAME
From https://media.smithsonianfolkways.org/liner_notes/folkways/FW03842.pdf
BEEN IN THE STORM SO LONG

"JOHNS ISLAND, SOUTH CAROLINA/RECORD BY GUY CARAWAN/PHOTOS BY ROBERT YElLIN
SPIRITUALS & SHOUTS, CHILDREN'S GAME SONGS, AND FOLKTALES
Side I: Side II:
1. Talking 'Bout a Good Time 1. Down on Me
2. That's All Right 2. Reborn Again
3. Jesus Knows All About My Troubles 3. Row, Michael, Row
4. Talk 4. Johnny Cuckoo
5. Lay Down Body 5. Old Lady Come from Booster
6. I'm Gonna Sit at the Welcome Table & Prayer 6. Shoo Turkey
7. Been in the Storm So Long 7. Mr. Postman Die
8. Water My Fl~ers
9. The Rabbit and the Partridge '
10. Jack and Mary and the Devil

FOLKWAYS RECORDS Album No. FS 3842 Library of Congress Card Number: R67-3095
© 1967 by Folkways Records & Service Corp., 701 Seventh Ave. ,New York, N. Y. 10036, USA
Distributed by Folkways/Scholastic Records, Englewood CliffS, N.J.

[page] 2
INTRODUCTION
BEEN IN THE STORM SO LONG
The people you hear on this record live on Johns Island -- one of the sea islands just off the coast of South Carolina. The record was made to accompany a book about these people -- a folk-life study of a southern rural Negro community. Ain't You Got a Right to the Tree of Life? is available from the Simon & Schuster Publishing Co.

The oldest forms of Negro folk life still alive today in the United States are to be found in the sea islands. These low flat islands, covered with swampy marshes, rich farm land, and forests of live oaks draped with Spanish moss, have only had bridges and causeways built to them from the mainland since about 1930. Some of them are still only accessible by boat. Because of their relative isolation from the cross-currents of modern life, the sea islands have preserved many aspects of the old slave culture, including the Gullah dialect, the old spirituals and style of Singing them, their own folk version of Christianity and "praise house" form of worship, folk tales and beliefs.

Most of these people are very poor and have large families. They work primarily as domestics and field hands. Some of them have to go into the nearest city, Charleston, for work since there is little opportunity to make a living on the island. Though there is a very low level of literacy among the older generation there is a rich oral tradition of folk expression.

Central to this tradition is Moving Star Hall. This is the gathering place for the older people. Here each person expresses himself in sermon, song, testimony and prayer. Moving Star Hall is also an organization for visiting the sick and burying the dead. The small clapboard building has been up since 1917 but the praise house form of worship and the burial society go back much further in time. A small group of Singers from Moving Star Hall have now travelled to northern folk festivals and concert halls.

I first went to Johns Island in 1959 to work with an adult literacy program and to record some of the music. I returned each winter and finally moved I nto the Negro community around Moving Star Hall with my wife and son and stayed for two years. During those years we gathered on tape many hours of life experience, songs, tales, children's games, much wisdom and wit. This record is only a small sample. I would suggest that anyone really interested in the area get the book, Ain't You Got a Right to the Tree of Life. There is also an earlier record from Johns Island: Sea Island Folk Festival, Folkways No. FS 3841.

Guy Carawan, Furnace Dock Road
Peekskill, New York

(Thanks to Simon & Schuster for permission to reprint text used in the book and photographs taken by Robert Yellin.)


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SIDE II - 4
[page] 12
Jane Hunter:
JOHNNY CUCKOO
This is a children's song that our mothers taught us when we was growing up. In the afternoon we finish our work then we go in the yard and play ring
plays. And the sound is like this:

Here's one Johnny Cuckoo on a rainy day my
darling,
Is one Johnny Cuckoo on a bright starry night.
Please tell me where you come from on a rainy day my darling,
Please tell me where you come from on a bright starry night.
I come for my baby on a rainy day my darling,
I come for my baby on a bright starry night.
Oh, you look too black and dirty, dirty, dirty,
You look too black and dirty
Chuck 'em in the coffee pot.


This is a game. When you clap, then the kids do a dance you call a Charleston by it."

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LINK TO A SOUND FILE FOR JANIE HUNTER'S VERSION OF "JOHNNY CUCKOO"
From https://folkways.si.edu/janie-hunter/johnny-cuckoo/african-american-music-african-american-spoken-american-folk-childrens-gospel/music/track/smithsonian

Track Info
ALBUM: Been in the Storm So Long: A Collection of Spirituals, Folk Tales and Children's Games from Johns Island, SC
YEAR RELEASED: 1990
CATALOG NUMBER: SFW40031_121
DISC / TRACK NUMBER 1 / 21
DURATION: 1:03
COUNTRY(S): United States
CULTURE GROUP(S): Gullah
LANGUAGE(S): English"
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Unfortunately, this sound file is very brief and I've not been able to find a longer example online.

I've not heard this complete song whose tune is different from the more widely known version of "Johnny Cuckoo" that is sung by Bessie Jones and sung by Joan Baez.

The tempo of this Janie Hunter version is also slower than the above mentioned examples and has no hand clapping accompaniment (in the brief audio file).

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